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Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:36:51 AM)
quote: There was no new experience or new information, it was just a decision i made. Fair enough, I don't really believe you, but I won't dispute your story. I will amend my previous statement from "an open mind and a touch of education" to read "an open mind and/or a touch of education". Is this an acceptable phrasing to you?

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:39:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Once again, your opinion, there are no facts there. Lets see, 1. I say you are stupid, you say there is no factual evidence. 2. A little later you say something stupid and I refer to that as more of the factual evidence you claim I don't have. 3. You respond to say that the factual evidence remark was in reference to my remark about your intelligence and that I am twisting words when I wasn't (See point 2 for details) and refer to this as yet more factual evidence of your intellectual shortcomings 4. You reply to say there are no facts....please note points 1-4 for a concise listing of the facts that you deny exist. quote: You made an implication both about sexual preferences and about my comment. I didn't mentio sexual preferences in the post you were disputing. Sorry. quote: But that is aside from the majority of our debate. You say that "excluding a person for bisexuality is NOT a sexual preference" A point you agree with. see the following post for evidence of this agreement. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850979 You'd never make it as a scientist. ;)

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:42:43 AM)
quote: You seem to frequently respond in an angry manner. You see it as asinine nonsense, I see it as you not having the capacity to see past your own need to "be right". As I pointed out I am quite jovial, here. I am joking with the people here, we all find your posts hilarious. I don't see it as asinine nonsense, it is asinine nonsense, and I have no need to "be right", I just happen to be right. You yourself have already agreed with me on that point. Please see the following post for evidence of this agreement: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850979

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:44:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: I have to disagree with you here. I am not attracted to men who are blonde, nor am I attracted to men who do not have a beard. Never have been, never will be. I would not be able to have a relationship with a man who had been in a relationship or a one night stand with another man. Why? Hellifiknow. It just turns me off. That in no way influences the friendships I have with the gay people I have in my life, both male and female. We are turned on and turned off by what turns us on and off. It simply is what it is, and not always a phobia or bigotry. Hi JAS, welcome to the thread. If you take the time to read through the whole thread, you will see that all the points you have raised have been dealt with several times over. I'll save you the trouble though, and just cut to the chase. You're wrong. If you wish to know why, then rerad through the thread, I can't be bothered typing it all out again for you. As some quick evidence of the incorrectness of your position, I refer you to this post: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850870 I did read the entire thread, and I am ok with you thinking I am wrong. My opinion is thinking all bisexual men are horrid creatures who should be shunned=prejudice and bigotry. Knowing that I could not be turned on by a bisexual man in a sexual way, but having no problems with them in any other way=my preference. Same for blonde men, clean shaven men. You are welcome to you opinion, but please do not try to discount mine just because it is different from yours. You can not know how I and others come to the conclusions that we do, because you have not lived our lives and you are not in our heads. Why is it so hard for you to just say "Well, I see things differently, but you are entitled to see things differently than I". It really is not an attack on you and all you stand for to be disagreed with yanno. You've articulated that very well JstAnotherSub. :)

barelynangel -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:49:11 AM)
So let me get this straight -- Gays and lesbians are incapable of controlling what sexually attracts them and what doesn't -- i.e., the hard wired argument regarding what they are sexually attracted too, and yet heterosexuals or bisexuals are able to control what sexually attracts them and what doesn't? Sorry you can't have it both ways, it can't be true for gays and lesbians that their body decides who and what they are sexually attracted too but heterosexuals somehow can decide what they are sexually attracted too. I know the gays and lesbians want to be so special but in the end, what's good for the goose yadda yadda. Sexual attaction is sexual attraction, its connected with sexual preference because people over time learn what sexually attracts them and so their create preferences so they aren't wasting their time when it comes to finding someone to have chemistry with. angel The thing is i have no aversion to these men, in fact i have remained friends with a few, i have no fear of homosexuals lol, and i am not bigoted in my views of them as any of my friends would tell you. I find many gays and bi men attractive and am attracted to them in all ways BUT sexually. All i am is not sexually attracted to bi-sexual and gay men. What's more is i am sexually attracted to some women. But i won't be in a intimate relationship like girlfriend or significant other with one because what i seek in a relationship means women don't fit into that. So while i can have sex with some women, i won't have a relationship with them. My significant relationships belong to heterosexual men. angel

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:49:57 AM)
quote: He's quite obstinate when he believes he's right. ;) Well why wouldn't i believe I am right, you do too. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850979

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:51:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: You seem to frequently respond in an angry manner. You see it as asinine nonsense, I see it as you not having the capacity to see past your own need to "be right". As I pointed out I am quite jovial, here. I am joking with the people here, we all find your posts hilarious. I don't see it as asinine nonsense, it is asinine nonsense, and I have no need to "be right", I just happen to be right. You yourself have already agreed with me on that point. Please see the following post for evidence of this agreement: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3850979 You do come across as angry. You aren't right. And personally, if I had guests at my home, I wouldn't be so rude as to engage in online postings. My attention would be devoted to my guests and the computer would be set aside. Whatever you wish to believe is, of course, your choice. It just doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 8:52:36 AM)
I think people have a bias toward the word bias. The fact is, I am not impartial, when it comes to choosing someone I am attracted to. I have all sorts of bias toward lots of different things, and quite frankly I'm not really feeling any guilt about it either. I had to really stop and consider this, because the words bias or prejudice do have some very negative connotations associated with them. No one wants to be lumped in with people who commit hate crimes, especially when their bias isn't about hate. Technically speaking, if you have a predisposition, preconception, predilection, partiality, proclivity; bent, leaning; strong inclination of the mind or a preconceived opinion about something or someone - you are biased. Really, it isn't that big of a deal, unless that bias is so strong as to engender hatred toward your bias. Unless you'll fuck anything that you can catch and nail, I'm guessing you have a bias of some fashion. So, I'm biased. I have preferences that are based off of preconceptions, partiality, proclivity etc. I'm not going to apologize for it, I'm not going to argue in defense of it and I'm certainly not going to proselytize in favor of my bias. The great thing about individuality, is you get to choose who you want to engage intimately with. Anyone who tries to tell me I'm a bad person, or less of a person for being an individual who is making her own choices probably needs to re-evaluate THEIR own bias because they are veering into my mother loving back yard without an invite. WinD

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:02:26 AM)
quote: You are welcome to you opinion, but please do not try to discount mine just because it is different from yours. Oh I don't discount it because it is different, i discount it because it is wrong. Here, in your own words, is why your opinion is wrong: quote: You can not know how I and others come to the conclusions that we do, because you have not lived our lives and you are not in our heads. Please note the bolded words. If you come to a conclusion, then you have made a conscious decision, which, since you have read the whole thread, you will realize, makes that conclusion not a sexual preference, since it is indeed a conscious decision to feel that way. quote: Why is it so hard for you to just say "Well, I see things differently, but you are entitled to see things differently than I". I did, a long time ago to DevD, but she insisted on proving my point anyway.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:11:14 AM)
quote: No, I don't agree with you because what I referred to as bias is societal, as in one person dismissing another person, as a human being, not as in a sexual partner. Backpeddle, backpeddle, backpeddle. [:D] quote: It's interesting how the term bias has made a late appearance in your arguments. Chatte used the word, so I used it in my reply to her, then you used it, so I used in my reply to you. I don't see how it is interesting, it seems a very common thing, to use the terms and words used in the point you are replying to. it is also common to rephrase something when the person you are talking to simply cannot understand the first thing that you are saying. quote: With reference to your genetics comment, you stated it had nothing to do with genetics because it was unrelated to gender. No I didn't. Please show me where I said anything of the sort. quote: And my argument is that just because sexual orientation isn't a gender doesn't mean it can't be related to genetics. I don't quite understand why you are arguing that with me, since I never said that sexual orientation couldn't be related to genetics. Is this perhaps more of that factual evidence at work here? quote: You've somewhat skewed things again. No, you seem to have. You are arguing against random things I never said.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:11:53 AM)
I feel sorry for you Arpig. You seem to have a need to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you. It says a lot about the type of person you are, which is someone who comes across as very narrow minded. I disagreed with your belief that sexual preferences involving bisexuality are bigoted. I still stand by my words on that.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:14:14 AM)
quote: You'd never make it as a scientist. ;) I agree, I am a computer technician and a network engineer. But again your remark is divorced from what you are replying to. You're getting boring again..change things up, try a new tack.

GreedyTop -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:17:25 AM)
~FR~ I would prefer that anyone who states that they are speaking for everyone. .. just kiss my ass.. unless I have stated uncategoriiclly (scuse the spelling, I know it's wrong and I am NOT fussed at this point) that so and so is speaking for me, or that I agree with what so and so had said... assume (safely) taht it is not a truism..

poise -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:19:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And before you starts creaming im homophobic.... ive tasted more than one clit in my lifetime. quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig I'm not going to scream it, I'm going to say it very calmly and quietly. While you don't mind female homosexuality, and indulge in it yourself, you do object to a male being open to male homosexuality. He doesn't even have to do it, he just has to be open to it for you to reject him. I'm sorry, but yours is the most unreasonable, indefensible, and bigoted homophobic statement yet. Not to mention utterly hypocritical to boot. Hypocritical you say? How does this differ from your preference in turning down Hannahs' numerous offers of sex? She has stated numerous times that she is bisexual, yet you refused her because, as you stated in the Fucking Mod thread, you prefer a woman who will enjoy being with a man intimately. Hello? [:-] Are you anti-bigot, or is the argumentative tone here based solely on the fact that most of the posters here refuse to believe in your definition? Or is it because they have no interest in being with someone with preferences such as yours? As for the Original Post, I would not discount a mans’ ability to be dominant simply because he had been vulnerable in the past, nor would I walk away from him now were he to be faced with your hypothetical scenario. However, I would not choose to be physically intimate with a man who has a desire in being intimate with another man. I am unable to magically turn myself from woman to man and then back again, so I would not be able offer him fulfillment of one of his desires, and this would be very contradicting to my submissive spirit.

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:22:40 AM)
quote: So let me get this straight -- Gays and lesbians are incapable of controlling what sexually attracts them and what doesn't -- i.e., the hard wired argument regarding what they are sexually attracted too, and yet heterosexuals or bisexuals are able to control what sexually attracts them and what doesn't? Sorry you can't have it both ways, it can't be true for gays and lesbians that their body decides who and what they are sexually attracted too but heterosexuals somehow can decide what they are sexually attracted too. Ummm, nobody has said anything like that. Who do you imagine you are replying to? quote: I know the gays and lesbians want to be so special but in the end, what's good for the goose yadda yadda. OK, so you resent gays and lesbians for some reason. Thanks for sharing that with us I guess. quote: Sexual attaction is sexual attraction, its connected with sexual preference because people over time learn what sexually attracts them and so their create preferences so they aren't wasting their time when it comes to finding someone to have chemistry with. Ummm...no. I'm afraid that is not how it works, but nice try. quote: I find many gays and bi men attractive and am attracted to them in all ways BUT sexually. All i am is not sexually attracted to bi-sexual and gay men. What's more is i am sexually attracted to some women. But i won't be in a intimate relationship like girlfriend or significant other with one because what i seek in a relationship means women don't fit into that. So while i can have sex with some women, i won't have a relationship with them. My significant relationships belong to heterosexual men. So female bisexuality is fine and male bisexuality isn't, yet this is not a bias (or prejudice) against male bisexuality. You're playing pretty fast and loose with the logic there babe. [:D]

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:24:13 AM)
It is my opinion that someone who would use the word bigot, in reference to another person's sexual preference, and would argue it passionately, is showing their own bigotry. If you can't be tolerant of another person's views and preferences, you are pretty much espousing the very bigotry you are claiming the other person has. Sexual preference is not bigotry, it is bias. There is a difference. WinD

Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:28:49 AM)
quote: You do come across as angry. Your impression. i've told you it isn't so, but you insist on maintaining your impression in the face of evidence to the contrary, much like the way you are maintaining your opposition to my proposal despite having aleady agreed with it. quote: You aren't right. Yes I am. quote: And personally, if I had guests at my home, I wouldn't be so rude as to engage in online postings. My attention would be devoted to my guests and the computer would be set aside. How do you know I am home? How do you know I have guests? Assumptions my dear, baseless assumptions made in an effort to belittle me. Quite funny actually. quote: Whatever you wish to believe is, of course, your choice. It just doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong. Oh I agree completely, it isn't what I believe that makes you wrong; it is what you believe that makes you wrong.

barelynangel -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:29:10 AM)
Arpig, actually Heather has said it. She claims her being gay is a concept of being hard wired, but my sexual attractions are concepts of phobia, bigotry and prejudice. And as for my being bisexual and my not being sexually attracted to men who are bisexual has no correlation. I sure the hell wouldn't call a guy who isn't sexually attracted to me because i am also attracted to women at times phobic or bigot. I would understand how that could be. Yeah, i resent gays and lesbians -- Arpig instead of breaking up posts why not respond to the post as a whole concept. Your need to respond to sentences you take out of the whole is silly and only shows you incapable of responding in a discussion but instead want to pick and choose things to put words into people's mouths. Why not post an actual post that outlines your views instead of trying to single out sentences people say to try and further your argument, or are you incapable of actually discussing things but instead need to take things out of context? I am not playing fast and loose with anything, my body doesn't REACT sexually to men who are attracted sexually to other men, no calling of names, no taking things out of context, no stamping your foot and telling people they are wrong is going to change that. The fact you think it can but don't believe gays and lesbians can then change what they are sexually attracted too means you are a hypocrit in your need to tell everyone else they are wrong but Heather is correct. If you want to speak of bias Arpig, i suggest you look in your own mirror prior to throwing stones at others. angel

tj444 -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:30:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: There was no new experience or new information, it was just a decision i made. Fair enough, I don't really believe you, but I won't dispute your story. I will amend my previous statement from "an open mind and a touch of education" to read "an open mind and/or a touch of education". Is this an acceptable phrasing to you? My brother is gay, the first time i met his partner i thought, what a cute hot looking guy! I am attracted to men, but i know i cant be in a decent sexual relationship with a gay guy (duh).. it took me longer to decide that i didnt want to be in a sexual relationship with a bisexual guy either. No new information, just i finally made a decision about if i wanted to be in a sexual relationship with one or not. Until i actually decided, my mind was open to that possibility. I could have gone the other way too tho, i could have decided i wanted a bi guy and open up the whole mfm threesome fantasy thing becoming reality. Even tho i like to watch guy-on-guy porn (occasionally), and mfm porn, i decided it was nice to watch and have as a fantasy, but i want my reality to be with a hetro guy and only sex with him. Its simply deciding what i want in life and attempting to control my own destiny. So believe me or not, i know how i think and make decisions and it is as i have stated.

GreedyTop -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 9:31:57 AM)
~FR~ homosexuality has yet to PROVEN as a PREFERENCE. but the op wasnt about that. it was if a sub woman could submit to a dominant man who had been forcibly RAPED while incarcerated, if I read that correctly. I stand by ny first response.. if HE does nt act/behave as a victim, why wuold I treat him as such?

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