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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 11:55:49 AM   
SoulAlloy


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ok, what about things others have mentioned, such as one trying to convert the other?

Has happened now and again, with my ex-wife we agreed to differ in the end. When bad events occurred it occasionally cropped up but we got past that through respecting one another's beliefs.

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and what if they have kids, how do they deal with religion (church, prayers, etc), how should that be decided?

With my son I believe in God, though I'm not overly religious, and his mother doesn't believe at all. He goes to a religious school and sometimes asks me questions about it, and worries that his mum will go to Hell. For that I just pass on my philosophy that as long as you lead a good life then you have nothing to worry about.

Overall I figure that it will be up to the children in the end what they believe, just give them the information and your take on it.

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If one believes in Heaven & Hell, how does the religious one deal with the possibility that they will go to different after-lifes?


I took a couple of views on this, firstly the one I mentioned above. The second was that God would not stop me from being with those I care for - if that means Hell then so be it.

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 12:44:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I belong to two religions, which I will leave you to figure out,
Both are venomously persecuted by those who are too lazy to research,
Or who simply believe whatever google says about them.

Generally in relationships I dont bring it up, and I am cool with anything they choose to believe.
In our lifestyle you would think people would tend to be openminded.

Unfortunately such is not the case, therefore I never bring it up.

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 1:01:47 PM   
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Perhaps wearing your rubber nun's outfit is one reason you 'stick to people'?


I have often pondered getting a group together dressed as rubber nuns and trying to enter the Vatican

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 1:07:38 PM   
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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 1:15:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Djducati

I belong to two religions, which I will leave you to figure out,
Both are venomously persecuted by those who are too lazy to research,
Or who simply believe whatever google says about them.

Generally in relationships I dont bring it up, and I am cool with anything they choose to believe.
In our lifestyle you would think people would tend to be openminded.

Unfortunately such is not the case, therefore I never bring it up.


What happens when you get in a relationship? Continue to hide it? How would you explain your disappearances when you go to church/mosque/meeting/whatever your group calls it?

It has to come out sometimes unless you never plan on entering a relationship or always hiding secrets from your partner.



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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 2:34:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess one goes to church quietly and keeps one's mouth shut otherwise.

Personally I really doubt I could stand to be involved with somebody who was seriously religious, there's only room for so much irrationality in a relationship and I have a lock on that thanks. If she were able to just keep it to herself then I really don't care, but sooner or later every religious person will attempt to use their religion's teachings as justification for demanding something of their partner, and that's where the shoe drops.

If you want me to do something, or do it in a particular way, and the best reason you can come up with is to quote the Bible, then sorry, you're shit out of luck.


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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 7:25:12 PM   
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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 7:29:47 PM   
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That's next year, so if she turns out to have been right, I may look her up - although she's vanilla, she also has a truly magnificent ass.

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 7:48:51 PM   
LafayetteLady


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Status: offline 		What is blaringly evident on these boards is that athiests and believers don't mix. Personally, I can have friends who are athiests, but an intimate relationship?

Based on the atheists around here, the majority are arrogant jack asses who can't pass up an opportunity to point out how those who believe are naive, not too bright (maturely stated in pig latin no less). Typically while also talking about tolerance and open mindedness. Their ignorance and "I'm so much smarter than those stupid religious freaks" attitude shows they know little about religion and their need to spout off about their imagined higher IQ indicates a need for therapy to find out why they have such an inferiority complex.

On the other hand, except for the extremely rare weirdo, I have yet to see in my years here anyone who believes in God to be so insulting based on religious beliefs.

For the poster who talked about how they couldn't date a religious sub (sorry forgot who) because they didn't wnat their sub to put anyone before them...stay away from subs who are good parents, too. A good parent is always going to put their child before you as well. Come to think of it, best stay away from the bad parents as well. But that's just because a bad parent isn't likely to be a good person so certainly not a good sub.

For all the arrogant, ignorant atheists, a lesson...have no fear, most of us believers have no desire to convert you. We are perfectly happy that we will only have to hear your bullshit on this earth. Think about this: Hell For you just might be that you go to heaven in the end.nd out why they have such an inferiority complex.

On the other hand, except for the extremely rare weirdo, I have yet to see in my years here anyone who believes in God to be so insulting based on religious beliefs.

For the poster who talked about how they couldn't date a religious sub (sorry forgot who) because they didn't wnat their sub to put anyone before them...stay away from subs who are good parents, too. A good parent is always going to put their child before you as well. Come to think of it, best stay away from the bad parents as well. But that's just because a bad parent isn't likely to be a good person so certainly not a good sub.

For all the arrogant, ignorant atheists, a lesson...have no fear, most of us believers have no desire to convert you. We are perfectly happy that we will only have to hear your bullshit on this earth. Think about this: Hell For you just might be that you go to heaven in the end.






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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 8:32:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
For the poster who talked about how they couldn't date a religious sub (sorry forgot who) because they didn't wnat their sub to put anyone before them...stay away from subs who are good parents, too. A good parent is always going to put their child before you as well. Come to think of it, best stay away from the bad parents as well. But that's just because a bad parent isn't likely to be a good person so certainly not a good sub.


That was me, and believe you me, I do. Even apart from what you're saying about the power dynamic issue, which is 100% true, I cannot stand kids.

As to the rest of that, apply the third paragraph to the rest of the post and draw conclusions.


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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 9:44:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would never reject a woman out of hand just because she was--in my estimation--delusional, but all of the religious women I've grown close to have held at least the ember of a wish that I would one day join them in their delusion. None of them were anything like what I would call fanatics; they were middle-of-the-road believers, indoctrinated from childhood and believing in their parents' god by default, almost with an apathetic shrug. They rarely tried to play missionary with me, but when they did, and I asked them to promise to permanently abandon the notion of me ever being a believer, they always refused. "Isn't there just a chance? Don't you think there might be a God who loves you?" That irritated the hell out of me. If I'd been trying to get them to consider the atheists' side, and they'd asked me to leave it alone for good, I would have agreed in a nanosecond, and kept the promise. As far as I'm concerned, my beliefs regarding the blind indifference of the universe's creative forces are irrelevant to my love for a woman. You're with me now, here, this moment; what could be less relevant to our fleeting sanctuary than the Universe's beginning or end or purpose? Such serious questions to ask at a dance! If we must think about heaven at all, let's make one here. That's basically my attitude. If there's a woman who believes in God and still manages to fully share that attitude, I will have no problem with her belief.


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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/20/2011 11:27:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldnt hide it, I will tell anything if asked.

I simply dont talk about it so they dont think I am trying to push it on them.

I dont give a shit what religion she is, spirituality is your own business.

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/21/2011 5:31:11 AM   
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On the other hand, except for the extremely rare weirdo, I have yet to see in my years here anyone who believes in God to be so insulting based on religious beliefs.
You just did.

I really don't have a problem with what people believe, its a free country, and nobody knows what happens after you die, so it's natural to speculate and look for reassurance - religion as an institution is largely a political institution, prone to all the flaws of any human political institution: greed, pride, competitiveness, corruption, hubris, abuse of power, etc., and since we cannot know that which we have no evidence of, I deeply oppose basing public policy on idle speculation and outright fabrication, however trendy it might be at a given moment.

Any institution that has any authority attracts opportunists, most do at least have some performance requirements, some end by which to, in hindsight, evaluate the methods - with religion, the end is not only purely hypothetical, but always and eternally pushed off to some indeterminate future, and there is no way to ever evaluate it's means of achieving that hypothetical end.

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/21/2011 1:41:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ex and I agreed beforehand that the kids would be raised Jewish. But we had a tree so his parents could come by and bring presents. Never confused my kids at all. Although they preferred Hanukkah because they got presents every night, most small like a book or a chocolate orange but two big presents on first and last nights.

It actually is a slight problem between The Man and I. Since this is a small town, the reconstructionist shul tends not to have many attendees. He feels uncomfortable when there are just a dozen people there. And since I have no night vision, I can't drive to services by myself.

The rabbi last year changed the Saturday morning Torah study group to a weekday evening so now I can't even go to that.


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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/21/2011 2:41:26 PM   
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On the other hand, except for the extremely rare weirdo, I have yet to see in my years here anyone who believes in God to be so insulting based on religious beliefs.

You just did.

Well, yanno, you're not doing bad yourself...

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ORIGINAL: xssve

with religion, the end is not only purely hypothetical, but always and eternally pushed off to some indeterminate future

You're just making shit up to suit your views.

K.


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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/21/2011 3:21:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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On the other hand, except for the extremely rare weirdo, I have yet to see in my years here anyone who believes in God to be so insulting based on religious beliefs.

You just did.

Well, yanno, you're not doing bad yourself...

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ORIGINAL: xssve

with religion, the end is not only purely hypothetical, but always and eternally pushed off to some indeterminate future

You're just making shit up to suit your views.

K.



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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/22/2011 6:57:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

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On the other hand, except for the extremely rare weirdo, I have yet to see in my years here anyone who believes in God to be so insulting based on religious beliefs.

You just did.

Well, yanno, you're not doing bad yourself...

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ORIGINAL: xssve

with religion, the end is not only purely hypothetical, but always and eternally pushed off to some indeterminate future

You're just making shit up to suit your views.

K.

Uh, what promises exactly does your religion make to you? Eternal life? Jesus is coming?

I don't have to guess, I can google it up in about Ten seconds.

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/22/2011 1:22:01 PM   
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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/22/2011 1:50:36 PM   
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He was raised without religion and is resistant and borderline hostile toward religion in general.  His mom has recently converted into a religious fanatic (attends boop-em-on-the-head-you-are-healed stuff and tries to force it one everyone)


now what is this church that they boop-em-on-the-head


Sorry, I meant to say "bop", "bop-em-on-the-head"

I think she attends a Fundamentalist Baptist Church right now, but I'm not really sure.  All I know is that they do these "healing services" where they smack people on the head, "speak in tongues" and people fall on the floor twitching. 

Now, personally, I do believe in the healing power of faith, but I don't believe that it quite happens that way.  I think those churches simply do it for the spectacle. 

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RE: differences in religion/beliefs? - 9/22/2011 1:56:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're right, I just did. That is one statement vs. hundreds of insults from atheists. At some point, standing up and saying enough is enough doesn't compare to your irrational need to refer to people who have faith as delusional.

Apparently, you don't realize how much it makes you look like an ass.

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