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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 1:02:03 PM   
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  Don't be foolish.  The article I linked very clearly documents how psychologically difficult it is for her to leave and that fundamentally all her family and friends can do is provide support and the knowledge that they're there for her despite any attempts he's made to try and isolate her from all other bases of support.  At this distance, education and information is all anyone on these boards can provide and it's a hell of a lot more useful than blanket condemnation of her choices.

Don't use me as a proxy for your issues with men.  I understand this scenario every bit as well as you do - you mock yourself and are blind to it.


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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 2:52:37 PM   
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Maybe, but you need to look up the defintion of "syndrome" before you start playing amateur psychologist, she's not displaying any of the markers for Stockholm, if it was ever and issue it seems to have long passed. This "woman with psycho-ex" syndrome, it's a whole different thing.

I just got issues with fatuous, half-assed guesswork based on fundamental attribution error passing as knowledge, doesn't have anything to do with your running disputes with certain women in these forums, I got bored watching that show a long time ago, ya'll need to get a room.

You are right that noting that merely shrilling "you shoulda known better", isn't real helpful, hindsight is always 20/20, and it's particularly fatuous to blather like that from a safe distance, but it's also true there's only so much one can do from a distance.

For my part, I see no need for therapy, I see a need for a restraining order, and maybe a sawed off shotgun.

Seriously Stacy, you need to document this stuff, otherwise it's your word against his, you seem literate enough, get some ammunition and let the people paid to do this shit deal with his psycho ass.

Course it means you might have to change your name and move, but maybe you'll get lucky and he'll get shanked before they release him.

Those are the kind choices she has to make here oblivious.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 3:10:16 PM   
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I think the "loser" article linked to earlier offered better advice, like a Bear, maybe if you play dead, he'll lose interest. Guy like that has to win and that means he has to get to you, he's a drama Queen, he needs strife in order to function: don't give him anything, and he'll probably go off and torture somebody else he can get a rise out of.

'Course, first thing he'll do is use the kids as an excuse, but if they have to watch any of this, they're the ones that are gonna need therapy, that shit is very stressful.

But again, documentation will help a great deal, a witness is even better - the other option. Guy like that doesn't know when to quit, it's a weakness. If he's getting it from more than one side, it'll be harder for him to focus on you alone, you want to avoid that situation, you need to find some allies.

You gotta throw him off base, make him think you got back up even if you don't. Don't overplay it though if you cant' follow through - and get some back up, date a cop or something.


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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 3:55:26 PM   
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Lawyer retained, appt. with therapist scheduled. Moving forward.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 4:00:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: StacyLostnSpace

Lawyer retained, appt. with therapist scheduled. Moving forward.



GOOD FOR YOU

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 4:20:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: StacyLostnSpace

Lawyer retained, appt. with therapist scheduled. Moving forward.



Yay you! Best of luck and let me know how things are going okay.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 6:04:28 PM   
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Was in a similar marriage (without some of the lurid sex stuff and a previous wife), and it took me a very long time to realise i was being abused, and by proxy, so were the kids. It took 3 years of therapy for me to get to where i could choose men who didn't desire to abuse me.

OP, there are men out there who won't abuse you. But you have to get to a point where you can make the right decisions in choosing them. Til then you need to avoid relationships. And you also need to realise that all the shit that you went through - your kids also went through it - without the benefit of being an adult. Pretty sure they could also benefit from councelling if you haven't already set it up. Kids have a unique ability to blame themselves for everything.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/19/2011 6:14:20 PM   
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I lived with this guy once .. and he started being a dick to me ...

I've always wonder if he ever did notice what I mixed in his food ...

and if he noticed I cleaned the toilet with his toothbrush.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/20/2011 5:53:03 AM   
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Soooo ...... instead of leaving, you went passive/aggressive, and did childish things? How does that help the OP?

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/20/2011 6:03:41 AM   
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I'm pretty sure that was facetiousness...

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/20/2011 8:25:42 AM   
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FR - in reference to the court issues.

I know of a couple that were M/s, for 15+ years.  She was a HUGE advocate of M/s  and even co-founded a non-profit organization to assist abused individuals in M/s-BDSM relationships.  When she decided to leave her husband, she played the abuse card too.  Now, I lived in their house for 2 years.  I was CLOSE to this couple, even intimate.  It was obvious to anyone who knew them, that he cherished her.  Truthfully, the abusive person in that relationship was her, but she was bi-polar and a great deal of allowances were made for her because of this.  There were times when she literally terrorized the people in the house.  However, because she was a "slave,' she tried to use that against him in court, implying he abused and brainwashed her.  (quick note:  I'm not saying all bi-polar people terrorize their families, only that this particular woman with bi-polar did.)

Long story short, it didn't work.  The judge told her that their sexual practices weren't the issue.  What was the issue was what was best for the children and how to best care for them.  Now, I don't know if this was summarily dismissed because of her long and well documented history of mental illness and hospitalizations, but I was glad to hear that the courts didn't allow the proceedings to escalate into he said/she said.

I just mention this, and yes, it is one case and it may not be at all indicative of the norm, because not every court is out there to screw the dominant party as is so feared.  At least one, isn't anyway

PS - I would still advocate a damn good lawyer and documenting as much as you can when it comes to child custody situations.  Judges are like any other members of the populace.  You have good ones, and you have real assholes too.  Its a shame that you pretty much play Russian Roulette with your futures, whenever you go to court.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/20/2011 9:43:35 AM   
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It's true it can work the other way around, women tend to be given the benefit of the doubt, and some women can play that White Knight syndrome like a finely tuned violin, manipulating her would-be saviors into doing all the dirty work - and, people of both sexes who have been victimized in this fashion often subsequently become cynical and manipulative themselves, modelling on their abusers - one good reason for intervention in these cases, if it's safe to do so, since it often acts very much like a communicable disease.

It's very hard to gain the trust of somebody after this, and at best, they'll tend to be distant in subsequent relationships, keeping new suitors at emotional and/or physical arms length, some degree of PTSD is a very real probability.

In part, I think it's a factor int he whole cult of victimhood in this country, where the merely disappointed are are able to elevate to victim status, and/or play at being the White Knight themselves, finding abuse where the situation is merely less than ideal, essentially exploiting the victim to fuel their own agenda - which is not uncommonly a disservice to the victims themselves, who are often just trying to put it behind them and get back in the saddle again.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/24/2011 7:09:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

  People, let's not get too self-righteous here.  People of all stripes make mistakes and once the cycle of abuse starts, it's psychologically difficult to end it.  The systematic destruction of the esteem necessary to end it is usually one of the first casualties of this kind of relationship.

I think she realises she fucked up and this exercise is more cathartic than anything else.  Dissecting the author's complicity in her own demise strikes me as a little self-indulgent.




I agree with Awareness on this. Being emotionally detached from a situation makes it easy for others to make a total appeal to logic, but then, it's not their emotions involved. Things like Hedda Nessbaum happen as a result of this kind of dynamic. Some people are not "wired" in such a way to ever find themselves in this kind of predicament, so it becomes harder for some to identify with you.

I too, believe you will benefit most from counseling and not waiting for after your divorce, as this is the time of great stress. It will give you support and perspective. Both of which is currently in short supply.

Here’s how i would do it, if I were you. If you don’t have insurance, first contact your county’s mental health center, or dial 211 for local resources. If you wish to check to see if 211 exists in your area (I am presuming you are an American, if not, your location may have similar resources) check out: http://www.211.org/
and http://211us.org/faq.htm for more information about 211 programs. These are often supported by United Way.

When you call, you should be able to get the phone numbers of different resources, including aid resources and whether or not your city or county has counseling services, and especially if there is a sliding scale. It sounds like you are in dire financial straights, so you should probably qualify.

Ask too, for a battered women’s support group. By now, you do not need a woman’s shelter or help “escaping” and you should allow yourself to feel some relief over having gotten as far as you have, find gratitude for these small victories, as one by one, they will form the basis of your ultimate freedom, and take some solace in that you have already gotten through a very dangerous time (the physical split). So yes, some day you will be able to look back on this from a far better place, but without counseling you may get stuck.

Battered women’s support groups will give you so much insight, so go, go, go if one’s available. It’s practically free counseling, even better in some unique ways and even though, i personally, am not a group joiner, if i were you I would choose this to be the one exception you are balking at going. Consider how it felt to have everyone here hear your story, now imagine it with the full support of other women who have endured what you have (and some, even worse).

Some goals would be, and it’s the reason you ought to make counseling/women’s groups a priority, first to get through this rough divorce transition & heal in order to be there for your 2 boys, 2nd to heal so that you do not go through any more of your life living in pain and regret over your mistakes (throwing good after bad for the 10 years already lost), the idea of wanting to see him “pay for it” for the damage he’s done, it will eat you up if you let it. And chances are he will never “pay” in any concrete way. This is key to letting go. Consider how you do not wish to waste any more of your life stuck inside that emotional hell. You are and have been a victim. But when you begin to heal, you will not want to bear the weight of “victimhood” as part of your identity. Think how greatly you dislike being a “victim” and be proactive in not allowing yourself not to be trapped in considering yourself a victim. you may not be ready for that yet, but you will regret it more in the future if you don’t begin to try to reshape your thinking about your experience.

It sounds harsh after what you’ve been through to say that, but it’s a trap to hold onto victimhood, because it retards your healing. And imo, it is one more way you keep yourself trapped in a place you don’t wish to be in any longer. You have so much to regret and ruminate over, it’s important you are involved with others like you who can show you the way toward getting out of that mentality. Another is, you do not want to let him ruin you for all men. It would be just one more way that you “let him win” - when you realize your personal growth is affected by a desire to one day be open to love or enjoy relationships with men. So don’t let his actions affect how you feel about the entire male gender, that would be yet another tragic loss, it’s experiences like this that lead to misogyny and man-hating & that’s tragically wrong... don’t let him have any further control over your life and your happiness. I believe this is key to escaping victimhood. You’ll know when you are ready to let go of your mourning (and everybody does at different rates) but remember, ruminating is not healing. Counseling can give you a positive construct towards healing.

I wish you good luck and hope you find some friends in those groups as well. To come out the other side and become a whole person again, or perhaps for the very first time.

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RE: Abuse in BDSM clothing - 9/24/2011 8:30:13 AM   
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What wonderful and concrete advice, April

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