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Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 2:28:59 AM)

I'm not intolerant of your opinion, I'm just right and you're just wrong is all.

Now. like I said before, shut up and deal with it.



tazzygirl -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 2:30:40 AM)

rofl

and you are who to tell me what to do?

do please try again... I find this extremely amusing. [:D]



tazzygirl -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 2:36:38 AM)

To the OP

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And it seems reasonable to assume that a woman who actively craves dominance in a man would, if anything, be more inclined than women in general to feel an instinctive revulsion for a man who had been forced into submission himself--and not just submission, but submission of the most degrading kind.


Actually, its not reasonable to assume that. Someone forced is not submitting in this case, its survival. Takes strength within a person to want to survive. Something to admire, in my opinion.



gungadin09 -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 2:47:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Sexual preferences don't count as bigotry
No, sorry Pam, you're wrong in this case.


No need to be sorry.

pam



mons -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:10:26 AM)

I do not share anything, but that is me!  I would not ever see a person whom is a victim '
of crime any other way but as a person, whom will need help, it does not go away but
with a therapist help they can heal!  So a dom or submissve is still strong after anything
such as mention in the op words!  They would be stronger also I am!!!

Mons



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:11:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Sexual preferences don't count as bigotry
No, sorry Pam, you're wrong in this case.


No, she isn't. Our sexual preferences are predetermined. If your argument held any validity, then it implies that homosexuality is a choice. It isn't. Bigotry is a choice based on learned attitudes.



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:13:49 AM)

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Bigotry is a choice based on learned attitudes.
Exactly!! And that is why she is wrong. Bisexuality is an indiscernible trait, therefore one must learn to dislike it.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:20:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Bigotry is a choice based on learned attitudes.
Exactly!! And that is why she is wrong. Bisexuality is an indiscernible trait, therefore one must learn to dislike it.


You didn't read the first part of my post. Sexual preferences are not choices.

Edited to add:

And it isn't a matter of "disliking" it. It's a matter of what a person is sexually attracted to.



gungadin09 -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:23:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Bigotry is a choice based on learned attitudes.
Exactly!! And that is why she is wrong. Bisexuality is an indiscernible trait, therefore one must learn to dislike it.


Are You saying only prejudice against discernible traits counts as bigotry? What is a discernible trait? How of curiosity, how do You respond to the "i wouldn't submit to a fat Dominant" threads?

pam



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:25:09 AM)

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Sexual preferences are not choices.
Oh I did, but I didn't reference it because the anti bisexual thing isn't a sexual preference. It is bigotry, it is rejecting a person based on an invisible and undiscernable ability to find a person sexy. See, it can't be a sexual preference because it is an irrational rejection of a possibility rather than an actuality.



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:29:46 AM)

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Are You saying only prejudice against discernible traits counts as bigotry?
Noooo...just the opposite.
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What is a discernible trait?
As Greedy would say...*blink* I would hazard a guess that it is a trait that one can discern...but I might be mistaken.
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How of curiosity, how do You respond to the "i wouldn't submit to a fat Dominant" threads?
That would depend on the reason for the rejection. If it were that fat people turned him/her off, then it is a sexual preference. If it is because they think that by definition being fat means one isn't dominant, then it is bigotry and stupidity to boot.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:32:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Sexual preferences are not choices.
Oh I did, but I didn't reference it because the anti bisexual thing isn't a sexual preference. It is bigotry, it is rejecting a person based on an invisible and undiscernable ability to find a person sexy. See, it can't be a sexual preference because it is an irrational rejection of a possibility rather than an actuality.


You have your point of view on this, and I have mine. I don't agree with your reasoning. I don't see how you would view not being attracted to a bisexual man as being bigotry. She didn't say she is "anti-bisexual". She is stating she is not attracted to bisexual men. How you can ever equate a lack of attraction to bigotry is beyond me.



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:33:52 AM)

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It's a matter of what a person is sexually attracted to.
You can't be sexually attracted or repelled by something that is invisible and only exists as a possibility. That requires conscious thought to do. So, if you are "turned off" by a person being bisexual, then you have chosen to be so, based on an irrational set of ideas that allows you to attach non-existent negative characteristics to what is a perfectly neutral trait.



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:38:22 AM)

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She is stating she is not attracted to bisexual men. How you can ever equate a lack of attraction to bigotry is beyond me.
Actually the one who first started the whole discussion stated that she wouldn't consider a bisexual man because they always leave their women for a man.

And the lack of attraction is bigotry because it is for something that doesn't actually exist, it is for a possibility. It is saying "I find you unattractive because you might one day think a man is sexy." that takes conscious thought to formulate an idea like that.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:42:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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She is stating she is not attracted to bisexual men. How you can ever equate a lack of attraction to bigotry is beyond me.
Actually the one who first started the whole discussion stated that she wouldn't consider a bisexual man because they always leave their women for a man.

And the lack of attraction is bigotry because it is for something that doesn't actually exist, it is for a possibility. It is saying "I find you unattractive because you might one day think a man is sexy." that takes conscious thought to formulate an idea like that.



You're making a lot of assumptions with that last sentence.

You have a better shot at arguing that not being attracted to a bisexual man is a learned behaviour. (Not that I would necessarily agree with that argument either, but I wouldn't exclude the possibility.) But it isn't bigoted. Bigoted suggests intolerance.



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:50:01 AM)

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You have a better shot at arguing that not being attracted to a bisexual man is a learned behaviour.
I don't see how that is any different than what i said. When you "learn" something, you make a conscious decision to accept it as true.

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Bigoted suggests intolerance.
And you don't see rejecting a person on the basis that he might be able to find a man sexy as being intolerant? Meh, I guess they don't speak English in Hawaii .



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:52:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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You have a better shot at arguing that not being attracted to a bisexual man is a learned behaviour.
I don't see how that is any different than what i said. When you "learn" something, you make a conscious decision to accept it as true.

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Bigoted suggests intolerance.
And you don't see rejecting a person on the basis that he might be able to find a man sexy as being intolerant? Meh, I guess they don't speak English in Hawaii .




I'd reject a guy if he had bad oral hygiene and rotting teeth! So I'm a bigot because of that? It's the same rationale.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:53:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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It's a matter of what a person is sexually attracted to.
You can't be sexually attracted or repelled by something that is invisible and only exists as a possibility. That requires conscious thought to do. So, if you are "turned off" by a person being bisexual, then you have chosen to be so, based on an irrational set of ideas that allows you to attach non-existent negative characteristics to what is a perfectly neutral trait.



You can't be sexually attracted or repelled by something that is invisible?  I so disagree with that statement, and so does science. Human sexual attraction is strongly influenced by non-visible cues.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2052

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/10/science/10smell.html

I wish I could have found some more recent articles, there have been some good ones, unfortunately my search engine was clogged up with all the sites selling pheromones.










zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:54:21 AM)

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You're making a lot of assumptions with that last sentence.


No he isn't. Des stated loud and clear that she couldn't be with a bisexual man because he would no doubt leave her for a woman. At best it shows lack of understanding of what bisexuality is.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 3:57:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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You're making a lot of assumptions with that last sentence.


No he isn't. Des stated loud and clear that she couldn't be with a bisexual man because he would no doubt leave her for a woman. At best it shows lack of understanding of what bisexuality is.


He made that statement as a generality. And in that case, it is a huge assumption to believe that any woman who would not want to be with a bisexual man is going to think that way.



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