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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 12:43:18 AM   
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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:11:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone who is enthusiastic about the death penalty should NEVER be in charge of deciding whether it's administered or not.

Though I personally don't agree with it, I can understand why it appeals to some people who feel reluctantly that there's no alternative deterrent, that it's a kind of judicial last resort.

But any one who is zealous or enthusiastic about executing people is obviously coming from a different, far more sinister, far uglier place.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:34:57 AM   
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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed.  To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.


... like adultery and converting to christianity in Iran ...

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 4:12:38 AM   
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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed.  To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.


... like adultery and converting to christianity in Iran ...

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation


Come on.......your post implies a comparison with the death penalty in Iran with that of the US or Texas. It's a really long stretch.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 4:42:28 AM   
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how comes the US have far higher murder rates than most other countries?

seem abolishing death penalty had a better deterrent effect than executions ...

and if one looks for the effect of public executions to compare ... have a look at public executions in China and Iran




Possibly because we dont have as strict gun control laws as other countries? It had nothing to do with abolishing death penalty. It had everything to do with the US having access to guns while other European countries limit them.

Comparing apples to oranges dont work here.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 5:19:51 AM   
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how comes the US have far higher murder rates than most other countries?

seem abolishing death penalty had a better deterrent effect than executions ...

and if one looks for the effect of public executions to compare ... have a look at public executions in China and Iran






Possibly because we dont have as strict gun control laws as other countries? It had nothing to do with abolishing death penalty. It had everything to do with the US having access to guns while other European countries limit them.

Comparing apples to oranges dont work here.


Possibly because we are a violent society in general.  Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

  Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

  Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 5:52:37 AM   
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Perry has already killed at least one inocent man, Cameron Todd Willingham. What kind of blood thirsty maniac could possibly be proud of that fact?


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 5:52:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed.  To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.


... like adultery and converting to christianity in Iran ...

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation


Come on.......your post implies a comparison with the death penalty in Iran with that of the US or Texas. It's a really long stretch.



no it is not a long stretch - take a look at the few few countries that still stick to death penalties
China, USA and Iran are the only ones left commiting death penalty regularly and in considerable number

China and Iran - those are the ones that share this sick belief in death penalty

if you don't like that comparison I am not the one to blame

and I don't give a whatever if it is a "local", a "state" or a "federal" issue
it has to do with human rights worldwide if anything

and definitely no crocodile tears about violent society - if the majority of countries worldwide can do without death penalty the No.1 superpower can not??????????



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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 5:56:45 AM   
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death penalty is barbarism


And murder isnt?


both are ... but you cannot "cure" the one with the other

death penalty is simply murder legalized ...


Exactly.

How is state sanctioned murder different from any other murder?

Because we like to call it justice?

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:06:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed.  To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.


... like adultery and converting to christianity in Iran ...

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation


Come on.......your post implies a comparison with the death penalty in Iran with that of the US or Texas. It's a really long stretch.



no it is not a long stretch - take a look at the few few countries that still stick to death penalties
China, USA and Iran are the only ones left commiting death penalty regularly and in considerable number

China and Iran - those are the ones that share this sick belief in death penalty

if you don't like that comparison I am not the one to blame

and I don't give a whatever if it is a "local", a "state" or a "federal" issue
it has to do with human rights worldwide if anything

and definitely no crocodile tears about violent society - if the majority of countries worldwide can do without death penalty the No.1 superpower can not??????????





It's still comparing apples to oranges and I would still say it's a stretch. Here in the US it takes many years for a defendant to get to the point of execution with lawyers, appeals and all the rest of it. In Iran you don't have all of that. There is no presumption of innocence and people are put to death after the crime rather quickly, not to mention the absurd things that can get you a death sentence, hung in a public square, and sometimes in multiples, and if I'm not mistaken a crap load more per capita than here in the US. There is just no comparison.

I would call that barbaric.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:06:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

how comes the US have far higher murder rates than most other countries?

seem abolishing death penalty had a better deterrent effect than executions ...

and if one looks for the effect of public executions to compare ... have a look at public executions in China and Iran






Possibly because we dont have as strict gun control laws as other countries? It had nothing to do with abolishing death penalty. It had everything to do with the US having access to guns while other European countries limit them.

Comparing apples to oranges dont work here.


Possibly because we are a violent society in general.  Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

  Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

  Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.


I don't who Jerry Spence is or why I should value his opinion, but we don't need to be a violent society.

It comes from people like you who believe that more guns will somehow make things more peaceful.





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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:14:25 AM   
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death penalty is barbarism


And murder isnt?


both are ... but you cannot "cure" the one with the other

death penalty is simply murder legalized ...


Exactly.

How is state sanctioned murder different from any other murder?

Because we like to call it justice?




You already posted that except your sentences were structured differently. 

   See post # 53


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:18:57 AM   
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It's still comparing apples to oranges and I would still say it's a stretch. Here in the US it takes many years for a defendant to get to the point of execution with lawyers, appeals and all the rest of it. In Iran you don't have all of that. There is no presumption of innocence and people are put to death after the crime rather quickly, not to mention the absurd things that can get you a death sentence, hung in a public square, and sometimes in multiples, and if I'm not mistaken a crap load more per capita than here in the US. There is just no comparison.

I would call that barbaric.



Are you familiar with with the Iranian legal system.

I'm not.

So can you educate me?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:19:19 AM   
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I call death penalty as such barbaric - everywhere and for whatever "reason." No faint excuses whatever can justify death penalty (and "playing by the rules" does not make it any better - it's not a game).


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:21:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

how comes the US have far higher murder rates than most other countries?

seem abolishing death penalty had a better deterrent effect than executions ...

and if one looks for the effect of public executions to compare ... have a look at public executions in China and Iran






Possibly because we dont have as strict gun control laws as other countries? It had nothing to do with abolishing death penalty. It had everything to do with the US having access to guns while other European countries limit them.

Comparing apples to oranges dont work here.


Possibly because we are a violent society in general.  Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

  Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

  Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.


I don't who Jerry Spence is or why I should value his opinion, but we don't need to be a violent society.

It comes from people like you who believe that more guns will somehow make things more peaceful.






  Jerry Spence is that defense lawyer who always wears a fringed buckskin jacket. He writes books, is very smart and would be your first choice if you or your loved ones ever needed a defense attorney assuming you could afford him. He was also the one who defended Randy Weaver I think.

I don't think we need to be a violent society either. We have lots of guns in my neighborhood and it's quite peaceful.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:21:52 AM   
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death penalty is barbarism


And murder isnt?


both are ... but you cannot "cure" the one with the other

death penalty is simply murder legalized ...


Exactly.

How is state sanctioned murder different from any other murder?

Because we like to call it justice?




You already posted that except your sentences were structured differently. 

   See post # 53



Then it was worth repeating.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:26:23 AM   
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  Jerry Spence is that defense lawyer who always wears a fringed buckskin jacket. He writes books, is very smart and would be your first choice if you or your loved ones ever needed a defense attorney assuming you could afford him. He was also the one who defended Randy Weaver I think.

I don't think we need to be a violent society either. We have lots of guns in my neighborhood and it's quite peaceful.



Somehow I can't imagine my first choice for a lawyer would be someone who wears a fringed buckskin jacket.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:39:11 AM   
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It's still comparing apples to oranges and I would still say it's a stretch. Here in the US it takes many years for a defendant to get to the point of execution with lawyers, appeals and all the rest of it. In Iran you don't have all of that. There is no presumption of innocence and people are put to death after the crime rather quickly, not to mention the absurd things that can get you a death sentence, hung in a public square, and sometimes in multiples, and if I'm not mistaken a crap load more per capita than here in the US. There is just no comparison.

I would call that barbaric.



Are you familiar with with the Iranian legal system.

I'm not.

So can you educate me?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?



I'm familiar enough to post what I did. It was in the back of my head from an article I read in one of those news reports in Time or Newsweek a while back along with pictures of several guys hanging from poles in a public place. The hanging guys were charged with what would have amounted to minor drug possession here in the US if I recall correctly.  I won't expand with more details because I'm not that familiar.

If you want to get educated stay in school and don't do any drugs. 

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:43:19 AM   
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Jerry Spence is that defense lawyer who always wears a fringed buckskin jacket. He writes books, is very smart and would be your first choice if you or your loved ones ever needed a defense attorney assuming you could afford him. He was also the one who defended Randy Weaver I think.

I don't think we need to be a violent society either. We have lots of guns in my neighborhood and it's quite peaceful.



Somehow I can't imagine my first choice for a lawyer would be someone who wears a fringed buckskin jacket.



Wardrobe aside, if you were familiar with this guy I think you and I would agree he is top choice for a lawyer.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:45:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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death penalty is barbarism


And murder isnt?


both are ... but you cannot "cure" the one with the other

death penalty is simply murder legalized ...


Exactly.

How is state sanctioned murder different from any other murder?

Because we like to call it justice?




You already posted that except your sentences were structured differently. 

   See post # 53



Then it was worth repeating.




So is post #53


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