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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 11:28:42 AM   
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death penalty is barbarism
look at the countries who still sentence ppl to death
China, USA, Iran ...
you still feel fine?


Yes, yes I do.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty- hell if someone purposely killed my cat I would probably be trying to kill them, let alone a family member or friend.




You are kind of an awful person. You should lift up wilbur's stomach, have sex with him and create lil' vapidoraptors.



WoW!!!   Talk about hate filled vitriolic rhetorical BS.  You must be a republican.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:26:19 PM   
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Oh but...........

Are you familiar with with the Chinese legal system ?

Ken is not.

So can you educate him?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




I am not, I remember that tidbit from a documentary on black market body parts actually.
Thing freaked me out because I never considered where my bone graft came from...

Looking into it trying to find a good link, It seems while they do still execute for white collar crime, outcry against it is leading them to considering lowering the number of crimes that are executable.
http://www.complianceweek.com/chinas-death-sentence-with-two-year-reprieve-for-white-collar-criminals/article/202448/

I still stand by comparing us to China and Iran as being a stretch.



I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran.  I just couldn't resist.


You're apparently incapable of reading. I never compared the US to China. Stop making shit up about me.


You're the one who can't read. Tolovetolaugh was comparing the US to China. I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

Do what all the libs do when they're in a huff. Slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10..... Er....uh.....well....just count as high as you can.


Try again. I never compared the US to Iran either. So once again, stop making up shit about me.


Ya didn't make it to 10 did ya.  I never said you made those comparisons.  Slow down and look up to see whats printed in bold red letters.


You didn't?
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I do also. I was just mocking what Ken posted in my comparison to the US and Iran. I just couldn't resist

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I was poking fun at your stupid response to my comparison to the US and Iran when I responded to her post.

I never made such a comparison and never responded to a post of yours that mentioned Iran or China until you started making shit up about me.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:27:46 PM   
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I stand by my statement, prove to me that the suspect is guilty and I'll do the killing myself. However you can't so I oppose the death penalty.



Here you go, Ken. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Little_Rock_recruiting_office_shooting


Not even close to proven.

It is entirely possible the actual shooter escaped and this guy is a fall guy.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:38:52 PM   
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Blanche Atwood was my aunt, and hell yes I would shoot both of those motherfuckers in the head without batting an eye.


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ARMSTRONG v. STATE ARMSTRONG v. The STATE. No. S01A1601.
-- February 11, 2002
Lawrence W. Daniel, Atlanta, for Appellant.Patrick H. Head, Dist. Atty., Dana J. Norman, Andrew J. Saliba, Asst. Dist. Attys., Thurbert E. Baker, Atty. Gen., Ruth M. Bebko, Asst. Atty. Gen., for appellee.
A jury convicted Joshua Armstrong of felony murder, armed robbery, and burglary for his involvement in the killing of Blanche Atwood.   The principal issue on appeal is whether the State satisfied chain of custody requirements for a blood-stained t-shirt that had the victim's DNA on it.   Because we find there was a sufficient evidentiary foundation to admit the t-shirt into evidence and Armstrong's other enumerations of error are without merit, we affirm.1

On September 3, 1998, Armstrong and an accomplice, Tony Elam, skipped school and forced their way into the home of Blanche Atwood, whose grandson was a drug dealer.   They beat Atwood to death and stole money, drugs and a cellular telephone from the house.   Then, they changed out of their bloody clothes and used the cell phone and some of the money from the robbery to purchase tattoos and drugs.   Elam later bragged about killing an elderly lady to get money for his tattoos.   Armstrong also admitted to friends his participation in stealing from Atwood;  he denied beating her, however.The police arrested Elam and Armstrong, and Elam pleaded guilty to felony murder and armed robbery and agreed to testify against Armstrong.  

At trial, Elam testified that Armstrong had beaten Atwood to death and that Armstrong had a hammer, which he abandoned at the crime scene.   The medical examiner testified that Atwood had been struck with a blunt, hard object. 1. Taking the evidence in the light most favorable to the jury's verdict, we conclude that there was sufficient evidence from which a rational trier of fact could have found Armstrong guilty of the crimes for which he was convicted.2   2. We next examine whether the trial court erred in admitting into evidence a bag of clothes that contained a white t-shirt with the victim's DNA on it.   At trial, the State offered into evidence a bag of clothes that the police had received from Armstrong's step-father's personal attorney.   The bag contained a white t-shirt with blood stains.   Armstrong contends that the trial court erred in admitting the bag of clothes because the State failed to show a sufficient evidentiary connection between him and the clothes. 

When the State seeks to introduce into evidence an item that is subject to the chain of custody rule, it must establish with reasonable assurance that the item seized is the same as the item being offered into evidence.3  We agree with the courts that have held the chain of custody requirements apply only after the State has taken possession of an item.4  Absent affirmative evidence of tampering, challenges to evidence that focus on the period before the State took possession are governed by general rules of relevance and authentication.With respect to the period after the State took possession of the bag of clothes, we hold that the State satisfactorily showed the chain of custody by demonstrating with reasonable assurance that the bag of clothes introduced at trial contained the same clothes taken from Armstrong's step-father's attorney.   The police received a bag of clothes from the attorney that contained a white t-shirt with blood stains.   A state crime lab technician testified that the victim's DNA was definitely on the t-shirt, and Armstrong's DNA was not on the shirt.   The tests could not exclude Elam's DNA from being on the t-shirt, but also could not determine whether his DNA was on the shirt.   A police technician testified that clothes received from the attorney were the same as the clothes being offered at trial.   The State's witnesses also testified regarding the bag of clothes as it moved from the step-father's attorney to the crime lab to trial.  

The State's witnesses established the chain of custody from the time the State took possession of the bag of clothes until it was offered into evidence at trial.Turning to the period before the State took possession of the bag of clothes, we find that there was a sufficient evidentiary connection between Armstrong and the bag of clothes received by the police to support admitting the clothes into evidence.   Elam testified that he wore a white t-shirt during the crimes, and he left that shirt at Armstrong's house.   Armstrong's father took a soft, bulky bag to Armstrong's step-father who, in turn, took it to his attorney.   The police retrieved a bag of clothes containing a t-shirt with the victim's DNA on it from the step-father's attorney.  

Although Armstrong's step-father testified that the bag offered at trial appeared different from the one he took to his attorney, a police technician testified that she removed the clothes from the bag retrieved from the attorney and placed them in another bag before forwarding the clothes to the State Crime Lab. Under these circumstances, the trial court did not abuse its discretion in admitting the bag of clothes into evidence.   Any remaining doubt regarding the connection between the clothes and Armstrong goes to their evidentiary weight, not their admissibility, and the jury is charged with deciding how much weight to give evidence.5 Armstrong also argues that the bag of clothes should have been excluded because the State generally mishandled evidence in the case. There was no evidence of evidence tampering, and Armstrong's argument that the State mishandled certain items of evidence is too speculative to require exclusion of the bag of clothes.6

Whatever doubt may have arisen from the alleged mishandling of evidence in this specific case could have been argued to, and considered by, the jury.7   3. Armstrong's final enumeration of error is that the trial court improperly refused to charge the jury on robbery as a lesser included offense of armed robbery, as he requested.   The evidence established at trial that a weapon of some variety was used to beat Atwood to death.   Based on the undisputed evidence that the offense of armed robbery was committed, the trial court did not err in refusing to charge the jury on robbery.8 Judgment affirmed.FOOTNOTES1.    The crimes were committed on September 3, 1998.  

A grand jury indicted Armstrong on February 4, 1999, and a jury convicted Armstrong on October 9, 2000.   Armstrong was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences for the murder and robbery convictions, and a concurrent sentence of twenty years of probation for the burglary.   Armstrong moved for a new trial on October 16, 2000 and amended his motion on May 17, 2002.   The trial court denied Armstrong's motion for new trial on May 21, 2001.   Armstrong filed his notice of appeal on June 6, 2001, and the case was docketed in this Court on July 25, 2001.  

The case was submitted for decision on September 17, 2001.2.    See Jackson v. Virginia, 443 U.S. 307, 99 S.Ct. 2781, 61 L.Ed.2d 560 (1979);  see also Perkinson v. State, 273 Ga. 814, 816, 546 S.E.2d 501 (2001);  Jones v. State, 271 Ga. 433, 520 S.E.2d 690 (1999).3.    See, e.g., Johnson v. State, 271 Ga. 375, 382, 519 S.E.2d 221 (1999); Stephens v. State, 259 Ga. 820, 820-821, 388 S.E.2d 519 (1990);  Anderson v. State, 247 Ga. 397, 399, 276 S.E.2d 603 (1981).4.    See Broadnax v. State, No. CR-97-0113, 2000 WL 869510, 2000 Ala.Crim.App. Lexis 178, at * 65-66 (June 30, 2000);  Robinson v. State, 733 So.2d 333, 335 (Miss.Ct.App.1998);  Burrell v. State, 689 So.2d 992, 995-996 (Ala.Cr.App.1996);  Wash v. State, 408 N.E.2d 634, 638 (Ind.Ct.App.1980);  Commonwealth v. Jenkins, 231 Pa.Super. 266, 332 A.2d 490, 492 (1974);  see also State v. Conrad, 241 Mont. 1, 785 P.2d 185, 189 (1990).5.   See Beam v. State, 265 Ga. 854, 463 S.E.2d 347 (1995);  see generally Peppers v. State, 261 Ga. 340, 404 S.E.2d 788 (1991).6.   See Johnson, 271 Ga. at 382, 519 S.E.2d 221;  Beam, 265 Ga. at 854, 463 S.E.2d 347.7.    See Johnson, 271 Ga. at 382, 519 S.E.2d 221;  Beam, 265 Ga. at 854, 463 S.E.2d 347;  see generally Peppers, 261 Ga. at 340, 404 S.E.2d 788.8.   See Greene v. State, 263 Ga. 466, 467, 435 S.E.2d 607 (1993). FLETCHER, Chief Justice. All the Justices concur.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:40:27 PM   
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Jst, i tried to read it, but than I looked away from a word, saw the whole post and got dizzy.

Could I get a little condensing?


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:44:18 PM   
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I added some paragraph breaks, but...

2 16 year olds broke in to the home of my 62 year old 5' tall, 98 pound aunt and beat her to death.  They stole money, they bragged about their crime to all their school mates and they used the money to get drugs and tattoos.

There was more than enough evidence and witnesses who saw them to prove 100% that they did it.  The fact that they are allowed to still breathe, and I have to help support their sorry asses makes me sick to my stomach.

I would gladly be the one to flip the switch and kill their sorry asses.



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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:45:09 PM   
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And Domi, Still waiting...



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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:49:00 PM   
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I added some paragraph breaks, but...

2 16 year olds broke in to the home of my 62 year old 5' tall, 98 pound aunt and beat her to death.  They stole money, they bragged about their crime to all their school mates and they used the money to get drugs and tattoos.

There was more than enough evidence and witnesses who saw them to prove 100% that they did it.  The fact that they are allowed to still breathe, and I have to help support their sorry asses makes me sick to my stomach.

I would gladly be the one to flip the switch and kill their sorry asses.



I am very sorry about that. I apologize if my former post came off as insensitive, I really didn't read it while it was one block.

Cases like that are tragic. Not to use your case for argumentative gain, but you do bring across the point that their deaths would be a form of closure.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 2:54:12 PM   
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I added some paragraph breaks, but...

2 16 year olds broke in to the home of my 62 year old 5' tall, 98 pound aunt and beat her to death.  They stole money, they bragged about their crime to all their school mates and they used the money to get drugs and tattoos.

There was more than enough evidence and witnesses who saw them to prove 100% that they did it.  The fact that they are allowed to still breathe, and I have to help support their sorry asses makes me sick to my stomach.

I would gladly be the one to flip the switch and kill their sorry asses.



I am very sorry about that. I apologize if my former post came off as insensitive, I really didn't read it while it was one block.

Cases like that are tragic. Not to use your case for argumentative gain, but you do bring across the point that their deaths would be a form of closure.

Nothing brings closure when a loved one is murdered.  it would let us know that the two sorry motherfuckers who stopped her life were no longer getting to steal the oxygen they deprived her of. 

Some call it revenge, some call it barbaric, I just call it the right thing to do in cases such as this.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:15:02 PM   
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Not even close to proven.

It is entirely possible the actual shooter escaped and this guy is a fall guy.



And pigs might fly out of your butt.  He confessed repeatedly. 

Do tell me something though, if that's the path you want to wander.  In your imaginative conspiracy theory, why would the "real mastermind/s" waste such a good patsy, on a limited impact target of opportunity?

If you won't accept his own handwritten confession, in letters to the media, then just admit that you oppose the death penalty, period.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/nov/13/muslim-who-shot-solider-arkansas-says-he-wanted-ca/

You don't have to pull any triggers, or set the IV.  Just say he should die.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:17:22 PM   
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Not even close to proven.

It is entirely possible the actual shooter escaped and this guy is a fall guy.



And pigs might fly out of your butt.  He confessed repeatedly. 

Do tell me something though, if that's the path you want to wander.  In your imaginative conspiracy theory, why would the "real mastermind/s" waste such a good patsy, on a limited impact target of opportunity?

If you won't accept his own handwritten confession, in letters to the media, then just admit that you oppose the death penalty, period.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/nov/13/muslim-who-shot-solider-arkansas-says-he-wanted-ca/

You don't have to pull any triggers, or set the IV.  Just say he should die.

Prove he did it. Not supposition not his confession I want actual rigorous proof. If you don't know that nothing outside mathematics can be proven maybe you need to go study some logic.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:22:56 PM   
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I added some paragraph breaks, but...

2 16 year olds broke in to the home of my 62 year old 5' tall, 98 pound aunt and beat her to death.  They stole money, they bragged about their crime to all their school mates and they used the money to get drugs and tattoos.

There was more than enough evidence and witnesses who saw them to prove 100% that they did it.  The fact that they are allowed to still breathe, and I have to help support their sorry asses makes me sick to my stomach.

I would gladly be the one to flip the switch and kill their sorry asses.



I am very sorry about that. I apologize if my former post came off as insensitive, I really didn't read it while it was one block.

Cases like that are tragic. Not to use your case for argumentative gain, but you do bring across the point that their deaths would be a form of closure.

Nothing brings closure when a loved one is murdered.  it would let us know that the two sorry motherfuckers who stopped her life were no longer getting to steal the oxygen they deprived her of. 

Some call it revenge, some call it barbaric, I just call it the right thing to do in cases such as this.


Not to make light of a terrible personal tragedy but it is revenge and revenge is a terrible reason for anyone to do anything.

As a minor quibble the appelate decision you quote includes a mistake that should at least grant the men a new trial. It is absolutely impossible to say with certainty a DNA sample comes from any single person.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:27:14 PM   
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Why do you do this to yourself, Ken?  Just say he should die, or say that you were fibbing with that "kill them yourself" bullshit.  I'm sure there will be plenty of forensics, when a jury issues their verdict.  Lots of that good scientific stuff, where you place your blind faith.

Maybe wait.  Say he should die, when they convict him.  Commit to saying that now.  It should only be hard if you weren't sincere in your challenge.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:29:18 PM   
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Why do you do this to yourself, Ken?  Just say he should die, or say that you were fibbing with that "kill them yourself" bullshit.  I'm sure there will be plenty of forensics, when a jury issues their verdict.  Lots of that good scientific stuff, where you place your blind faith.

Maybe wait.  Say he should die, when they convict him.  Commit to saying that now.  It should only be hard if you weren't sincere in your challenge.

You apparently have trouble with English, odd for someone who claims he was a debater. Prove it and I'll kill him myself. You can't so I oppose the death penalty.

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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:29:59 PM   
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I added some paragraph breaks, but...

2 16 year olds broke in to the home of my 62 year old 5' tall, 98 pound aunt and beat her to death.  They stole money, they bragged about their crime to all their school mates and they used the money to get drugs and tattoos.

There was more than enough evidence and witnesses who saw them to prove 100% that they did it.  The fact that they are allowed to still breathe, and I have to help support their sorry asses makes me sick to my stomach.

I would gladly be the one to flip the switch and kill their sorry asses.



I am very sorry about that. I apologize if my former post came off as insensitive, I really didn't read it while it was one block.

Cases like that are tragic. Not to use your case for argumentative gain, but you do bring across the point that their deaths would be a form of closure.

Nothing brings closure when a loved one is murdered.  it would let us know that the two sorry motherfuckers who stopped her life were no longer getting to steal the oxygen they deprived her of. 

Some call it revenge, some call it barbaric, I just call it the right thing to do in cases such as this.


Not to make light of a terrible personal tragedy but it is revenge and revenge is a terrible reason for anyone to do anything.

As a minor quibble the appelate decision you quote includes a mistake that should at least grant the men a new trial. It is absolutely impossible to say with certainty a DNA sample comes from any single person.



I really hate loopholes like that. If the boys boasted about it with details only the killers could have known... there is no reason for a new trial.


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:33:04 PM   
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I never made such a comparison and never responded to a post of yours that mentioned Iran or China until you started making shit up about me.



The last time I'm going around with you on this. See Post #73. Before that there was nothing I responded to you about and I'm certainly not making shit up about you. Well except in secret, but I only whispered so how could you possibly know.



I even posted it for ya because if ya can't make it to 10 you'll never make it to 73.



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It's still comparing apples to oranges and I would still say it's a stretch. Here in the US it takes many years for a defendant to get to the point of execution with lawyers, appeals and all the rest of it. In Iran you don't have all of that. There is no presumption of innocence and people are put to death after the crime rather quickly, not to mention the absurd things that can get you a death sentence, hung in a public square, and sometimes in multiples, and if I'm not mistaken a crap load more per capita than here in the US. There is just no comparison.

I would call that barbaric.



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Are you familiar with with the Iranian legal system.

I'm not.

So can you educate me?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:34:32 PM   
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Prove he did it. Not supposition not his confession I want actual rigorous proof. If you don't know that nothing outside mathematics can be proven maybe you need to go study some logic.

That statement is so very very as PA puts it... WRONG

I have an ex who stole my credit/debit cards. Lovely thing about ATMs is they have cameras. I considered the pictorial evidence proof.
It sounds like you advocate crime, as you are unwilling to accept anything as proof, so all should go free.




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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:39:13 PM   
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I added some paragraph breaks, but...

2 16 year olds broke in to the home of my 62 year old 5' tall, 98 pound aunt and beat her to death.  They stole money, they bragged about their crime to all their school mates and they used the money to get drugs and tattoos.

There was more than enough evidence and witnesses who saw them to prove 100% that they did it.  The fact that they are allowed to still breathe, and I have to help support their sorry asses makes me sick to my stomach.

I would gladly be the one to flip the switch and kill their sorry asses.



I am very sorry about that. I apologize if my former post came off as insensitive, I really didn't read it while it was one block.

Cases like that are tragic. Not to use your case for argumentative gain, but you do bring across the point that their deaths would be a form of closure.

Nothing brings closure when a loved one is murdered.  it would let us know that the two sorry motherfuckers who stopped her life were no longer getting to steal the oxygen they deprived her of. 

Some call it revenge, some call it barbaric, I just call it the right thing to do in cases such as this.


Not to make light of a terrible personal tragedy but it is revenge and revenge is a terrible reason for anyone to do anything.

As a minor quibble the appelate decision you quote includes a mistake that should at least grant the men a new trial. It is absolutely impossible to say with certainty a DNA sample comes from any single person.


Give it up genius. Revenge is not the same thing as justice. See post #53


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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:39:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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I never made such a comparison and never responded to a post of yours that mentioned Iran or China until you started making shit up about me.



The last time I'm going around with you on this. See Post #73. Before that there was nothing I responded to you about and I'm certainly not making shit up about you. Well except in secret, but I only whispered so how could you possibly know.



I even posted it for ya because if ya can't make it to 10 you'll never make it to 73.



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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

It's still comparing apples to oranges and I would still say it's a stretch. Here in the US it takes many years for a defendant to get to the point of execution with lawyers, appeals and all the rest of it. In Iran you don't have all of that. There is no presumption of innocence and people are put to death after the crime rather quickly, not to mention the absurd things that can get you a death sentence, hung in a public square, and sometimes in multiples, and if I'm not mistaken a crap load more per capita than here in the US. There is just no comparison.

I would call that barbaric.



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Are you familiar with with the Iranian legal system.

I'm not.

So can you educate me?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?




Liar!
Post #73 was by RML not me

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

It's still comparing apples to oranges and I would still say it's a stretch. Here in the US it takes many years for a defendant to get to the point of execution with lawyers, appeals and all the rest of it. In Iran you don't have all of that. There is no presumption of innocence and people are put to death after the crime rather quickly, not to mention the absurd things that can get you a death sentence, hung in a public square, and sometimes in multiples, and if I'm not mistaken a crap load more per capita than here in the US. There is just no comparison.

I would call that barbaric.



Are you familiar with with the Iranian legal system.

I'm not.

So can you educate me?

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?



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RE: Perry on the death penalty cracked me up, how do yo... - 9/10/2011 3:40:46 PM   
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Liar!
Post #73 was by RML not me



You know, I think we got past that and already determined the who what wheres.
Your right, you weren't involved and nobody cares.


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