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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 7:38:53 AM

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Good advice on here, but beyond the counseling, severe all connection. Don't look at his profiles or let him look at yours, dont talk to him, dont text, don't let him prolong the niggling small wounds he inflicts. Minimize them in everyway you can, and pray he has no interest in the children so he won't use them as a tool to get at you again.

The why's are less important than the facts, he's a tool, and you are a full and complete human being if you want to be. You have all the parts, all the smarts, just apply them and don't for a second think he 'judged you as worth less'. Clearly he has no judgement or the concept of people being worth something. He never valued you as less, because he never valued you at all, nor his previous wife, nor his next one. Unfortunately you walked into it. He didn't value you when he was using you as a tool to torment his previous wife, and you put your head in the sand to it. Please make better decisions for the sake of your children.

I hope you and your children can build a better, happier life together.. and don't fear being a single parent, it's hard, but it contains all the joy and fulfillment as having a partner. (My mom was a single parent, and I wouldn't trade growing up with just one parent for anything in the world.)

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 7:41:54 AM

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as for not knowing what was to come...he did with her exactly what he did to the woman he was married to when she became involved with him.

This is pretty much the conclusion of the 4 of us.

We are generally in agreement with Aileen on this one, except that we do see him as an abuser. However, he was a consistent and open abuser, and she was intimately aware of this right from the start. When I read the OP, I could foresee the end of the story right from the first line of the story. Excepting that she gave us more details regarding her emotions and reactions, it is basically the same story told twice. The OP does deserve sympathy, but much of what happened to her is her own fault.

We also agree that it took a lot of courage to post this, we know rather well how making such revelations can be a less than pleasant process. We also feel that there is indeed a lot of lessons to be taken away from this story, just not, perhaps, the one's the OP thought she was teaching.

That being said, we all also echo the call for immediate counseling.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 7:42:05 AM

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OP, I really could care less about you and your horny husband and your thoughtless choices in life.

I feel bad for the kids. Thats the worst part of this whole story.
You need to make sure you file for child support right away.

I get so sick of hearing about guys going around and making kids, leaving them with the mother, not paying for them ... just to go off and make another pack of kids with another woman. ------> And leave the mothers to depend on the dole so the taxpayers get to pay for their mess.

I cant tell you how many stories Ive heard like this.

Good luck to you and your children. There is always a way - you just have to find it.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 7:46:38 AM

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To the OP...

I have been through some rough times also, sometimes we get sucked into things in life that if we look back on, say "WTF was on my mind?"
You made mistakes with this guy.
Move on, get counseling NOW.
Don't wait for someother event like "getting the divorce rolling"

Call a counseler today

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 8:00:25 AM

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I agree with Aileen, i believe there is a time someone needs to stop saying he was an abuser and instead say, i could and should have done things differently. MAYBE he was an abuser and she the victim, or maybe she was her own abuser and her own victim.

Counseling will help sort out this concept in her head. As always there are two sides of the story and the truth. Without hearing his side of the story, we really don't know the whole story and in the end, we cannot state clearly whether he was the abuser or she simply transferred what she was doing to herself onto him because it's easier to see yourself as a victim of another rather than a victim of yourself.

No this isn't blaming the victim, but from what she has written here it sounds like she may have been just as bad to him as he was to her.

All in all, OP, it's over, its time to get counseling and move forward with your kids.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 8:53:04 AM

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quote:

Call me crazy but I really do not see what the OP's sad little story has to do with BDSM.

I think that was her point, LaT, that he hid abuse under the disguise of D/s, which they had explored.

I have a similar story to tell. Please note that I am not at all well today so it's iffy whether I'll make sense.

A few years back I met a man on the other side here at CM who billed himself as a sadist. I was very new to all this and had decided to just jump in and throw caution to the wind. So I didn't bother with the common sense of checking him out properly; we met just days after chatting a bit via email - at my place.

I was greatly taken with him, he was - appeared to be - the perfect mix of caring man and sadist. Things quickly took a turn into mind games and decidedly nasty things. He raped me several times one time when he came over and did things to me that noone should have to endure including, WARNING: SOME MAY THINK THIS TMI taking freshly cooked rice holding me down, and putting it inside my pussy. He also fucked with my head, telling me that I had to apologize but refusing to say what for.

I was lucky, he hit my hell no! button relatively early on: threatening to post pics he had taken at my workplace. Who the hell knows what could have happened if he hadn't.

I freely admit that I was stupid. He was incredibly adept at avoiding giving out personal info. To this day I have no idea who he is. Nonetheless I did call the police and filed a report. They told me that unfortunately without info there was nothing they could do but at least my report (including a detailed description) would be on file in case another woman decided to press charges.

Anyway, I think the OP of this thread does have value. It does show how ignoring early warning signs can lead to bad things. The man leaving his wife isn't always such a good thing, is it. Yeah her actions were full of stupid, people do that, I do hope that people who read her story and mine will think twice before doing what we did.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 8:55:27 AM

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This isn't *abuse in bdsm clothing* at all. It's two people fumbling along , both making a shambolic decisions.

Neither one is capable of making decisions for the best, instead , make them MUCH worse by having kids with excuses that are fitting for 15yr olds.

All I see is a lot of excuses from both sides, and really rubbish ones, at that.

You were getting laid and if your son was pacing the floors worrying about whther Mum would come back or not.....well, that was YOUR call. Your children's father was mindfucking you before you even left. What on earth made you go knowing he was in that frame of mind and in charge of YOUR children?

Your bdsm with him made you fear for your life, you were resentful, your concerns were ignored...yet this is the man you left with your children while you went off and fooled around with someone else. There are no clean slates here.

Quote: Maybe my story will help someone who thinks things "aren't quite right"....even in this twisted world we live in. I am going to have a hard time trusting anybody for the rest of my life and I have lost over 10 years to someone who only stayed as long as they got to bully me/hurt me...I don't believe that he ever loved me:
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There's nothing bdsm related here...... you were a dope, he was a twat. You lost 10 yrs to something that you complied with. The sob story left me cold.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 9:21:45 AM

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quote:

taking freshly cooked rice holding me down, and putting it inside my pussy.

Thanks a lot 7. Hanners just went to check if we have rice in the pantry.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 9:26:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

quote:

taking freshly cooked rice holding me down, and putting it inside my pussy.
Thanks a lot 7. Hanners just went to check if we have rice in the pantry.

I don't recommend it, the rice burned me. Yes I'm serious, it isn't a joke Heather. He did hurt me.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 9:41:36 AM

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OP I would like to suggest, that maybe its time you set aside "The Lifestyle" and take care of yourself and your children.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 9:47:22 AM

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OP,
Wow! I don't know what else to say but, "Wow!"

Such a sad story. But it has nothing to do with "Abuse in BDSM clothing". Instead, it is a story of two people making one bad decision after another. It sounds like it was a contest between the two of you to see who could make the worst decisions (and frankly, you won).

Of the two of you, he seems like the lesser of two evils. At least he was consistent. When you met him, he was into polyamory. In fact, you were the other woman when you met him, and his wife didn't like you. He kept doing exactly what he had always done, but when YOU became the wife, you didn't like his other women (just like his previous wife didn't like you). You got to see firsthand how it feels to be cheated on.

While I may not agree with his behavior, at least he was consistent. He behaved in the end, just like he had behaved in the beginning. You knew exactly what you were getting into.

But I have a much harder time understanding your behavior. You just made one bad decision after another. I still can't believe that you almost let him pimp you out. And that may not even be the worst of your decisions.

As others have said, seek counseling. But I'd also suggest that you do lots of introspection. Why did you repeatedly make the wrong decision? Why did you accept behaviors that were clearly unacceptable? Why didn't you do a better job of protecting your children? You really need to answer those questions for yourself. It will help you to avoid the same mistakes in the future.

You can't change him, but you can certainly change yourself. Start there, and try to become the best mom that you can be for your children.

Good luck.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 9:50:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

quote:

Call me crazy but I really do not see what the OP's sad little story has to do with BDSM.

I think that was her point, LaT, that he hid abuse under the disguise of D/s, which they had explored.

I have a similar story to tell. Please note that I am not at all well today so it's iffy whether I'll make sense.

A few years back I met a man on the other side here at CM who billed himself as a sadist. I was very new to all this and had decided to just jump in and throw caution to the wind. So I didn't bother with the common sense of checking him out properly; we met just days after chatting a bit via email - at my place.

I was greatly taken with him, he was - appeared to be - the perfect mix of caring man and sadist. Things quickly took a turn into mind games and decidedly nasty things. He raped me several times one time when he came over and did things to me that noone should have to endure including, WARNING: SOME MAY THINK THIS TMI taking freshly cooked rice holding me down, and putting it inside my pussy. He also fucked with my head, telling me that I had to apologize but refusing to say what for.

I was lucky, he hit my hell no! button relatively early on: threatening to post pics he had taken at my workplace. Who the hell knows what could have happened if he hadn't.

I freely admit that I was stupid. He was incredibly adept at avoiding giving out personal info. To this day I have no idea who he is. Nonetheless I did call the police and filed a report. They told me that unfortunately without info there was nothing they could do but at least my report (including a detailed description) would be on file in case another woman decided to press charges.

Anyway, I think the OP of this thread does have value. It does show how ignoring early warning signs can lead to bad things. The man leaving his wife isn't always such a good thing, is it. Yeah her actions were full of stupid, people do that, I do hope that people who read her story and mine will think twice before doing what we did.

Zeph

You've just made the case for stupid decisions!. I think the OP has value for the seriously *easy to be fucked with* margin. I also think that she did a fair amount of fucking around herself......... It was a completely fucked up situation, like many others. The part that makes it crap is that BOTH of them faffed about with little concern for their progeny.

Nothing about it makes me bleed for either of them. And little about it has anything to do with bdsm apart from the odd side-mention early on with reference to how it made her *fear for her life*. D/s isn;t an excuse to be a fuckwit consistantly! Sheeesh, someone make them stop.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 9:54:20 AM

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People, let's not get too self-righteous here. People of all stripes make mistakes and once the cycle of abuse starts, it's psychologically difficult to end it. The systematic destruction of the esteem necessary to end it is usually one of the first casualties of this kind of relationship.

I think she realises she fucked up and this exercise is more cathartic than anything else. Dissecting the author's complicity in her own demise strikes me as a little self-indulgent.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 10:12:28 AM

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My experience with domestic violence, is that it is usually much more subtle and subversive than this. Few survivors of domestic violence have an indication, right from the beginning (as this woman does) what their spouse is really about. I see a lot of dysfunction, and selfish thinking in her and her husbands actions. I see abuse too, but it wasn't anything she didn't go into the relationship knowing about. That's tragic, and I hope she heals and her children aren't harmed by all of this.

I hate like hell to blame the victim, it goes against everything I believe internally. Victims of domestic violence usually already have a lifetime of self recrimination to work through. So much doubt and guilt and hurt to sort through, that it hurts my very being to be another who might add to this. Still, I do think that there is truth and healing in tough love too. I hope that the OP will heal enough to come to a place where she can see her culpability in all of this without beating herself up with it. It isn't easy to come to those realizations, but you can't ever get to them at all until you can look at yourself honestly. Such things take time, and its hard to do when the wounds are so deep and fresh.

Best wishes, OP, to you and your children. I hope you find peace and joy to fill the emptiness your pain has hallowed out within you.

WinD

ETA: we, like she, are looking at her past 10 years with hindsight. Reflecting back, we see things that we didn't recognize at the time. It is so easy to look back and pass judgement. On ourselves, on others. Experience is something we garner over time, it isn't something one starts with.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 10:24:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

I think she realises she fucked up and this exercise is more cathartic than anything else. Dissecting the author's complicity in her own demise strikes me as a little self-indulgent.

I disagree. Sadly, BDSM is full of situations that are socially/morally/psychologically questionable. For example, there are many people who are in polyamorous relationships who are completely content with their situations. Many of them post regularly on this board. Despite what happened to the OP, these people might correctly argue that their poly relationships are completely healthy.

There is a thin line between BDSM and abuse. And that line is a moving target. Many outsiders would say that anyone who engages in M/s or D/s relationships is "crazy", and they'd suggest that we all need counseling. Perhaps they're right. Perhaps not. That's a discussion for another time.

Where does the line between consensual masochism and abuse lie? When does it stop being "polyamory", and start being "cheating"? When does it stop being "mind fucking", and start being "mental abuse"?

That's the inherent problem with BDSM. The lines between kink and abuse are often difficult to find. Moreover, in my experience, lots of people who aren't emotionally healthy to begin with seem to be drawn to BDSM. That's a formula for disaster.

The OP's situation has already happened. Nothing can be done about it. But it can be used as a cautionary tale for those who may make a similar mistake in the future.

None of us can say where the line between kink and abuse lies. The answer would be different for every individual. But because we can't say where the line is, we can warn others to be careful in their BDSM relationships. We can warn them to take daily inventory of their feelings. We can advise them to never ignore their internal warning signals. If it doesn't feel right, it probably isn't. But only the individual can know for sure. So they need to constantly ask themselves, "Is this healthy?" And the moment they hesitate in their answer, they need to hit the brakes........hard.

As we've tried to warn the OP, everyone is responsible for their own decisions. Sure, we all make mistakes. But it's up to us to recognize those mistakes and make course corrections before we drive off a cliff.

The OP didn't do that. There's nothing that we can do to change that. But her story is a great case study that others can use to examine their own situations. There may even be a few people who have read this, and begun to question their own situation. If they are taking personal inventory of their own actions/feelings/decisions, then that is a good thing, and another potential disaster may be averted.

Most of us would agree that kink also carries an inherent potential for hurt (both physical and mental). Moreover, many (most?) of us knows someone who has had negative experiences with BDSM. That's a reality that we don't talk about nearly often enough on these boards.

But I do apologize if the OP feels unfairly criticized. I can't speak for others, but that wasn't my goal.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 10:54:42 AM

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I do bear some of the blame, there were hundreds, if not thousands of times when the voice in my head said 'get out' or 'run'....either I convinced myself that I was imagining things or I felt that I had made my bed and had to lie in it, but mostly I didn't want to admit that I made a bad choice or allowed him to put me into a hopeless/helpless position. It wasn't until a few years ago that I understood(and actually believed) that he was 'abusive' and that I had allowed him to abuse me. I didn't find strength or clarity at this point...I just tore myself apart even more and worked even harder to keep things covered up to protect myself from embarrassment.

Yes, I need counseling. I have spent the last year reflecting and dissecting trying to understand hows and whys of my current situation..and the foundation was laid long ago, long before my husband came into my life.

I still have my moments....one moment I am determined to move forward, own my life, choices and mistakes and improve my situation..the next I want to run back and hide and go back to what 'I know'. Yesterday was a bad day, (he showed up 4 hours early to pick up the kids and he proceeded to find things to fix, left before the kids came home from school, asking me to meet him half way to hand off the kids and then left us waiting at the meeting spot for an hour) .. I spent most of the morning/afternoon, biting my tongue, reminding myself that I was moving forward, not backward and anything that he would have said would have been bullshit. On bad days when I start to question everything including myself, I write out my story in order to 'see it' and regain my focus...most bad days I would delete it..last night I boldly posted it, knowing I would get a mix of responses..yesterday I confessed to a forum full of strangers, maybe next time to a long lost friend that I find while I sift through the aftermath.

I spent most of the last ten years thinking I was 'smarter' than my friends and family that ended up in physically abusive situations...saying things like "I don't understand why they would allow that to happen." or "Don't they see it?" or "Why aren't they running?!?" When I realized I was no 'smarter' than they were..I was crushed, what that realization did to my self confidence was 10 times worse than what he ever managed to do to it.

As to why I consider this related to BDSM, it is because he hid behind it(and still does), I explained things away thinking it was all part of the lifestyle that I found and still find interesting. I made poor choices and now myself and my children are suffering the consequences of that choice.

I could sit here and think of a million other things to say,and just end up repeating myself a million times over. If I had read a post like this 10 years ago, it may or may not have convinced me that I was dealing with abusive behavior..but maybe it would have gotten the 'what if' seed planted sooner.

Thanks again...

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 11:39:46 AM

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StacyLostnSpace,
We appreciate your courage for sharing your story.

Even though you may never hear from them, or receive their thanks, there will probably be someone who reads your story and avoids a mistake because of it.

Good luck to you.
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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 1:32:10 PM

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I remember thinking many many years ago, how it was funny that the very thing I was trying to get away from could actually feel safe and comfortable. That's what made the bad days so bad for me. It made me seriously question my own sanity. As if 9 years of that crap wasn't enough, but to actually want to go back to it? It wasn't until someone pointed out that fear of the unknown was far more frightening than something bad that I had already learned to cope with that I was able to move past that. I made the choice not to be a coward, and that meant walking forward and never looking back. From what I can see from your last post, you're getting there. Don't give up.

Like you, I made a whole slough of bad choices. There were red flags galore that I convinced myself I was misunderstanding or misinterpreting the situation...or, like you said, that 'I had made my bed and had to lie in it'. And it's funny how many people agreed with me on that. I made the choices I had made, so I had to deal with the consequences. And in the end, I did. I dealt with it, and have been dealing with it now, for almost as long as I was in the relationship to begin with.

One of the things I've encountered repeatedly from other people is the attitude that it wasn't really abuse, or that I was enabling my own abuse by staying in that situation. A particular family member was rather vocal with these attitudes. It wasn't until I finally had enough and rounded on her and screamed at her that I wished that he'd hit me every time, rather than use the mental, emotional, and verbal abuse that were his trademarks...because then everyone would have been able to SEE the abuse...that she finally got it through her head that the most insidious part of this kind of abuse is exactly that...that no one sees it.

So yes, you made bad choices. The important thing is to move forward and not repeat those bad choices. And I know, that's not always easy to do, but you have three reasons to keep trying. Unfortunately you have two children with him, so you're stuck with him in your life in some form, at least until they're 18. Don't let him use the kids against you, and don't let him use you against the kids. It's going to take a while and some very strong determination, but you WILL get to the point that you won't let him push you around anymore...as long as that's what you really want.

My ex nearly had a seizure the first time I laughed at him when he tried to manipulate me over something to do with our daughter. I looked at him, and laughed because there was no way in hell that I was going to give him what he wanted, and he should have known. But I realized at that moment that he really didn't know. That he really did expect me to just give him whatever he wanted. And the thought that a grown man could be that much like a two year old made me laugh. And boy did that ever feel wonderful!! After that, it got a lot easier to say no and to resist the habit of just bowing to whatever he wanted.

The next time you're having a bad day mentally kicking yourself for all the bad choices you made...or someone else is putting you down about those bad choices...remind yourself that you've made one hell of a good choice, and that was to get the hell out of that relationship. Count that as the starting point to a whole lot of new good choices.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 1:32:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: StacyLostnSpace

I do bear some of the blame, there were hundreds, if not thousands of times when the voice in my head said 'get out' or 'run'....either I convinced myself that I was imagining things or I felt that I had made my bed and had to lie in it, but mostly I didn't want to admit that I made a bad choice or allowed him to put me into a hopeless/helpless position.

And don't kick yourself for that. It's normal for anyone who has such a huge life decision to make to try to make it work despite their gut feeling.

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maybe next time to a long lost friend that I find while I sift through the aftermath.

That will be helpful, I'm sure. It's an amazing feeling to hear validation from somebody whose opinion is important to you.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/17/2011 2:19:32 PM

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I'm gonna ask it. I've been wondering this since last night: How in the world does someone f**k you (even if you're sleeping) without you knowing anything? And who in the world pops birth control pills two and three at a time?

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