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LordOdhinn -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:49:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

jeezus..
the past several pages of this thread have me confuzzled...

for a moment, I agree with one person, then they say something that is so totally CRAP that I wonder why I agreed in the first place. Then the next person I agree with does the same thing.


I give up.


What you said, Greedy.  Reading all this is aggravating my sinus headache.



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:50:00 AM)

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Why does everybody wish the worst for me?  I come here - as a nobleman mind you - to keep the peace and I'm ATTACKED by harpies and medusas.


Careful NS your halo is slipping.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:51:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

This is the worst morning ever.


*laughing*

Now now, just 'cause you saw a nekkid man doesn't mean it's the worst morning you could ever have. *grin* You have plenty of years to experience worse. *gleeful grin*



Why does everybody wish the worst for me? I come here - as a nobleman mind you - to keep the peace and I'm ATTACKED by harpies and medusas.


Attacked? Gee, you're starting to sound like Andrew Breitbart now. :P



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:53:43 AM)

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and it can work in reverse as well, people do go from being open to bisexual men to not being open to them... so.. they go from educated to not???
You have clearly failed to understand what you quoted. If somebody changes from bi- supportive to bi-unsupportive, then they require an open mind...one doesn't change one's biases without one. And they had to have been taught something, they have to have learned some new detail which caused them to change their mind. In other words a touch of education.

Your error was in assuming I was only referring to anti- to pro- movement, while I was not. I was pointing out that such movement occurs, without any reference to the direction, and thus it could not be a genetically based bias.



LaTigresse -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:54:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LordOdhinn

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

jeezus..
the past several pages of this thread have me confuzzled...

for a moment, I agree with one person, then they say something that is so totally CRAP that I wonder why I agreed in the first place. Then the next person I agree with does the same thing.


I give up.


What you said, Greedy.  Reading all this is aggravating my sinus headache.




Neti pot.



GreedyTop -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:55:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LordOdhinn

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

jeezus..
the past several pages of this thread have me confuzzled...

for a moment, I agree with one person, then they say something that is so totally CRAP that I wonder why I agreed in the first place. Then the next person I agree with does the same thing.


I give up.


What you said, Greedy.  Reading all this is aggravating my sinus headache.




Thank god. I thought it was just me being ditzy!!

(not thank god for your sinuses.. THAT SUCKS,... )



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:55:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LordOdhinn

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

jeezus..
the past several pages of this thread have me confuzzled...

for a moment, I agree with one person, then they say something that is so totally CRAP that I wonder why I agreed in the first place. Then the next person I agree with does the same thing.


I give up.


What you said, Greedy.  Reading all this is aggravating my sinus headache.



I have the easiest of solutions, everyone should agree with me for the simple reason that I am right.

There.



tj444 -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:59:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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and it can work in reverse as well, people do go from being open to bisexual men to not being open to them... so.. they go from educated to not???
You have clearly failed to understand what you quoted. If somebody changes from bi- supportive to bi-unsupportive, then they require an open mind...one doesn't change one's biases without one. And they had to have been taught something, they have to have learned some new detail which caused them to change their mind. In other words a touch of education.

Your error was in assuming I was only referring to anti- to pro- movement, while I was not. I was pointing out that such movement occurs, without any reference to the direction, and thus it could not be a genetically based bias.


no, you are wrong. i was at one time open to a relationship with a bisexual guy however i have since changed my mind and opinion on that and now i am not, it has nothing to do with education in any regard.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:59:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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and it can work in reverse as well, people do go from being open to bisexual men to not being open to them... so.. they go from educated to not???
You have clearly failed to understand what you quoted. If somebody changes from bi- supportive to bi-unsupportive, then they require an open mind...one doesn't change one's biases without one. And they had to have been taught something, they have to have learned some new detail which caused them to change their mind. In other words a touch of education.

Your error was in assuming I was only referring to anti- to pro- movement, while I was not. I was pointing out that such movement occurs, without any reference to the direction, and thus it could not be a genetically based bias.



I think what you are failing to understand is that she is talking about being open or not open, in a sexual manner. That doesn't necessarily equate to being supportive or unsupportive. The two are entirely different spheres. The spheres may overlap, but not necessarily so.



GreedyTop -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 6:59:14 AM)

CHATTE IS RIGHT!!

end of discussion!

wait.. what? sorry, her bewbages haz me occupied...
huh?



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:00:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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not being sexually attracted to someone due to their sexual orientation does not equal being phobic of or bigoted against that orientation.
Not being sexually attracted to someone due to their sexual orientation is only possible if one is phobic and bigoted against that orientation.

I have to disagree with you here.  I am not attracted to men who are blonde, nor am I attracted to men who do not have a beard.  Never have been, never will be. 

I would not be able to have a relationship with a man who had been in a relationship or a one night stand with another man.  Why? Hellifiknow.  It just turns me off.  That in no way influences the friendships I have with the gay people I have in my life, both male and female.

We are turned on and turned off by what turns us on and off.  It simply is what it is, and not always a phobia or bigotry.

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I do not consider a person to be able to control what appeals to them sexually, so I wouldn't dismiss somebody on that basis.


Edit to add that last quote.  See what I mean?  We can not control what turns us on, and many of us do act on that.  Most times, it does not break the law like the example you were given.



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:03:13 AM)

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If someone has a gender bias for homosexuals, than they also have a gender bias not for heterosexuals.
A gender bias or preference is for males or females, not for homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual are not genders, they are gender preferences. Therefore, if one is biased against homo/hetero/bisexuals, it is not a gender bias, it is a gender preference bias.

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You are showing your own bigotry against those you *think* are bigoted, when they may very well be biased as to their gender preferences based on genetic markers.
No I am not, because I am not discussing anybody's gender preferences. bisexual is not a gender, it is a gender preference...or rather the lack of a gender preference. Therefor, as I have pointed out twice now (who knows, 3rd time lucky?)\

A preference/bias regarding bisexuals is not a gender preference/bias because bisexual in not a gender. it is for this reason that I can say it isn't genetic.

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I prefer to keep an open mind on the subject, because I believe as regards gender preference, there is a huge step between bias and bigotry.
I agree, however, we aren't talking about gender preferences.



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:03:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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not being sexually attracted to someone due to their sexual orientation does not equal being phobic of or bigoted against that orientation.
Not being sexually attracted to someone due to their sexual orientation is only possible if one is phobic and bigoted against that orientation.

I have to disagree with you here.  I am not attracted to men who are blonde, nor am I attracted to men who do not have a beard.  Never have been, never will be. 

I would not be able to have a relationship with a man who had been in a relationship or a one night stand with another man.  Why? Hellifiknow.  It just turns me off.  That in no way influences the friendships I have with the gay people I have in my life, both male and female.

We are turned on and turned off by what turns us on and off.  It simply is what it is, and not always a phobia or bigotry.



Yay! I agree. :)



Arpig -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:07:05 AM)

**YAAAWWWNNN**



NocturnalStalker -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:09:30 AM)

Why don't you kids come inside for some nice lemonade and pie?



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:09:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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If someone has a gender bias for homosexuals, than they also have a gender bias not for heterosexuals.
A gender bias or preference is for males or females, not for homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual are not genders, they are gender preferences. Therefore, if one is biased against homo/hetero/bisexuals, it is not a gender bias, it is a gender preference bias.

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You are showing your own bigotry against those you *think* are bigoted, when they may very well be biased as to their gender preferences based on genetic markers.
No I am not, because I am not discussing anybody's gender preferences. bisexual is not a gender, it is a gender preference...or rather the lack of a gender preference. Therefor, as I have pointed out twice now (who knows, 3rd time lucky?)\

A preference/bias regarding bisexuals is not a gender preference/bias because bisexual in not a gender. it is for this reason that I can say it isn't genetic.

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I prefer to keep an open mind on the subject, because I believe as regards gender preference, there is a huge step between bias and bigotry.
I agree, however, we aren't talking about gender preferences.


But a bias against a gender preference (e.g. being biased against a homosexual person) is not the same as sexual preference. Sexual preference and what you have described as gender preference bias are two different things.

And you can't say it isn't genetic. What is a result of our genetics and what is a result of our environment in terms of our choices in life is still ongoing in studies. To make an unequivocal statement like that is rather arrogant.



tj444 -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:11:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Why don't you kids come inside for some nice lemonade and pie?

(tj perks up) ummm,.. what kinda pie??? [8D]



DeviantlyD -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:11:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

**YAAAWWWNNN**


Why do you have a constant need for rudeness?



LaTigresse -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:13:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Why don't you kids come inside for some nice lemonade and pie?


Lemonade and pie together? That sounds kinda yuck.



NocturnalStalker -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/18/2011 7:14:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Why don't you kids come inside for some nice lemonade and pie?

(tj perks up) ummm,.. what kinda pie??? [8D]


You're not invited.

HAHAHA, OH, I BET THAT RUINED YOUR MORNING.  YEAH, AMERICA. 

Just kidding.  It's lemon.



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