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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:46:23 AM

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Perry has already killed at least one inocent man, Cameron Todd Willingham. What kind of blood thirsty maniac could possibly be proud of that fact?

How do you figure that Perry was reponsible?
He has the constitutional power than to grant one 30-day stay. The governor does appoint the members of the Pardons & Paroles Board, but those appointments are subject to senate confirmation, and the governor can not interfere in the Board's decisions, much less overturn the Board's decisions.

He also has the power, under his state's Constitution, to grant pardons to innocent people who were wrongly convicted, such as Mr. Willingham, but that would require moral courage - which Perry apparently lacks.

You probably think Ruben Carter and Mumia Abu-Jamal were innocent too.

Are you denying that Willingham was innocent?

I dont know any better than you do, no matter how much you want to cut and paste. I do know he was convicted, supposedly confessed on at least one occasion and lost his appeals. I do know that if Perry thought there was the slightest chance he was innocent he would have allowed time for further investigation.

Then you're full of shit and either don't know the details of the case or are simply lying. Willingham was convicted based on what has been described as old wives tales. Real science indicates there was no arson so there was no crime. Willingham did not set the fire because it was not set. Perry had a brief that showed those facts on his desk the day of the execution but didn't even bother having his staff read it.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:49:41 AM

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This is about the ONLY thing I agree with Perry on. I live in Houston and watching the local news is like watching a horror movie. Pregnant mother killed in car jacking, convicted murderer shouts at mother who's daughter he raped and killed "shut the fuck up, i don't care what you think, your daughter was a piece of shit", officers killed in the line of duty, missing children, body found in vacant lot. EVERY DAY.

Yes, it's messed up when innocents are convicted and executed. But the end didn't kill them, the investigators and the judicial system did.

And no, i'm not religious.

Will you volunteer the person you love most to be the next innocent person Texas executes? If not then you need to rethink your position.

And what would you suggest be done with the ones who are not innocent? The ones that still have a voice but their victims do not?

Prove to me that the suspect is guilty and I'll put them to death myself. However as long as the justice system is so mistake prone as to convict innocent people around 10% of the time in capital cases I will oppose doing anything irreversible to those we convict.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:51:40 AM

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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 6:54:28 AM

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I just wanted to jump in real quick and enlighten a few of you lazy twits who like to jump to bold conclusions instead of taking ten minutes out of your life to shed some of your idiocy and find out the truth.

Based on the UCR, the BJS, and DPIC the following statistics have been gathered since 1976, and have maintained a linear pattern with a +/- of 3% of all reported crimes and executions based on those crimes in the united states.

Races of defendants executed in the U.S. since 1976:

Black 35%
White 56%
Latino 7%
Other 2%

I guess caucasians should get up in arms and start bitching about how "the man" is racist and unjust. Oh wait, maybe you are just all full of shit. Over 50% more caucasians are executed every year than any other race in this country, and those numbers have stayed constant since they began keeping records in 1976. How about that.

Races of victims of executed inmates since 1976:

Black 15%
White 77%
Latino 6%
Other 3%

Oh man, look at those numbers, I could go on about this, but the staggering gap pretty much sums it up.

Yeah those numbers do prove the point but not the one you thought. Blacks are about 12% of the US population but are 35% of the people executed.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 7:02:51 AM

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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

No. People confess for all sorts of reasons besides being guilty. I know of no way to have zero doubt about anything. If a murderer asks to die then it seems likely the worse punishment for him is being alive with his guilt so if punishment is what we are after then let him suffer until his natural death.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 7:31:36 AM

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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

No. People confess for all sorts of reasons besides being guilty. I know of no way to have zero doubt about anything. If a murderer asks to die then it seems likely the worse punishment for him is being alive with his guilt so if punishment is what we are after then let him suffer until his natural death.

Oh how cruel to let them linger in jail. What happened to "Prove to me that the suspect is guilty and I'll put them to death myself." ?

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 7:38:47 AM

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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed. To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.

... like adultery and converting to christianity in Iran ...

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation

Come on.......your post implies a comparison with the death penalty in Iran with that of the US or Texas. It's a really long stretch.

no it is not a long stretch - take a look at the few few countries that still stick to death penalties
China, USA and Iran are the only ones left commiting death penalty regularly and in considerable number

China and Iran - those are the ones that share this sick belief in death penalty

if you don't like that comparison I am not the one to blame

and I don't give a whatever if it is a "local", a "state" or a "federal" issue
it has to do with human rights worldwide if anything

and definitely no crocodile tears about violent society - if the majority of countries worldwide can do without death penalty the No.1 superpower can not??????????

Comparing us to China is a bit much- we only execute those who have committed murder. China will execute for white collar crimes, and anything else they can think of to. Then sell the body parts and charge the family for the bullet.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 7:44:01 AM

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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

No. People confess for all sorts of reasons besides being guilty. I know of no way to have zero doubt about anything. If a murderer asks to die then it seems likely the worse punishment for him is being alive with his guilt so if punishment is what we are after then let him suffer until his natural death.

If they confess and want to die, screw just the punishment. Saves money in the long run just giving them their wish.
And if you refuse to put them to death, they will often times just kill other inmates until you agree.
Case and point:
http://news.yahoo.com/va-inmate-gets-wish-death-penalty-2-slayings-133757921.html

Killing murderers is not purely revenge. It is preventative. Once someone has crossed that line and killed another human being, it has been proven it makes it easier for them to do it again.
Same with rapists. You let them out of jail, as soon as they feel they can get away with it they strike again. You can advocate mercy all you want, but innocent people can suffer from mercy given to a criminal.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 7:50:36 AM

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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed. To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.

... like adultery and converting to christianity in Iran ...

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation

Come on.......your post implies a comparison with the death penalty in Iran with that of the US or Texas. It's a really long stretch.

no it is not a long stretch - take a look at the few few countries that still stick to death penalties
China, USA and Iran are the only ones left commiting death penalty regularly and in considerable number

China and Iran - those are the ones that share this sick belief in death penalty

if you don't like that comparison I am not the one to blame

and I don't give a whatever if it is a "local", a "state" or a "federal" issue
it has to do with human rights worldwide if anything

and definitely no crocodile tears about violent society - if the majority of countries worldwide can do without death penalty the No.1 superpower can not??????????

Comparing us to China is a bit much- we only execute those who have committed murder. China will execute for white collar crimes, and anything else they can think of to. Then sell the body parts and charge the family for the bullet.

Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 8:03:06 AM

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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?

I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.

Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 8:03:28 AM

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Consider this.

Rick Perry is "Pro-Life"

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 8:11:17 AM

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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?

I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.

I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran. I just couldn't resist.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 8:16:09 AM

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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?

I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.

I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran. I just couldn't resist.

Dammit. Where was my kick under the table!

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 8:17:52 AM

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Perry has already killed at least one inocent man, Cameron Todd Willingham. What kind of blood thirsty maniac could possibly be proud of that fact?

How do you figure that Perry was reponsible?
He has the constitutional power than to grant one 30-day stay. The governor does appoint the members of the Pardons & Paroles Board, but those appointments are subject to senate confirmation, and the governor can not interfere in the Board's decisions, much less overturn the Board's decisions.

He also has the power, under his state's Constitution, to grant pardons to innocent people who were wrongly convicted, such as Mr. Willingham, but that would require moral courage - which Perry apparently lacks.

No, he does not. He can only grant a pardon IF recommended by the Board of Pardons and Paroles. This was changed in the late 70's (I think) because there was a selling of pardons.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 8:52:52 AM

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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

No. People confess for all sorts of reasons besides being guilty. I know of no way to have zero doubt about anything. If a murderer asks to die then it seems likely the worse punishment for him is being alive with his guilt so if punishment is what we are after then let him suffer until his natural death.

I asked because I'd read this earlier in the week.

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2011/sep/06/judges-orders-death-penalty-robert-gleason-ar-1289717/

The only pause I have on the death penalty are those who are wrongly convicted. There are times when we know with zero doubt.

In those cases, I have zero issue with the death penalty, and see zero reasons why keeping them alive at my expense is a good thing.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 9:12:31 AM

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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed. To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation

And how many of those are just overcompensating for horrific abuses of the death penalty in the past? We have no history of the tyrannical "off with his head" monarchists here. No reign of terror in the wake of our revolution. It's a bit hard to yell "lynch mob," when it takes decades for the sentence to be carried out. I'm not inclined to stick my nose into how other countries handle internal affairs, but I find the thought that the Norway shooter will have every hope of breathing again as a free man intolerable.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 9:14:01 AM

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Possibly because we are a violent society in general. Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.

rofl.. boy, I am not arguing gun control. Get your head out of your ass.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 9:50:14 AM

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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed. To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.

I prefer to live in one of the more than 130 coward states on this earth

seems cowardice is a significant achievement in civilisation

And how many of those are just overcompensating for horrific abuses of the death penalty in the past? We have no history of the tyrannical "off with his head" monarchists here. No reign of terror in the wake of our revolution. It's a bit hard to yell "lynch mob," when it takes decades for the sentence to be carried out. I'm not inclined to stick my nose into how other countries handle internal affairs, but I find the thought that the Norway shooter will have every hope of breathing again as a free man intolerable.

Sure - many countries have a bloody past concerning death penalty - definitely my own, worth to be remembered in infamy. They seem to have learnt a few lessons from the past. I guess this is part of the reasons why death penalty has been abolished and banned in so many countries.

You have a bloody present. Do you need a bloody future? How long will it take for you to learn?

Again: Death penalty is no cure for anything - and nowhere.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:04:55 AM

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Possibly because we are a violent society in general. Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.

rofl.. boy, I am not arguing gun control. Get your head out of your ass.

You certainly said too many guns were possibly the reason we had higher rates of murder than other countries. That would seem to be fodder for a gun control debate. What was I supposed to think ? rofl back at ya!!

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:35:24 AM

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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

No. People confess for all sorts of reasons besides being guilty. I know of no way to have zero doubt about anything. If a murderer asks to die then it seems likely the worse punishment for him is being alive with his guilt so if punishment is what we are after then let him suffer until his natural death.

Oh how cruel to let them linger in jail. What happened to "Prove to me that the suspect is guilty and I'll put them to death myself." ?

I stand by my statement, prove to me that the suspect is guilty and I'll do the killing myself. However you can't so I oppose the death penalty.

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