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9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/8/2011 8:03:33 PM

tweakabelle

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10 years have passed since the horrific 9/11 attacks on the US. Since that awful day, the world has been consumed with its consequences .....

We've seen the 'War on Terror', invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, Israeli invasions of Lebanon and Gaza, intermittent terrorist atrocities in Madrid London, throughout the Arab world and even as far away as India and Bali.

Tens of thousands of lives have been lost, billions of dollars have been spent. Al Quada and JI (Indonesia/SE Asia) seem spent as effective military and political forces. While Osama bin Laden, and most of AQ's leadership are either dead or captured, political Islamism seems stronger than ever. Hamas and Hezbollah are in Government in Gaza and Lebanon. The outcome of the Arab Spring is far from clear. Large swathes of Africa are now under Islamist control (Sudan, Ethiopia, ....). Palestine/Israel, the festering sore at the root of the whole mess, is as intractable as ever, as Israeli colonisation renders the Two State solution increasingly impossible.

10 years on, what has been achieved? In some views, the only unambiguous success has been preventing another large-scale attack on the US homeland. Have the results justified the costs, in terms of lives, dollars, restricted freedoms? Is the current strategy delivering results? Or is it time to re-consider strategy? Is there even an accurate consensus/understanding on why 9/11s happen?

10 years on, is life without terrorism a realistic possibility or an impossible dream?

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/9/2011 4:25:13 AM

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10 years on, is life without terrorism a realistic possibility or an impossible dream?

An impossibility I would say and that because we always seem to need an enemy to justify others actions and existence, and perhaps if others are not acting, then a poke now and again always seems to let us all know there is still a threat.

But of the terrorist why is it they attack people, not the entities that have enraged them, why is it the innocent suffer when the guilty hide away in feigned disgust.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/9/2011 4:43:49 AM

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I would say an idealistic possibility and probably not a realistic one. I wouldn't say it's an impossible dream either. However, even with saying all of that, I don't believe it will happen in our lifetime. As more people become aware, (and I do believe there are more aware people in the world now than at any time in the past, due, in part to global communication from the internet), more are aligning themselves with more peaceful and positive viewpoints. But I think it will take a few more generations for this to evolve to a point of no terrorism.

It's funny because, watching some of the programs on t.v. about 9/11, and seeing the news about tornado victims from earlier this year, as well as seeing news about those who endured the flooding from Hurricane Irene made it just so evident that during times of tragedy we, as human beings, come together and help one another. Yet when times are relatively good, we pick at each other and make judgements. And we fail to provide the compassion that is within us and seems to be expressed towards others only at times of great misfortune. How sad is it that it takes awful events to bring us together?

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/9/2011 9:48:38 PM

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Thanks DD for a fresh and original perspective.

And I agree that the worst of us can trigger the best of us. Wasn't the reaction of the Japanese people to the multiple horrors they endured - earthquake, tsunami and nuclear meltdowns - inspirational?

In some of the soul-searching that followed 9/11, there was a realisation that the long-term remedy to terrorism was political - it involved addressing the tangible social and political problems that prove to be such fertile grounds for fermenting terrorism.

It's difficult to see this sentiment in operation in the mires of Iraq, Afghanistan and the ME generally. Yet some of the most promising initiatives have sprung from the Arab/Muslim world that so many Westerners view with fear and distrust. The 'Arab Spring' (though far from being risk-free) has rejected the violence of the fanatics yet tries to find democratic solutions to many of the political problems that have bedevilled the Arab/Muslim world. The West has been a reluctant follower in this process.

Western attempts at 'imposing' democracy through military means have backfired disastrously. Iraq has been delivered into the Iranian sphere and Afghanistan is going backwards relentlessly. Progress towards solving the Palestinian issue has been non-existent - it too seems to be going backwards. The impetus towards political solutions is coming from the Arab street, not the 'enlightened' West. Even disgruntled Israeli citizens seem to be more influenced by the strategies of the 'Arab Spring' than the West. The West seems to have cornered itself into reliance on exclusively military strategies, repeating all the mistakes of past years.

Have the voices of good will been silenced by the war mongers in the West? Where did it all go so wrong?

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/9/2011 10:23:11 PM

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I don't believe there are any clear cut answers. I feel terrorism will escalate. And we do come together in the bad times. It was reported that criminal activity in the country was the lowest it had ever recorded on 9/11. Even the criminals took a day off.

Someone said if nothing else, we have to keep terrorism and war off of our homeland. I agree with that. Could you imagine hearing about a terrorists bomb killing people every week some where in America. If not us, then our childrens children?

Has it all been worth it? The lives invested, the money spent, the invasion of our privacy? Who knows. Seems to just bring more questions than answers.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/9/2011 11:05:15 PM

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It was reported that criminal activity in the country was the lowest it had ever recorded on 9/11. Even the criminals took a day off.

More likely that everyone was on heightened alert to anything out of the ordinary than any feeling of empathy or altruism.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/9/2011 11:20:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: anniezz338

It was reported that criminal activity in the country was the lowest it had ever recorded on 9/11. Even the criminals took a day off.

More likely that everyone was on heightened alert to anything out of the ordinary than any feeling of empathy or altruism.

Maybe and probably so. But the irony is not lost on me.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 11:43:26 AM

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God Bless all the families that suffered at 911. RIP the souls that went missing that day.

We'll see what happens by Who and to Whoever.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 12:55:07 PM

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I don't believe there are any clear cut answers. I feel terrorism will escalate. And we do come together in the bad times. It was reported that criminal activity in the country was the lowest it had ever recorded on 9/11. Even the criminals took a day off.

Someone said if nothing else, we have to keep terrorism and war off of our homeland. I agree with that. Could you imagine hearing about a terrorists bomb killing people every week some where in America. If not us, then our childrens children?

Has it all been worth it? The lives invested, the money spent, the invasion of our privacy? Who knows. Seems to just bring more questions than answers.

Yup, it would be *FAR* cheaper to secure our borders and start to vigorously enforce our immigration laws so why doesn't *our government* do it?
That's what we're *paying* them for and they're just not doing the job! It should be *extremely* difficult or next to immpossible to get into the U.S. illegally.
As it is now anyone from any one of a number of third world garbage cans with a grudge can just walk into our country and do a lot of damage!

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 1:29:09 PM

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"*extremely* difficult or next to impossible".....lol,did you really serve in the US coast guard ? Are you actually aware of how many miles of border and coastline we would need to secure to make that statement true.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 1:51:11 PM

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Slvemike, people like popeye seem to feel that if we brought all of our troops home and had them patrolling the borders with shoot to kill orders, not only would illegal immigration stop but so would drug trafficking.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 2:11:41 PM

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Well, not the drug trafficing.

T^T

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 2:51:46 PM

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jlf,I know what popeye,and those like him "feel"..... Hell I even have an opinion on the emotion driving that "feeling",I'm just trying to understand how someone who served in the US Coast Guard,and should therefore have some idea of the enormity of coastline and the ridiculousness of tryi g to completely(or even nearly so) securing such vast areas.
It boggles the mind that a supposed adult,with life experiences can believe such utter nonsense.....does he believ in the tooth fairy too?

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 2:56:46 PM

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We have the technology...
We have the capability to build the world's first uncrossable border,
We will be that country.
Better than we were before.
Better...stronger...securer...

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 3:01:13 PM

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We have the capability to build the world's first uncrossable border

It reminds me of the intro to the episodes of the series 'The six million dollar man'.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 3:02:40 PM

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We have the capability to build the world's first uncrossable border

It reminds me of the intro to the episodes of the series 'The six million dollar man'.

That was what randomly popped in my head reading everyone's posts.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 3:09:59 PM

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Yeah I got that right away......silly series,silly thought.....lol

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 3:39:16 PM

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Fine fine serious answer.
No. I do not believe there will ever be a world without terror. For us to get to the point where terrorism is impossible for individuals or groups working together, the government would have had to become terroristic on its own.
This was shown in small part with the patriot act, and the various ways in which people lost their rights due to a clamor to protect the citizenry.
Imagine how bad things would have to be for them to be able to succeed.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 4:15:33 PM

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Terrorism is insignificant. Cars and stupidity make more casualties in one day than all terrorists combined in twenty years. (It is a wild guess, but it cannot be far off.)

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/10/2011 4:59:16 PM

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Nothing to really say about that...but this one makes me cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElzITGC1LCg

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