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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:38:42 PM   
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OUCH!  *takes ravn to be tested for SRA*

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:39:10 PM   
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Cause I'm bossy lol.....


Maybe, but you're also flexible.. now.. bend over.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:39:51 PM   
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Thanks for the break in the tension level. With that I'm going to bed. I will look forward to reading any new posts tomorrow. I do enjoy a good debate - keeps the blood pumping. Unfortunately I already lost enough blood today so I'm done for now. Til tomorrow.


Good night, Jude *smiles*

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:41:16 PM   
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Cause I'm bossy lol.....


Maybe, but you're also flexible.. now.. bend over.

Celeste


You first lol

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:50:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Well that at least answers one question, who wrote it.  I hadn't heard of this book or books so I tried Googling it of course and checking with B&N and came up with nothing.  So I'm assuming you haven't published.  That said, let me split my remarks.



Click the link under my <sig> and then you will see the Bry Klashaan pill. The excerpts are there.
 
I am finishing the section on Honor and then it will be ready to publish... post edit.
 
Now if you look over my site you will see the fantasy setting it derived. It is a fantasy-setting yes. However, I have looked at the inequities I have found in BDSM and compiled them into a structure that, IMO, is worthy of anyone in a M/s relationship. The fantasy setting is incorporated into life practice by attire. And just like, unfortunately, the bitch cant wear her leather and latex as she works the counter at the DMV, so too those who practice Klashaan have to utilize their attire in the privacy of their home or in scene. Typically, Klashaan meetings are camp outs and cookouts, it lures us from the dungeon and gets us a bit closer to nature. If you would like to scrutinize it (which I have no problem with)  with an informed opinion mail me your "proper" e-mail addy and I will send you a copy.


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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:56:15 PM   
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Well that at least answers one question, who wrote it.  I hadn't heard of this book or books so I tried Googling it of course and checking with B&N and came up with nothing.  So I'm assuming you haven't published.  That said, let me split my remarks.

First, my compliments on taking the time and effort to write a book at all.  As an author I can appreciate the investment on your part that represents.  I'd encourage you to try having it published.  There are so many options these days and so many publishers you might be surprised at how easy it is.  You made the effort, you might as well see if you can earn something from it.  Publishing electronically is the easiest way to go and if you want I can probably recommend an electronic publisher that handles erotic literature.

That said... while I can admire the effort, and I might even enjoy the fiction, its using it as a basis for a lifestyle I'm critical of.  I think I covered that fairly well in a previous post so I won't rehash it.  Given that you are a dominant in the lifestyle I'm a little less skeptical about it, but even still, it just strikes me as being a very... irrational, thing to do.

And you are right, there is something of making fantasies into reality in all of what we do.  But my point is how we go about it.  To me, its one thing to take the idea of say... owning another person as a slave within the context of a relationship, and then finding a way in the real world to make that a practical and functional reality; versus taking a work of fiction and then creating a fictional society based on it which to me sounds like moving further away from reality, rather than closer to it.  That's been one of my long standing criticims about Gor... and no it isn't true of all Goreans, but there are those who literally do live completely in a fantasy world.  And its not surprising considering Gor began as a fantasy world, it is simply going to attract that element to it.  I would predict Klashaan would face a similar problem if it were to be made into a society like Gor has.  Now if that problem can somehow be addressed early on... that would be interesting to see.


Loki's book is not what I would classify as erotic literature. It is much more like a 'how to' for the culture he has presented. It's not even a story per se. For those to whom it speaks, it is completely based in reality.. as in, the ideas and concepts are very doable without ever having to leave the planet drink something strange or ride big birds. The 'fiction' part comes into play with the language of the people who practice it and the premise upon which the language is based. While the 'culture' and language fictional, the practice is entirely doable because they are all real life and already being done for the most part. It's a guide on how to incorporate it into one's own life.. and it's not ready for publication. IMO, there is still much work for Loki to do before it's complete. But the outline is there, it's workable and for those to whom it speaks, it's incredible without being fantastic.. fantastic as in a complete fantasy. On Gor a slave is called kajira.. Loki's culture takes place on Earth, in the here and now, with ideas and concepts which can be embraced by modern society, both men and women and slaves are not called kajira. There are levels one can attain in their slavery, so specific goals which can be met, with each goal being 'more' than the one before it until you attain the peak of your craft. It teaches in a process, with one step following the next.. you don't lose the knowledge you have already gained, you add to it, thereby enhancing what you already are. The reality is, Loki could completely rid the work of the 'fiction' and have an extrodinary and viable guide to slave training that could be embraced by anyone with the notion to do so. The fiction makes it more beautiful for the language, but it's not the 'meat' of the work.. it's the gravy.

Anyway.. that's how I see it.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 7:59:45 PM   
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Oh... thank you Celeste... I am going to get this... whatever was in my eye out now.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 8:00:02 PM   
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I still have no idea what this lifestyle is.

If your going to advertise something you shoudl have a good source of information to help sell the people.


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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 8:02:50 PM   
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 *points back up to post #45 and then down to the link under the <sig> *

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 8:36:43 PM   
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Tal, greetings, Hello, etc
 
Excuse this Gorean but is this not the name of the group in England that made the papers recently,  Klashaan? If I am wrong, forgive me.  Just so everyone knows the Klashaan are a group of Pirates that operated on the Vosk River in Gor out of Port Cos, if I am not mistaken.  Nothing is really known about them, they are like so many societies mentioned in passing.  
 
Now the English group that got in the papers to what I have read became to topic of papers that seem to baddly need to increase their cirulation.  No criminal charges were filed and all involved were consenting adults. 
 
Now to clear up a few things on these threads. There are kajira (female slaves) and kajiru (male slaves) on Gor,  if you are a from the North, The Troveslanders call them bondsmaid and thralls.  Yes, Gor in there City/States do have Free Woman who are Leaders, the are called Tatrix.  Now as to Mistress Jude ambishes plans.  I have been judged by many for what I believe, both in the BDSM and Vanilla Worlds.  I will not do so to Mistress Jude in her goals, I will support them.  Now that should be a surprise to many.  Good Luck to You Mistress Jude, if it happens please send me an invitation to visit.
 
I wish you well
 
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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 8:59:34 PM   
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I just finished searching all the Gor books and cannot find a "Klashaan" reference. If you have it cite it. As for the group you reference, again if you have it cite it.
 
Thanks

Found that "in the news" you referenced. It is the Koatian sect

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 9:35:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

Do you get some sort of commission for setting up these little fetish Tupperware parties??


LOL!

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 9:41:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag

That's okay, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what exactly it is causes some people to feel a need to build a lifestyle around fiction.  Whether its Gor or Klaashan or Klingons or Barsoom or what have you... I don't get it.  To me this is a bit like assuming just because someone was a member of the SCA they're equivalent to a PhD in Medieval Studies; or just because someone plays paint ball on weekends that they are equivalent to a special forces soldier.  Its fiction folks.  If you want to develop a lifestyle, why not base it on real life, real research, reality in general.  Color me a pragmatist, but I just don't see the logic behind building relationships, communities and a lifestyle around any work of fiction. 

Maybe I should just write my own series of books.


Padriag,

That was an exact and very well articulated match of my sentiments on the matter. Well said.


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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 10:52:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos


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ORIGINAL: Padriag

That's okay, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what exactly it is causes some people to feel a need to build a lifestyle around fiction.  Whether its Gor or Klaashan or Klingons or Barsoom or what have you... I don't get it.  To me this is a bit like assuming just because someone was a member of the SCA they're equivalent to a PhD in Medieval Studies; or just because someone plays paint ball on weekends that they are equivalent to a special forces soldier.  Its fiction folks.  If you want to develop a lifestyle, why not base it on real life, real research, reality in general.  Color me a pragmatist, but I just don't see the logic behind building relationships, communities and a lifestyle around any work of fiction. 

Maybe I should just write my own series of books.


Padriag,

That was an exact and very well articulated match of my sentiments on the matter. Well said.


I started a notestream a while back called "Why Gor?" with just about this same question. (http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=169419)  There were a number of interesting responses.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 11:29:01 PM   
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Excuse this Gorean but is this not the name of the group in England that made the papers recently,  Klashaan? If I am wrong, forgive me.  Just so everyone knows the Klashaan are a group of Pirates that operated on the Vosk River in Gor out of Port Cos, if I am not mistaken.  Nothing is really known about them, they are like so many societies mentioned in passing.   
 


Actually, the group in England are known as Kaotians.

BBC NEWS | UK | Officers discover sex-slave cult

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/21/2006 11:36:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
I started a notestream a while back called "Why Gor?" with just about this same question. (http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=169419)  There were a number of interesting responses.


That certainly was an interesting read, and your opening post brought up a very insightful question about reality-based cultures. Thanks for the link.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 12:30:56 AM   
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I am going to chime in here in agreement with Celeste
that the book is a very structured and well defined training
system for full time slavery.
 
I quite enjoy the fiction and the language of the book.
But to anyone who knows Me, that should come as no
surprise, since My undergraduate work was in Spanish,
French and Italian.  The imagination aspect makes the
work come alive and provides each Klashaan household
with creative and constructive ideas.
 
Yours in Kink,
 
Vendaval Lazuli

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Loki's culture takes place on Earth, in the here and now, with ideas and concepts which can be embraced by modern society, both men and women and slaves are not called kajira. There are levels one can attain in their slavery, so specific goals which can be met, with each goal being 'more' than the one before it until you attain the peak of your craft. It teaches in a process, with one step following the next.. you don't lose the knowledge you have already gained, you add to it, thereby enhancing what you already are. The reality is, Loki could completely rid the work of the 'fiction' and have an extrodinary and viable guide to slave training that could be embraced by anyone with the notion to do so. The fiction makes it more beautiful for the language, but it's not the 'meat' of the work.. it's the gravy.

Anyway.. that's how I see it.

Celeste


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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 12:37:33 AM   
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Tal and Greetings Master Nosathro,
 
Thank you for you kind words.  I am assisting as the proof-reader
and editor for this work since school is finally wrapping up for
the semester.  I have already sent out messages about setting up
a Bry Klashaan Community on the West Cost to several friends.
 
Peace and Light,
 
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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 1:29:36 AM   
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One might say the very same thing about any book of faith.. .there certainly are many works of fiction and fantasy in just about every book of  religion with a creationist theory that I have ever studied.


This is great!  You're working down a checklist, right? How to offend the greatest number in the shortest time?

I do so love to see a true artist in action!

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 1:41:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: becca333

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ORIGINAL: puella

One might say the very same thing about any book of faith.. .there certainly are many works of fiction and fantasy in just about every book of  religion with a creationist theory that I have ever studied.


This is great!  You're working down a checklist, right? How to offend the greatest number in the shortest time?

I do so love to see a true artist in action!


Reality tends to offend those that wish to ignore it. You don't think it is a coincidence that religious texts are kept in the same area as books on mythology in public libraries, do you?

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