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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:10:58 PM   
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I think you need a regular human beings dictionary
because your definition of democrat totaliitarianism is NOT the definition people with a clue use
Dont believe everything you think


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:17:55 PM   
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Global Warming = Democrat Totalitarianism
Environmentalism = Democrat Totalitarianism
High Taxes, High Regulation = Democrat Totalitarianism
Government programs that reward the unsuccessful paid for by the successful = Democrat Totalitarianism
National Single Payer Health Care = The Ultimate in left wing Democrat Totalitarianism coming soon
Population Control - Choosing who gets to breed (Conservatives need not apply) = Democrat Totalitarianism
Democrat Response to anyone who does not agree with them = Democrat Totalitarianism
787 Billion Dollar Stimulus program resultingi n 25 million unemployed = Democrat Totalitarianism
Public Education/Labor Unions = Democrat Totalitarianism (Or do you support a tax funded army of Conservative supporters in all fifty states courtesy of Uncle Sam?  No?  Hypocrisy thy name IS Democrat.)
New York City - Highest Taxes, Highest Regulations, Rated most Authoritarian City in the World. - BBC
Frankly, from where I sit, I am surprised we still have democrats, let along anyone who is silly enough to defend their failed and flawed policies.  

To easy.




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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:19:58 PM   
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Another spork profile.

Prolly that sub male from NJ......Rumson?

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:20:29 PM   
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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:26:14 PM   
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I really don't see this as a partisan issue either. And it could be a great topic of conversation. But some are so entrenched in their partisan beliefs that they think that everything in life is either due to the conservatives or the liberals, the democrats or the republicans.

I agree that there is too much information in too many places for this to happen in this day & age. And I have some issues with the facial recognition software, the GPS in the cellphones that show where I am at any given moment of any given day, the coding on credit cards that do the same, the grocery discount cards that track what I spend my money on, & most of all, the medical records being computerized. When I hear that Kaiser commercial where they tell me this is an improvement, I just shudder!! And if the store insists that I have to give them information to get a discount card, I always falsify it on general principal.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:27:03 PM   
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Oh, I dunno, Lucy.  If you get into the details of what the radical enviroloonies would have us do to "save the planet," there is a whole lot of totalitarian babble going on, with a nice example being the pronouncement that "the debate is over."

Whoever "baa-aaad" is another book, though.  The question isn't which side might grab the reins, but whether we are coming to place where having such reins is a realistic possibility.

Individual storage, on personal computers, was mentioned, but when you connect to the internet, the internet also connects to you, right? 

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:35:38 PM   
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I really don't see this as a partisan issue either. And it could be a great topic of conversation. But some are so entrenched in their partisan beliefs that they think that everything in life is either due to the conservatives or the liberals, the democrats or the republicans.

I agree that there is too much information in too many places for this to happen in this day & age. And I have some issues with the facial recognition software, the GPS in the cellphones that show where I am at any given moment of any given day, the coding on credit cards that do the same, the grocery discount cards that track what I spend my money on, & most of all, the medical records being computerized. When I hear that Kaiser commercial where they tell me this is an improvement, I just shudder!! And if the store insists that I have to give them information to get a discount card, I always falsify it on general principal.


I especially mix up my phone number.  I do not want any robo calls.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:38:40 PM   
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Right....

There`s a central totalitarian authority controlling the world`s scientific community.......making them say..... the world`s climate is changing.


Did Al Gore invent that too,debate champ?


What else does your rice crispys tell you?

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:43:41 PM   
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There`s a central totalitarian authority controlling the world`s scientific community.......making them say..... the world`s climate is changing.


AGREED

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:46:11 PM   
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Explained here.

Opperation Streisand.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:52:13 PM   
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LOL.  I always lose those little grocery store cards, Linnea and end up keying in the phone number for the discount.  Of course, it's the phone number where I lived 6 years ago, and the account was never in my name anyway.

The tracking technology we have today, along with the video capture and analysis capabilities make the complete surveillance aspect of the book all too available.  You'd still need watchers, and watchers for the watchers, but all you'd need was a political climate where it could be ramped up to a full scale use.  Carrying cell phones around all the time would be very helpful of us.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:54:26 PM   
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LOL.  I always lose those little grocery store cards, Linnea and end up keying in the phone number for the discount.  Of course, it's the phone number where I lived 6 years ago, and the account was never in my name anyway.

The tracking technology we have today, along with the video capture and analysis capabilities make the complete surveillance aspect of the book all too available.  You'd still need watchers, and watchers for the watchers, but all you'd need was a political climate where it could be ramped up to a full scale use.  Carrying cell phones around all the time would be very helpful of us.


I don`t recall you posting outrage when Rupert Murdock spied on crime victims for juicy tips?


Is your outrage conditional?

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 6:59:53 PM   
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Oh, I dunno, Lucy.  If you get into the details of what the radical enviroloonies would have us do to "save the planet," there is a whole lot of totalitarian babble going on, with a nice example being the pronouncement that "the debate is over."
Lots of babble going on, is not the same as totalitarianism. only in paranoiacs minds
Im an environmentalist, I dont believe everything of the "info or babble or beliefs" its far from being even partialism, be honest. The same way could be said of womens rights, being taken away by religious righties, Im more concerned about that than being FORCED to recycle.


Whoever "baa-aaad" is another book, though.  The question isn't which side might grab the reins, but whether we are coming to place where having such reins is a realistic possibility. The more people there are, the more rules will be applied... doesnt matter where you are.
with such a huge population, someone is going to have to have reins, that that escapes many on the right is beyond puzzling
Individual storage, on personal computers, was mentioned, but when you connect to the internet, the internet also connects to you, right? 
All my customer accounts, personal stuff, are on a non connected computer. it never is connected to the interwebs.
Ive been hacked, had the website hacked and probably spied upon, its part of the game, if you have to learn the hard way, you either never touch the computer again or you take steps to lessen your risks.
Im out and proud, my family friends and down to my younger family members know that aunty/cousin Lucy is eccentric and my business is adult. Because of immigration, security in the UK US and Canada are aware of my proclivities, and I dont need to explain myself, to anyone. Im lucky but I still dont trust to luck


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 7:02:36 PM   
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LOL.  I always lose those little grocery store cards, Linnea and end up keying in the phone number for the discount.  Of course, it's the phone number where I lived 6 years ago, and the account was never in my name anyway.

The tracking technology we have today, along with the video capture and analysis capabilities make the complete surveillance aspect of the book all too available.  You'd still need watchers, and watchers for the watchers, but all you'd need was a political climate where it could be ramped up to a full scale use.  Carrying cell phones around all the time would be very helpful of us.


I don`t recall you posting outrage when Rupert Murdock spied on crime victims for juicy tips?


Is your outrage conditional?


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 7:04:29 PM   
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He`s pissed that the hot 20 year olds he`s chacing on CM turn out to be fakes,after countless c-mails.........damm internetz!

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 7:24:11 PM   
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Thanks for the edit, Lucy.  That's much better now. 

Are you classing yourself with the radical enviroloonies, or the power-mad greedheads like Gore?  I'm speaking of the fringe, not the mainstream.

On your point about the reins, I think misunderstanding is the problem again.  You seem to be talking about the reins of power, while I meant reins on the flow of information, and who decides what is "true."

You make a good point about computers that never get connected to the net.  Of course, downloading the information to transfer to them, would probably get the Ministry of Love interested anyway. 

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 7:28:48 PM   
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Playing with the potential results from the search engines is one those creepy little things, Sanity. 


Already done.  Google is censoring their search results in China.  Google also "plays with the potential results", as you put it, to balance the usefulness of the search from the engine with the placement of paying advertisers.  You might argue that private sector clients paying to skew results is not as bad as the government doing the same thing, but either way, the results are for sale.


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 7:32:50 PM   
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Ive been called a communist loony so being classed as a rad is hardly an insult or true:)
when people dont know the meanings behind their words says more about them than me.
Yep misunderstanding :) there is too much reining of info, usually by cost...:) let alone by the PTB, wether its my government or yours or some 15 year old hacking a site so no one can access it.
true.. regarding downloading in the first place. but again, the ministry of love is well aware of my likely proclivities now, and Im still not in a camp and able to cross borders without any hassle.
and believe me Ive looked at some very questionable material in the last 15 years
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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 7:42:32 PM   
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You might argue that private sector clients paying to skew results is not as bad as the government doing the same thing, but either way, the results are for sale.




I would argue that, Steve, but as a matter of degree.  It seems like Google used to put the paid hits in a separate results box at the top of the page, while now, they are right there with the others, and the first three or four links all want to take me the same (SLOW) site that will happily sell me the song I want the correct lyrics to.



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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/11/2011 9:17:20 PM   
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Global Warming = Democrat Totalitarianism
Environmentalism = Democrat Totalitarianism
High Taxes, High Regulation = Democrat Totalitarianism
Government programs that reward the unsuccessful paid for by the successful = Democrat Totalitarianism
National Single Payer Health Care = The Ultimate in left wing Democrat Totalitarianism coming soon
Population Control - Choosing who gets to breed (Conservatives need not apply) = Democrat Totalitarianism
Democrat Response to anyone who does not agree with them = Democrat Totalitarianism
787 Billion Dollar Stimulus program resultingi n 25 million unemployed = Democrat Totalitarianism
Public Education/Labor Unions = Democrat Totalitarianism (Or do you support a tax funded army of Conservative supporters in all fifty states courtesy of Uncle Sam?  No?  Hypocrisy thy name IS Democrat.)
New York City - Highest Taxes, Highest Regulations, Rated most Authoritarian City in the World. - BBC
Frankly, from where I sit, I am surprised we still have democrats, let along anyone who is silly enough to defend their failed and flawed policies.  

To easy.



Yes. Childish gibberish is too easy ... any 5 year old can manage it. Some 5 year olds even manage to correctly spell 'too' with two 'o's. Do try to set your standards a little higher.

Any one who indulges in such absurd hyperbole as 'New York is the "most Authoritarian City in the World", or that 'a healthcare system equates to totalitarianism' is either woefully misinformed, grossly ignorant or has a serious problem interpreting reality (a very common characteristic of the looney Right). Have you ever been to Pyongyang? Have you ever heard of Pyongyang (it's the capital of Nth Korea)? This level of imbecility would be charmingly forgiveable in a 5 year old. But in an adult ....?

Regarding the OP, perhaps theHeretic might like to explain why power concentrated in democratic Govts is inherently bad, but the same powers in the hands of large corporations isn't worthy of examination, analysis or comment. Is it inherently good? Does he believe that large corporations (which show all the symptoms that, in an individual, would earn the label clinical psychopath) are benevolent entities operating for the common good?

Why is it OK for a billionaires and their corporations to do something, when a Govt doing the same thing is demonised? Govts are subject to democratic control at the ballot box. What kind of democratic control is there over the power and behaviour of large corporations? How did you go last time you told Exxon or Goldman Sachs or Citibank or Google what to do?

If knowledge/information is power, then Google could be the scariest thing around wouldn't you say?

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