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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 6:43:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		McVeigh was in the "militia" movement,the part of the militia movement that`s into white supremacy and killing evil gubment ZOG members.....


Which makes him a right wing nut.




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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 8:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. But I am not going into that here and now. He was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane. But that would be your problem. I really shouldn't have bothered to respond because it's better you all just think what you think.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 9:03:16 PM   
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He was not insane by any stretch



Agreed, Termy, but he was very, very wrong in what he believed, and very, very evil, in where those beliefs led him.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 9:07:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's plenty worse evil than that. What's more is nobody wonders why. If people would stop to consider why it would be less likely to happen again, but the way things are I am sure it will.

I don't want to persue this in this thread.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 10:20:04 PM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane


Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Like all racists, they're a bunch of ignorant hate driven bigots. Their sole useful contribution to society is to act as objects of derision. Fortunately they're dying off generation by generation. Though alas, the putrid smell of their hate lingers......

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 10:33:40 PM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane


Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Like all racists, they're a bunch of ignorant hate driven bigots. Their sole useful contribution to society is to act as objects of derision. Fortunately they're dying off generation by generation. Though alas, the putrid smell of their hate lingers......


Your perfume must be very strong to hide your own stench.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 10:46:36 PM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane


Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Like all racists, they're a bunch of ignorant hate driven bigots. Their sole useful contribution to society is to act as objects of derision. Fortunately they're dying off generation by generation. Though alas, the putrid smell of their hate lingers......


Your perfume must be very strong to hide your own stench.

Now now Willbur, I've told you to get back to me AFTER you've completed your therapy. So I don't want to hear from you for a year or two.

If you're bored go and play with your war toys.

And welcome to ignore (your status until therapy is complete). Best wishes for a full recovery - stick at it. I know it's going to be a long and difficult (tortuous even) process for you.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/13/2011 10:53:40 PM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane


Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Like all racists, they're a bunch of ignorant hate driven bigots. Their sole useful contribution to society is to act as objects of derision. Fortunately they're dying off generation by generation. Though alas, the putrid smell of their hate lingers......


Your perfume must be very strong to hide your own stench.


Defensive ehh?

Why would her comments on bigots do that to you?

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 12:22:42 AM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane

Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Actually, there is almost always a rational basis in people's minds for the beliefs and behaviors that others regard as insane. Unfortunately for those who worship reason, it offers no immunity to insanity when one's premises are false.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 1:18:59 AM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane


Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Like all racists, they're a bunch of ignorant hate driven bigots. Their sole useful contribution to society is to act as objects of derision. Fortunately they're dying off generation by generation. Though alas, the putrid smell of their hate lingers......


Unless they're Arabs. Then the supremacist bullshit, hatred and beliefs are apparently not only sane, but are so worthy, that those they hate must be branded as criminals and bullies.

You're right a stench lingers.


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 4:04:17 AM   
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Someone mention archiving the internet ?

Funny, I notice some webpages that don't allow rightclick, it took me a minute to figure out how to do it. That was years ago. So not long ago I upgraded my browser. In the old browser when I went to save a page it would sometimes say "This page may not sve correctly" but it went ahead and saved it. Well in this "better" browser I went to save a page from the county recorder's office about a property on the east side. Looked good until I tried to biew the stored page. the page I tried to save had the data on the property, the browsert however saved the search page. I tried it a few times with the same results.

If I hadn't checked, I would not have the page. Since I did and found our that it wouldn't do it I did the next best thing, I pasted it into Microsoft Word. Displays it pretty good :-)

T^T


The Way Back Machine project already does some archiving. How useful it is, is another story. Search abilities are limited, and pretty much, you have to have a link to follow. Having said that, ALL data is archived somewhere. A firm with no disaster recovery policy these days is usually one that is mostly name and run from someone's garage. Even so, if they are attached to the internet, the data they have exposed to the world is archived for them.

The question isn't whether or not we have the technology. We do or at the very least, are close to being able to. The question is more based around capital and political will/ability. As well, the initial process would not be flawless, but would mature on-going to where most of what you see or read electronically could be monitored and altered. Of course, there will always be people who figure out workarounds.


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 4:32:06 AM   
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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 5:40:47 AM   
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In the age we live in though, with the developments coming into play, and all the records going to electronic storage, do you think this aspect of Orwell's nightmare vision might soon become possible?  Forget the pneumatic tubes and printing presses, substitute "he completed his upload, and pressed 'submit' to send the corrective cloud crawler program in its way."



Here is an interesting article/bloggie thingie for you:

http://www.fantasticalandrewfox.com/articles/absence-of-9-11-from-science-fiction/

The author does admit that he needs to go back and add in a couple more authors.

Something that is noticed, however, is that other than self-publishing and some e-books, only one publishing house is willing to publish works dealing with global jihad and 9-11. That would be Baen. Of course Baen publishes military sci-fi, so I am not sure if that is the difference or not.

I know that you are specifically referring to the web, but with the amount of e-publishing going on, this kind of fits.

So. . . would "the truth" need to be censored by the government only or is there some type of censorship happening on the level of publishing houses as well? (And it works both ways, no futuristic jihads in sci-fi but America is evil promoted in children's textbooks.) And is that government controlled or an outside influence?

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 6:00:32 AM   
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[McVeigh] was not insane by any stretch unless you think all White separatists are insane


Please don't tell me you think white (or any other variety of racist) supremacists are actually sane T ^ T. There's no rational basis for their hate or behaviour or beliefs.

Like all racists, they're a bunch of ignorant hate driven bigots. Their sole useful contribution to society is to act as objects of derision. Fortunately they're dying off generation by generation. Though alas, the putrid smell of their hate lingers......


Your perfume must be very strong to hide your own stench.


Defensive ehh?

Why would her comments on bigots do that to you?


Not the least bit defensive, just an observation. Why? Because I hate bigots who hide behind the word.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 6:05:19 AM   
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Thats precisely the kind of thing I had in mind when I wrote

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Rather, I see everything going digital, with a gradual interlinking of every database that there is and efforts made to include various controls in the developing media types. Perhaps not all under centralized control immediately, but having about the same effect as far as the individual is concerned.


Earlier in the thread


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 6:27:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The two scariest books of fiction I ever read:

1984 by George Orwell
It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis

And, to some extent, they are both now becoming non-fiction.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 7:15:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link, Aylee.  

Books are going digital, too.  I'd consider the online libraries, a starting place, if such an effort was launched.  Wasn't there a book that was deleted by an update from peoples individual reader devices?

I haven't picked up a tablet/reader yet.  If it goes anything like the way my music collection has since getting an i-pod, it will be all digital, all the time. 

Do you recall the Huckleberry Finn thing from earlier this year?  Suppose Congress banned any use of the word in question there, and an update changed everything in my library?


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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 7:28:30 PM   
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Thanks for the link, Aylee.  

Books are going digital, too.  I'd consider the online libraries, a starting place, if such an effort was launched.  Wasn't there a book that was deleted by an update from peoples individual reader devices?

I haven't picked up a tablet/reader yet.  If it goes anything like the way my music collection has since getting an i-pod, it will be all digital, all the time. 

Do you recall the Huckleberry Finn thing from earlier this year?  Suppose Congress banned any use of the word in question there, and an update changed everything in my library?



Yes, I do recall the Huck Finn thing.

As far as the readers go, I think it would depend on what kind you had. Before the battery in my Kobo died and I was using it, you could not change a downloaded book. It was not interactive. One of the web accessible ones (3G/4G-wifi thing) may be possible to change.

I would think that you could just use a giant find word / replace word program like Microsoft Office has.

The Feds can take down porn sites and such. What you could do with the find/replace is basically slip something pornographic onto a site, slip a tip to the Feds, and then let the official organs come in and do your dirty work. How paranoid does that sound?

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 8:09:17 PM   
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Unless they're Arabs. Then the supremacist bullshit, hatred and beliefs are apparently not only sane, but are so worthy, that those they hate must be branded as criminals and bullies.


Diametrically wrong. Stranger

Principled opposition to the racist apartheid regime Israel operates to maintain its occupation of Palestine is one of the primary factors that underlie my, and many others' criticisms of current Israeli policy. Those critics include a sizeable section of Israel's Jewish and the diaspora population.

It's worth noting in passing that South Africa recently found that occupation regime to be an apartheid regime. How else can one interpret different roads, land, rights, legal systems, justice human rights purely on the basis of race/identity (which is what happens in the West Bank) other than an apartheid regime? It is acknowledged and named as such by many Israelis disgusted with the policies of their own government.

The hate and racism in this instance - in your point blank refusal to even recognise the existence of the indigenous population - is all yours. Own it.

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RE: 1984: Do we have the technology for "truth?&q... - 9/14/2011 8:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Coming from someone who lives in the surveillance nation, 1984 is in a lot of people's minds, and here the police are often referred to as the creature that policed in Animal Farm. But the surveillance nation had it's first glimpse of the true power of the glass eye with these past riots in some cities in the UK, for how much footage of the riotous behaviour was presented to the British public to meet with their disapproval and there perhaps give the establishment what it always dreamed of, the mob demanding more control of itself. As to remember even those that do not ally themselves with those that rioted, they are to the establishment part of the mob, i.e. no distinction, them versus us, master and slave.

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