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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:36:58 AM   
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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:38:00 AM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:39:46 AM   
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Would you then be supportive of the death penalty in cases of admission of guilt, cases where there is zero doubt, not just reasonable doubt, and cases where the criminal asks for it?

No. People confess for all sorts of reasons besides being guilty. I know of no way to have zero doubt about anything. If a murderer asks to die then it seems likely the worse punishment for him is being alive with his guilt so if punishment is what we are after then let him suffer until his natural death.


I asked because I'd read this earlier in the week.

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2011/sep/06/judges-orders-death-penalty-robert-gleason-ar-1289717/

The only pause I have on the death penalty are those who are wrongly convicted. There are times when we know with zero doubt.

In those cases, I have zero issue with the death penalty, and see zero reasons why keeping them alive at my expense is a good thing.


This is a problem with the US prison system which encourages violence between prisoners. It is not an argument for the death penalty.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:47:15 AM   
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This is a problem with the US prison system which encourages violence between prisoners. It is not an argument for the death penalty.


Errr... that's not just a US problem. That's a problem that will crop up anywhere you put a bunch of violent people together.
They will be violent.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:48:25 AM   
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Possibly because we are a violent society in general.  Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.


rofl.. boy, I am not arguing gun control. Get your head out of your ass.


You certainly said too many guns were possibly the reason we had higher rates of murder than other countries. That would seem to be fodder for a gun control debate. What was I supposed to think ?  rofl back at ya!!



You arent new. My strance on gun ownership is well published. If you read only what you want to read, then its your own fault.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:50:37 AM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.


You're the one who can't read. Tolovetolaugh was comparing the US to China. I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

Do what all the libs do when they're in a huff. Slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10..... Er....uh.....well....just count as high as you can.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:54:39 AM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.


You're the one who can't read. Tolovetolaugh was comparing the US to China. I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

Do what all the libs do when they're in a huff. Slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10..... Er....uh.....well....just count as high as you can.



Nope. I was arguing against that.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:56:58 AM   
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Possibly because we are a violent society in general.  Jerry Spence said that we were once during an interview.

Possibly there are not enough guns. I said that once during an interview.

Possibly we can highjack this thread. You said that once on a thread.

Arguing gun control would still be comparing apples and oranges. Different societies and cultures.


rofl.. boy, I am not arguing gun control. Get your head out of your ass.


You certainly said too many guns were possibly the reason we had higher rates of murder than other countries. That would seem to be fodder for a gun control debate. What was I supposed to think ?  rofl back at ya!!



You arent new. My strance on gun ownership is well published. If you read only what you want to read, then its your own fault.


Forgive me but I can't remember what your stance is.  I'll go and google it right now.  From what you posted you would have to admit could easily be inferred as gun control debate fodder. my bad


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 10:57:33 AM   
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I did, and do again

the 3 countries on earth still commiting death penalty in considerable number and regularly

China USA Iran

you may not like it but that's the way it is

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:02:16 AM   
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This is a problem with the US prison system which encourages violence between prisoners. It is not an argument for the death penalty.


Errr... that's not just a US problem. That's a problem that will crop up anywhere you put a bunch of violent people together.
They will be violent.


you need to investigate the prison systems in other countries.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:02:34 AM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.


You're the one who can't read. Tolovetolaugh was comparing the US to China. I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

Do what all the libs do when they're in a huff. Slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10..... Er....uh.....well....just count as high as you can.



Nope. I was arguing against that.


I thought  you were arguing it's a bad comparison as in a stretch.  At least it's the same as my argument comparing with Iran. None the less still a comparison. 

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:03:52 AM   
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I thought  you were arguing it's a bad comparison as in a stretch.  At least it's the same as my argument comparing with Iran. Non the less still a comparison. 



Fair enough.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:06:21 AM   
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This is a problem with the US prison system which encourages violence between prisoners. It is not an argument for the death penalty.


Errr... that's not just a US problem. That's a problem that will crop up anywhere you put a bunch of violent people together.
They will be violent.


you need to investigate the prison systems in other countries.


I have in the past, and I probably will more later, but human nature pretty much makes it true, and unchangeable.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:06:36 AM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.


You're the one who can't read. Tolovetolaugh was comparing the US to China. I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

Do what all the libs do when they're in a huff. Slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10..... Er....uh.....well....just count as high as you can.


Try again. I never compared the US to Iran either. So once again, stop making up shit about me.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:11:19 AM   
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There are some crimes that demand the ultimate penalty be imposed.  To deny that to the victims, and to society, is cowardice.


are you the voice for society and the victims?

I have pretty much always been against the death penalty.

The kicker was that Susan Smith was not executed.

If Susan Smith was black does anyone really believe that her life would have been spared?


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:15:09 AM   
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death penalty is barbarism
look at the countries who still sentence ppl to death
China, USA, Iran ...
you still feel fine?


Yes, yes I do.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty- hell if someone purposely killed my cat I would probably be trying to kill them, let alone a family member or friend.




You are kind of an awful person. You should lift up wilbur's stomach, have sex with him and create lil' vapidoraptors.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:19:35 AM   
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death penalty is barbarism
look at the countries who still sentence ppl to death
China, USA, Iran ...
you still feel fine?


Yes, yes I do.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty- hell if someone purposely killed my cat I would probably be trying to kill them, let alone a family member or friend.




You are kind of an awful person. You should lift up wilbur's stomach, have sex with him and create lil' vapidoraptors.


Come play painball with me sometime, I will show you just how awful I can be.




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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:21:28 AM   
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are you the voice for society and the victims?


  


I'm just a voice, DG, sometimes calling out in the wilderness, sometimes slapping the foolish as a public service. 

It's been noted along the way that the death penalty is something prosecutors seek, when they are looking to get elected.  That should sum it up nicely, where society lies on the question.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:24:17 AM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.


You're the one who can't read. Tolovetolaugh was comparing the US to China. I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

Do what all the libs do when they're in a huff. Slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10..... Er....uh.....well....just count as high as you can.


Try again. I never compared the US to Iran either. So once again, stop making up shit about me.


Ya didn't make it to 10 did ya.  I never said you made those comparisons.  Slow down and look up to see whats printed in bold red letters.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:26:22 AM   
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I stand by my statement, prove to me that the suspect is guilty and I'll do the killing myself. However you can't so I oppose the death penalty.



Here you go, Ken. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Little_Rock_recruiting_office_shooting


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