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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 1:47:14 AM

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I've got no interest in this, it's not my thing. But I admire any group who define their ideals and then try to live by them - whether it's religion, kink, ecological warriors, sea-changers, trainspotters, bird watchers, soccer mums, farmers, or anything else.

Live the dream, and ignore all the misery-guts!

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 1:49:27 AM

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Damn, I think I'm channelling Boadicea again.

Nurse! Increase the dosage!

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 5:18:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: puella

Firstly... I am not Gorean.

But secondly.. how completely rude of you to wipe an entire ethos with one brush... have you read all the Gor books? They do not espouse narrow- mindedness.... There are of course, people who are narrow minded.. but let me assure you that perspective is not consigned to Gor.

The concepts of Natural Order and Natural Selection appeal to many... Those are the concepts of the books you just called narrow minded...

I think it is very narrow minded of you to relegate an entire group of people to negativity.

Just a thought.

Speaking as a Dominant female their *Natural Order* is repugnent and groundless. Also I've been on the recieving end of *bashing* from some of these people, told Im not a real woman because Im not down on my knees sucking some apemans cock. So do I look upon some of them negatively? Yes I do, because I've seen how they treat female Dominants and male subs. They treat male subs like DIRT. I know my sub is an Ex-Gorean Master, the friends he had in the Gorean lifestyle no longer recognize him as even living.

My two cents

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 5:27:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressJude

Actually, yes I have read them. They were, in fact my first introduction to BDSM and slavery. And you're correct - it's not narrow-mindedness, per se. That was a poor choice of words made in a rush. It's not that I disagree with the lifestyle, the books, or those who take on the role of Gorean. There is much in there that I do admire. It was the - perhaps narrow defination, is better - that I want to express is not involved in this new group. Where Gor is rigidly set with men being dominant and women - even free women still needing to defer to a male, this group is open to women who are dominant and do not seek to find their inner slave.

Secondly - you need not get so pissy. A simple rebuttal is enough - I am more than willing to accept my lack of proper phrasing when I make it.

The only thing I am going to take issue here Jude seeing that you corrected your earlier statement is you use and I immagine the presumption of the word Role. Whilst there are people who role play Gor on line and there are even those who attempt to assume the role of Gorean in their BDSM Lifestyle, there are those who live a Gorean Lifestyle. For those of us who do, we do not assume the role or mantle of a Gorean person as it suits us it is part of what we are and it is in our hearts and being.... Other than that, I have no issues with what you have said or are doing....No one has to either like or accept what we are and do or live our lives for it is true that the Gorean Lifestyle is for very few.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 9:39:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

The only thing I am going to take issue here Jude seeing that you corrected your earlier statement is you use and I immagine the presumption of the word Role. Whilst there are people who role play Gor on line and there are even those who attempt to assume the role of Gorean in their BDSM Lifestyle, there are those who live a Gorean Lifestyle. For those of us who do, we do not assume the role or mantle of a Gorean person as it suits us it is part of what we are and it is in our hearts and being.... Other than that, I have no issues with what you have said or are doing....No one has to either like or accept what we are and do or live our lives for it is true that the Gorean Lifestyle is for very few.

I mean you or any other Gorean (or person in general) offense when I refer to the term 'role.' I actually feel, to an extent, we all take on a role in life and this lifestyle. In some way, perhaps small or perhaps vast, we are different when at work as opposed to at home. We're different amongst friends than around family. We wear masks as we smile at the idiot who it is our job to help but we secretly want to knock in the head for asking the same question a million times. As such - we take on a role. As a Gorean that is a role. As a klashaan that is a role. As a dominant, as a submissive, maste,r slave - whatever - all roles.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 12:21:30 PM

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: MistressJude

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

The only thing I am going to take issue here Jude seeing that you corrected your earlier statement is you use and I immagine the presumption of the word Role. Whilst there are people who role play Gor on line and there are even those who attempt to assume the role of Gorean in their BDSM Lifestyle, there are those who live a Gorean Lifestyle. For those of us who do, we do not assume the role or mantle of a Gorean person as it suits us it is part of what we are and it is in our hearts and being.... Other than that, I have no issues with what you have said or are doing....No one has to either like or accept what we are and do or live our lives for it is true that the Gorean Lifestyle is for very few.

I mean you or any other Gorean (or person in general) offense when I refer to the term 'role.' I actually feel, to an extent, we all take on a role in life and this lifestyle. In some way, perhaps small or perhaps vast, we are different when at work as opposed to at home. We're different amongst friends than around family. We wear masks as we smile at the idiot who it is our job to help but we secretly want to knock in the head for asking the same question a million times. As such - we take on a role. As a Gorean that is a role. As a klashaan that is a role. As a dominant, as a submissive, maste,r slave - whatever - all roles.

Greetings Jude,

Here I must disagree, you use the examples that we have different “roles” in life such as the face we wear at home differs to the face we wear at work or we smile at an idiot instead of belting him on the head. Yes we do these things yet we are still the same person. You as a Dominant are still a Dominant irrespective where you are. Only your behavior may change according to the circumstances. No matter where I am I am still the Dominant, the Gorean Master, the Healer, the Combat Officer (read also Body Guard etc), Aristocrat and Priest. These are all as much a part of me as is my living and breathing. At no time do I remove them. All that does happen is that each one may be more pronounced according to where I am and what I am doing.. Role you refer o is what happens when I at a combat range and need to “Pretend” that I an in a hot zone and potentially under fire or when I get into medieval gear to role play with a medieval group for examples. If I am working with a client or patient as a Psych Counselor or Therapist, I simply allow what is needed of my being to suit the task on the surface although my whole being is involved, not as a “Role”, but is an integral part of me….

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 12:33:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressJude This is a serious 24/7/365 lifestyle and works on a system of SLAVERY - NOT being a sassy sub.

Oh! Well in that case... Yeah, go ahead and count me out.

I love how some people assume that being a sub isn't serious business, and that not being a slave somehow equates with being sassy. I'm sassy and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with my orientation.

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From there we will arrange a meeting date that is best for the majority. During those meetings we will begin presenting the lifestyle in LESSONS. This is where Dom and sub alike become students. If it becomes an issue where Dom/mes feel uncomfortable in a learning situation in front of subs we can see about arranging separate get-togethers. At this time the meetings will be held Once A Month.

Ah, finally someone has perfected the art of learning BDSM. You'll make a fortune. It must be so nice to have all the answers.

"Be a perfect dom/me, top, sub, bottom, slave in just four easy lessons!*"

*Only ten payments of $29.95. Accepting certified check, Visa or Mastercard.

Edited to add: Ok, before anyone jumps my case, I knew what she meant, but no one escapes the evily cynical claws of Michelle that easily.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 2:35:53 PM

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I must admit that I am beyond disappointed with the truculent nature in which the offer has been received. I had expected at the very least for people to ask questions and, now it seems like a stretch, to skim over what is being presented before forming a negative opinion about what MistressJude is offering. I will make a few points for the system even though Celeste and her Master have read it and she added her opinion (thank you Celeste), I will clarify a few things.

Klashaan is a system that:
Promotes community regardless of distance.
Holds Dom/mes and slaves accountable for their actions.
Offers an etiquette, protocol, and code of honor for Dom/mes and slaves.
Polices its self for abusers and other undesirables.
Offers status and achievement for both M & s.
Offers a method of practice that can be utilized in public and keep your lifestyle privet.
Allows the community to caste themselves by occupation and allows a subtle system of recognition for all practitioners.
Emphasizes consent and slaves rights. It was written with the health and welfare of the slave in mind.

Klashaan means “the kept” It is not a doormat or field slave practice. The doormat and field slave is covered briefly but has little relevance in this practice. As Celeste pointed out, the “mystique” or “fantasy” is the language that is utilized in the naming of pose and commands. The language evolved from my erotica novels and is a conversational language. No my novels are not written in an alien tongue. However the main character of the novels is from Atlantis and does not speak English. Through the books as the “heroines” learn what he is saying you do too. As I began book three the issue of slavery was finally introduced into the story. I am a very meticulous writer and to keep the institution of slavery uniform I started a small guide. I applied all my beliefs and addressed the inequities I have found in common D/s M/s practice. Before I knew it I had the rough making of a very good guide. So I focused on the guide “Bry Klashaan” and it evolved into a very sensible practice. So I found a few of the most open minded and credible people I could and offered the book for review, Celeste being one. I did not hand it out to Dom’s and say I wrote this for dominating fems. It is a 100% equality practice for male and female slaves, male and female Masters. It is still a diomand in the ruff and, thankfully, a very respected and honorable member of this community has offered to put his pen to my book and offer his feedback, suggestions and advice. Is it ready for publication? Nearly, but I would be a fool to publish without the advice of my peers. What is MistressJudes motive? She has found something she believes in. Something she feels she can build a very respectable community from and respect all aspects of the M/s dynamic. Will Lokiwood become a practicing Klashaan community? Yes it will and anything else this community would like it to be; BDSM biker rally, captive play camp, torture in the woods, an escape for like minds that like the outdoors.
Respectively

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 5:40:45 PM

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What MistressJude is doing is not exclusive to her nor slaves. As you have read Vendaval is doing the same. They are inviting people in there are to join their community. A Klashaan community is called a Tower, and the community follows the rules of that which are derived from “Bry Klashaan”. A Tower encompasses a state, region, or territory until communities grow big enough to form their own Tower. Now, all those smaller towers will always defer to the founding Tower until or if the records keeper changes tower. The records keeper is vital to the practice of “Klashaan” and tracks membership, rank, and most important of all; Honor. Now before you start saying fantasy remember there are many organizations that do the same.

What the Tower does for you is track members; keep you informed of new members, functions and events. All things that affect your community are sent out in a newsletter i.e. rank announcements and that mentioned above. Events range from small camp outs to full-blown meets with games and challenges. They also are a source for new information on all things Klashaan. What Klashaan means is “The Kept” and that is a form of precious slavery. The Klashaan is slave first, odalisque, confidant, friend, playmate. The book is written to classify a form of slavery that makes your slave very precious to you. Not saying they are not already, but the book specifically makes a Klashaan a precious slave worthy of love and commitment. This does not diminish the fact that he/she is a slave, but allows flexibility in your emotional attachment to him/her. The doormat has been removed and rights for the “Klashaan” are clear. Again before anyone starts jumping and screaming that it isn’t like that for them… remember it is bad for some. What a “Klashaan” community does is ensure the rules are followed and the rights upheld for its members. A slave doesn’t have to worry, so much, about the character of a potential Master/mistress. Klashaan communities self police and your deeds are a matter of record. That said there will be some that balk and scream at the idea of their Domliness or slavliness being measured and recorded… good, they most likely have qualities that would raise questions anyway. What you get from the records keeper is a fair assessment of the “M” or “s” skills, rank, and honor. This includes any praise or grievances brought to the attention of the community and more importantly the records keeper.

I have to hand it to MistressJude, she found something she likes and isn’t afraid to run with it. She is even building a worldwide website for people of any region to establish Towers and ask questions. It should be operational by Friday and will be located at www.klashaan.org

I revel in feedback and constructive criticisms. I openly accept them from an informed opinion and take uninformed criticism as a form of bigotry much like the Goreans have to. So my little link under my <sig> is an open target and when I read “I looked over your site and…” I pay attention. It is quite easy for me to respect that your kink is not my kink and that is okay. I just ask for the same courtesy.
Respectively

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 6:21:16 PM

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far be it for lil ol ME to critisize anyone, especially when I don't know anything about it.......I am just delightfully (and of course sarcastically)sitting here thinking.....Loki wrote a book?!?!?!?!

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 7:47:34 PM

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A few actually. I just aint eju-ma-kay-tud enough to publish them. lol

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 7:55:34 PM

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Geez.... I need to pay attention to what I am doing

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 8:04:51 PM

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Tal and greetings

Thank you BitaTruble, I stand corrected. (There are so many names being thrown around now it hard to tell which is which).
And Thank You Vendaval. I will always hold that one of the purposes of these boards it to share and support each other. Good luck to you Vendaval on your attempt to orginize a Bry Klashaan Community on the West Coast. I hope that you will invite me. (looking at her entire post, ah...type O Negative, that is mine..glup!")

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/22/2006 10:25:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
ah...type O Negative, that is mine..glup

Not only your blood type...but a great band.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/23/2006 1:21:00 AM

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Tal and Greeings Master Nosathro,

It would be an honor to have you be part of the West Coast
Bry Klashaan Tower. Please message Me on the other side for
more details.

Blessed Be,

Vendaval

PS - Don't worry about the blood, that is strictly optional.
Do check out the band because Type O Negative kicks ass!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Tal and greetings

And Thank You Vendaval. I will always hold that one of the purposes of these boards it to share and support each other. Good luck to you Vendaval on your attempt to orginize a Bry Klashaan Community on the West Coast. I hope that you will invite me. (looking at her entire post, ah...type O Negative, that is mine..glup!")

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/23/2006 1:25:33 AM

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(starts humming...)
     "An erotic funeral, for which she's dressed....
      Oh baby, Lilly Munster, ain't got nothing on you"

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ORIGINAL: amayos
Not only your blood type...but a great band.

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So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/23/2006 1:34:37 AM

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Wouldn't this thread have been more appropriate and more comfortable on the Gor board? Why borrow trouble? I know that the OP understands that there is always a lot of conflict regarding Gor and therefore, would be for anything similar. Besides, the thread topic kick starts the arguments just by having the word Gor in the title. I understand the premise that you're trying to extend the invitation to Klashaan to everyone, but you truly shot yourself in the foot here.

For the rest of you, is it really so important to argue the merits of Gor or anything like it because someone has posted a thread meant in the informational and invitational sense to people who might be interested. If you're not, then why bother with the thread at all? Yeah, you have a "right" to post, because its a public thread, but...must you just because you don't like the topic? Is everything a debate?

Just trying to put out the flames, here.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/23/2006 1:35:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

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ORIGINAL: becca333

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ORIGINAL: puella

One might say the very same thing about any book of faith.. .there certainly are many works of fiction and fantasy in just about every book of religion with a creationist theory that I have ever studied.

This is great! You're working down a checklist, right? How to offend the greatest number in the shortest time?

I do so love to see a true artist in action!

Reality tends to offend those that wish to ignore it. You don't think it is a coincidence that religious texts are kept in the same area as books on mythology in public libraries, do you?

And another fine entrant.

So you believe that the Dewey Decimal system has the final say on the importance of a text? Well done!

Btw in that case, religion is far closer to the reference section than it is to mythology.

But before you launch an armed assault, I'm not carrying a torch for any of it, just commenting on the fine leap from discussing a fetish lifestyle based on an unpublished fantasy, to entire branches of a long established religion. Double pike with a half-twist?

Mind you, it all has to start somewhere. Maybe a few centuries from now, they'll be defending the established Klashaan lifestyle/religion from attacks from some weird fetish-based minority called 'vanillas'.

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/23/2006 2:51:13 AM

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Well becca seems like you too could stand to clean up ye old profile before everyone has a look and realizes your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Then again, considering the time difference, I don’t think it will help.

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If you and your partner are both happy with what you're doing, what does it matter what anyone else thinks?

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RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! - 5/23/2006 3:44:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: feastie

Wouldn't this thread have been more appropriate and more comfortable on the Gor board? Why borrow trouble? I know that the OP understands that there is always a lot of conflict regarding Gor and therefore, would be for anything similar. Besides, the thread topic kick starts the arguments just by having the word Gor in the title. I understand the premise that you're trying to extend the invitation to Klashaan to everyone, but you truly shot yourself in the foot here.

For the rest of you, is it really so important to argue the merits of Gor or anything like it because someone has posted a thread meant in the informational and invitational sense to people who might be interested. If you're not, then why bother with the thread at all? Yeah, you have a "right" to post, because its a public thread, but...must you just because you don't like the topic? Is everything a debate?

Just trying to put out the flames, here.

Posting exclusively on the Gor board may miss many people that hadn't considered this , or thought about it a great deal. It's not too onerous to look at something and decide* Nope, not for me* or ignore it altogether, without exploring it. Either way, big deal.

We live in family units,( of varying styles) in the *real world* but they all can differ to a HUGE degree. The rules, ideals, principles are known by those living in the unit and vary from family member to family member according to age and understanding and personality.

The way I raise my children, the rules, the ideals and some of our rituals are absolutely not for other people. That's ok. Theirs aren't for us, either. Theirs are the ones they are happy to live by and uphold and so are ours.

I know nothing of Loki's book; know a little of Gor and my outlook is a group of people living in a way they choose....

Most people *borrow* their ideals and principles from parents, religion, community, culture.....then refine and hone them over time to ones that they are comfortable living with.

I like the thought of this....it makes me think, re-examine my own *ways*..consider things I may not have... I like having different *ways of living* presented to me.....it's an opportuntity to open my mind to yet something else.

agirl

edited, typing error

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