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zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:49:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myotherself quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery what is wrong with You. Do you not know the Irish are WORLD FAMOUS for their camraderie, we are one of the most friendliest nations on the earth. We beat the arrogant stuck up Brits any day of the week kevin Ooooh, got a chip on your shoulder? Or is that a whole potato? Why would he put a french fry (as they're called here) on his shoulder?

lobodomslavery -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:51:06 AM)
Well you have got to admit some British people do have a superiority complex when it comes to Ireland. apologies to you if you dont but some do kevin

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:51:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myotherself quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery what is wrong with You. Do you not know the Irish are WORLD FAMOUS for their camraderie, we are one of the most friendliest nations on the earth. We beat the arrogant stuck up Brits any day of the week kevin Ooooh, got a chip on your shoulder? Or is that a whole potato? OMG mos!!!! I hope I'm not waking my neighbours!!! LMAO Gawd you crack me up!!!!

myotherself -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:57:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: myotherself quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery what is wrong with You. Do you not know the Irish are WORLD FAMOUS for their camraderie, we are one of the most friendliest nations on the earth. We beat the arrogant stuck up Brits any day of the week kevin Ooooh, got a chip on your shoulder? Or is that a whole potato? Why would he put a french fry (as they're called here) on his shoulder? The first part is a common British phrase. The second half was a veiled reference to the Irish potato famine of 1740, which a small minority of Irish people (although not many, cos most are all growed up and have moved on in the last couple of centuries) still blame the British for.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:59:30 AM)
quote: I have to disagree with you here. I am not attracted to men who are blonde, nor am I attracted to men who do not have a beard. Never have been, never will be. I would not be able to have a relationship with a man who had been in a relationship or a one night stand with another man. Why? Hellifiknow. It just turns me off. That in no way influences the friendships I have with the gay people I have in my life, both male and female. We are turned on and turned off by what turns us on and off. It simply is what it is, and not always a phobia or bigotry. Hi JAS, welcome to the thread. If you take the time to read through the whole thread, you will see that all the points you have raised have been dealt with several times over. I'll save you the trouble though, and just cut to the chase. You're wrong. If you wish to know why, then rerad through the thread, I can't be bothered typing it all out again for you. As some quick evidence of the incorrectness of your position, I refer you to this post: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850870

tj444 -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:00:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD Perhaps tj can enlighten us as to whether she was speaking of being open in a sexual manner or a non-sexual manner. when i say open to a relationship i mean a sexual-living-together-forever-and-fucking-our-brains-out kinda relationship, friendship is different and i dont refer to those as relationships even tho they are a variation.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:00:37 AM)
quote: Why don't you kids come inside for some nice lemonade and pie? Because we're having fun out here Mommy.

Epytropos -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:02:13 AM)
I realize I'm taking a step back here, but I do so like to read my own writing that I'm going to take a moment to do it anyway. The thing about beliefs is that they are all a product of factors we cannot control. We cannot wake up one day and decide to believe something. Our beliefs are a product of our education, our upbringing, our genetic predispositions, and our experiences. In a deterministic system we are a victim of causality, a creature born of the orderly chain of cause and effect. If we accept that people are not responsible for their bigotry because they come by it genetically (which I disagree with in some ways) do we not then have to accept that they are not responsible for murder, theft, or any other crime they may commit?

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:03:31 AM)
JstAnotherSub: My advice to you is to just ignore Arpig. He's quite obstinate when he believes he's right. ;)

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:05:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD Perhaps tj can enlighten us as to whether she was speaking of being open in a sexual manner or a non-sexual manner. when i say open to a relationship i mean a sexual-living-together-forever-and-fucking-our-brains-out kinda relationship, friendship is different and i dont refer to those as relationships even tho they are a variation. Thanks for responding tj. :) You confirmed what I felt you meant in your earlier post.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:06:18 AM)
Arpig, more like, Arwrong. ololol Don't mind me, I just enjoy watching people self-destruct.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:06:27 AM)
quote: The first part is a common British phrase. The second half was a veiled reference to the Irish potato famine of 1740, which a small minority of Irish people (although not many, cos most are all growed up and have moved on in the last couple of centuries) still blame the British for [:D] I know bunny, it was just a sad, sad joke on my part.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:09:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD JstAnotherSub: My advice to you is to just ignore Arpig. He's quite obstinate when he believes he's right. ;) As are you and me and a whole bunch of people here. ~shrugs~

myotherself -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:12:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth [:D] I know bunny, it was just a sad, sad joke on my part. Doh!!! Some days humour has to be clearly signposted to me...[:D] wanders off to go eat worms

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:13:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD JstAnotherSub: My advice to you is to just ignore Arpig. He's quite obstinate when he believes he's right. ;) As are you and me and a whole bunch of people here. ~shrugs~ Please don't speak for me. If someone presents me with coherent reasoning and a point of view I'd never considered before, my opinion can be changed and it has been changed in the past. I simply don't dismiss every valid argument as false because I "have" to be right. And I don't tell people to "shut the fuck up" either.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:16:58 AM)
quote: But a bias against a gender preference (e.g. being biased against a homosexual person) is not the same as sexual preference. Sexual preference and what you have described as gender preference bias are two different things. No shit Einstein! You do realise that you have just agreed with my main supporting point in the bolded section, right? Now, just follow along carefully....according to you, a bias against a gender preference is not a sexual preference. Therefore, if you do not want a relationship (a bias against) with a bisexual (a gender preference), what you are dealing with is not a sexual preference. I'm glad you have finally seen the light. quote: And you can't say it isn't genetic. What is a result of our genetics and what is a result of our environment in terms of our choices in life is still ongoing in studies. To make an unequivocal statement like that is rather arrogant. No it's not. It's common sense. If having a bias for or against a gender preference were genetic then it would not be alterable. However, as I pointed out, and as TJ has confirmed, a bias regarding a gender preference can indeed be changed...ergo, it is not genetic.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:28:54 AM)
quote: Once again, your opinion, there are no facts there. Lets see, 1. I say you are stupid, you say there is no factual evidence. 2. A little later you say something stupid and I refer to that as more of the factual evidence you claim I don't have. 3. You respond to say that the factual evidence remark was in reference to my remark about your intelligence and that I am twisting words when I wasn't (See point 2 for details) and refer to this as yet more factual evidence of your intellectual shortcomings 4. You reply to say there are no facts....please note points 1-4 for a concise listing of the facts that you deny exist. quote: You made an implication both about sexual preferences and about my comment. I didn't mentio sexual preferences in the post you were disputing. Sorry. quote: But that is aside from the majority of our debate. You say that "excluding a person for bisexuality is NOT a sexual preference" A point you agree with. see the following post for evidence of this agreement. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850979

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:32:22 AM)
quote: You and I have differing definitions of what constitutes "educated". Apparently we do, i use the word to mean what it means, and you don't. quote: Sometimes, when reading your posts, I get the impression you alter your meaning in order to make it appear that everyone else is at fault in not "getting" your version. Everytime I read your posts I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have absolutely no idea what you are replying to, or what you are saying. For evidence of this, please see this post: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850979

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:33:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: I have to disagree with you here. I am not attracted to men who are blonde, nor am I attracted to men who do not have a beard. Never have been, never will be. I would not be able to have a relationship with a man who had been in a relationship or a one night stand with another man. Why? Hellifiknow. It just turns me off. That in no way influences the friendships I have with the gay people I have in my life, both male and female. We are turned on and turned off by what turns us on and off. It simply is what it is, and not always a phobia or bigotry. Hi JAS, welcome to the thread. If you take the time to read through the whole thread, you will see that all the points you have raised have been dealt with several times over. I'll save you the trouble though, and just cut to the chase. You're wrong. If you wish to know why, then rerad through the thread, I can't be bothered typing it all out again for you. As some quick evidence of the incorrectness of your position, I refer you to this post: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850870 I did read the entire thread, and I am ok with you thinking I am wrong. My opinion is thinking all bisexual men are horrid creatures who should be shunned=prejudice and bigotry. Knowing that I could not be turned on by a bisexual man in a sexual way, but having no problems with them in any other way=my preference. Same for blonde men, clean shaven men. You are welcome to you opinion, but please do not try to discount mine just because it is different from yours. You can not know how I and others come to the conclusions that we do, because you have not lived our lives and you are not in our heads. Why is it so hard for you to just say "Well, I see things differently, but you are entitled to see things differently than I". It really is not an attack on you and all you stand for to be disagreed with yanno.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:36:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: But a bias against a gender preference (e.g. being biased against a homosexual person) is not the same as sexual preference. Sexual preference and what you have described as gender preference bias are two different things. No shit Einstein! You do realise that you have just agreed with my main supporting point in the bolded section, right? Now, just follow along carefully....according to you, a bias against a gender preference is not a sexual preference. Therefore, if you do not want a relationship (a bias against) with a bisexual (a gender preference), what you are dealing with is not a sexual preference. I'm glad you have finally seen the light. quote: And you can't say it isn't genetic. What is a result of our genetics and what is a result of our environment in terms of our choices in life is still ongoing in studies. To make an unequivocal statement like that is rather arrogant. No it's not. It's common sense. If having a bias for or against a gender preference were genetic then it would not be alterable. However, as I pointed out, and as TJ has confirmed, a bias regarding a gender preference can indeed be changed...ergo, it is not genetic. quote: quote: But a bias against a gender preference (e.g. being biased against a homosexual person) is not the same as sexual preference. Sexual preference and what you have described as gender preference bias are two different things. No shit Einstein! You do realise that you have just agreed with my main supporting point in the bolded section, right? Now, just follow along carefully....according to you, a bias against a gender preference is not a sexual preference. Therefore, if you do not want a relationship (a bias against) with a bisexual (a gender preference), what you are dealing with is not a sexual preference. I'm glad you have finally seen the light. quote: And you can't say it isn't genetic. What is a result of our genetics and what is a result of our environment in terms of our choices in life is still ongoing in studies. To make an unequivocal statement like that is rather arrogant. No it's not. It's common sense. If having a bias for or against a gender preference were genetic then it would not be alterable. However, as I pointed out, and as TJ has confirmed, a bias regarding a gender preference can indeed be changed...ergo, it is not genetic. _____________________________ What's the #1 rule? Don't argue with the DM. If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2? CM's #1 All-Time Also-Ran (in reply to DeviantlyD) No, I don't agree with you because what I referred to as bias is societal, as in one person dismissing another person, as a human being, not as in a sexual partner. It's interesting how the term bias has made a late appearance in your arguments. With reference to your genetics comment, you stated it had nothing to do with genetics because it was unrelated to gender. And my argument is that just because sexual orientation isn't a gender doesn't mean it can't be related to genetics. You've somewhat skewed things again.

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