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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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it would be interesting to see the "big boys" loose their grip on the big stick of the veto.

I would call this agreement...or sort of...you know the answers to questions you give kinda sorta.

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I am not convinced by his arguements as I am not convinced by yours but it would be interesting to see the "big boys" loose their grip on the big stick of the veto.

To trim a quote to change it's meaning is decietful...you are being decietful because you have come to class without doing your homework. If you wish to enter into a discussion, don't you feel it is incumbant upon you to acquaint yourself with the facts of the discussion before you start offering your ignorant,ubsubstantiated and puerile opinon?If you cannot discuss honestly then do not expect me to respond to someone who has both feet in his mouth.

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Please try to disagree with what I say and not what you think you can snark at

Because there is an actual date...use it....

To what purpose? Because you demand it[8|] get over yourself.

Butch

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Im not saying it, an executive commitee member of the Muslim Brotherhood said it.

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911


The Palestinian people come from Palestine,

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


So they are imaginary? Because Palestine as an autonomous nation is a fiction too.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Muhsein is also dead, but somehow I have to talk with him,

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
but you dont have to talk to Mohammed. It's odd

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Why dont you tell us exactly where you got your "crazy" information?

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
You cant. So sell it to anyone with less half a brain, because fully functioning 6 year olds wouldn't buy the shit youre trying to peddle.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Oh and Im still waiting for that list of non-Zionist media, so we know exactly who is telling the truth (as interpreted by Ashjor).

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Oh, and out of curiosity, what does Ashjor mean? And what is the 911 reference in your name?

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
You were talking about a broader place but the thread is about Palestine so thats what I referred to when mentioning the Islamic capital of the region. The Romans first used the name after the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 AD which Arabs adapted to Filistin so it was also a distinctive place. Ramla is still lived in today but is smaller that Jerusalem at this stage.

yes, Ramla is still lived in today but is smaller that Jerusalem at this stage, but it was not the Islamic capital of the region.
the name (Ramla) without THE means (the small round grain of sand). which is arabic but also its in the Modern arabic accent,
the name almost 200 years old (as theModern arabic accent) , which means it has some other roman name, & it was not the Islamic capital.

actually there was not any other Islamic capital other than (Madeina, Damascus, bagdad) the rest were just cities or towns,
& they uesd to put some one incharge for some cities like (al-Basra, al-kofa (iraq) ) & I really dont remember that there was a (wally) on Ramla,

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PS: you know that there are some people who can change whats on (wikipedia.org) as you can see the ([edit]) before every thing. the (some people) I am referring to are powerfull, & got the media in the US, (Zionists) you dont think they would actually build (wikipedia.org) based on their only side of the story?
for that I will ask you nicely for a more (reliable) proof for your claim, which is:

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That is the correct term in old use which I referred to but it refers to the Jewish Temple Mount

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What is UrShalim
Contrary to the Arrogant Zionist claim that the Apartheid State of "Israel" invented the name "UrShalim", the fact is that this name is so ancient, it even predates Judaism. And it certainly is many thousand years older than any Racist Zionist.

"Ur" is an Aramaic word for city. "Shalim" means peace. Salam in Arabic. "Ur-Shalim" is then the "City of Peace" (Madinat al Salam). It is the ancient name of Jerusalem or Al-Quds.

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Dear clueless troll, if you don't know what relative humidity means and where Giza is and where the Aswan Dam is you should shut the fuck up.

You said

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The evidence strongly suggests that the area has had very low humidity since thing slike the Luxor temple was built and that since the Aswan Dam was completed the humidity level has risen and those hieroglyhs have dramatically faded. You will of course contest those facts so I'll simply direct you to contact the Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago and bother them with your clueless nonsense.

My cite shows that you were mistaken about the "very low humidty". So it would appear that you are the "clueless troll who should shut the fuck up"



BTW your own link says increased humidity at Giza has caused damage to the Giza monuments.
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In our case the increased relative humidity over Giza during recent years due to urbanization processes, as mentioned above,

My cite, which you quote, states unequivocally that the increased humidity is caused by urbanization not the aswan dam as you claim...once again someone other than myself is the "clueless troll who sould shut the fuck up"

causes various harmful effects on its historical places and important monuments whereas the mineral composition of stone monuments has been changed due to hydration processes.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
You were talking about a broader place but the thread is about Palestine so thats what I referred to when mentioning the Islamic capital of the region. The Romans first used the name after the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 AD which Arabs adapted to Filistin so it was also a distinctive place. Ramla is still lived in today but is smaller that Jerusalem at this stage.

yes, Ramla is still lived in today but is smaller that Jerusalem at this stage, but it was not the Islamic capital of the region.
the name (Ramla) without THE means (the small round grain of sand). which is arabic but also its in the Modern arabic accent,
the name almost 200 years old (as theModern arabic accent) , which means it has some other roman name, & it was not the Islamic capital.

actually there was not any other Islamic capital other than (Madeina, Damascus, bagdad) the rest were just cities or towns,
& they uesd to put some one incharge for some cities like (al-Basra, al-kofa (iraq) ) & I really dont remember that there was a (wally) on Ramla,

It was formerly known as al-Ramleh with variations of the spelling. It was founded at the start of the 8th Century and became important as a trading route with Cairo. Just do a google search of "Ramla capitol". Here are a few examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramla
http://www.travelujah.com/blogs.php?action=show_member_post&ownerID=598&post_id=596
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/Ramla.html

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PS: you know that there are some people who can change whats on (wikipedia.org) as you can see the ([edit]) before every thing. the (some people) I am referring to are powerfull, & got the media in the US, (Zionists) you dont think they would actually build (wikipedia.org) based on their only side of the story?
for that I will ask you nicely for a more (reliable) proof for your claim, which is:

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That is the correct term in old use which I referred to but it refers to the Jewish Temple Mount

Wiki is of course not 100% reliable but it is usually OK for basic facts. WIth contentious political issues it is dubious. Contrary to what you claim wiki has been shown to be more sympathetic to Palestinianism because it is a popular movement so the number of users inputing data from that stance are greater. Here is an example documenting a quite well known case on wiki: http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/13/wikipedias-jewish-problem/

Here is one source - a book that refers to the meaning: and another that refers to the temple rather than a mosque. Thats why the translation "The City of the Temple" is relevant

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911
First,
Its just was not (Islamic capital) not now, not in the past, not ever, no matter who build it ( first they were the romans " in earlier post of you" now its was umyaaden chalifat) ....

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second,
بيت المقدس= the home of holyness= Jerusalem,
بيت= home, house, the land of.
المقدس =anything holy, holyness,
not the Temple
I know my first languge better than you do..... get over it.

about the Wiki, maybe your right, (maybe), not in the mood for googleing anything now
but here is something for you,
& this can not be 100% reliable, but that city Real name is (UrShalim)....

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What is UrShalim
Contrary to the Arrogant Zionist claim that the Apartheid State of "Israel" invented the name "UrShalim", the fact is that this name is so ancient, it even predates Judaism. And it certainly is many thousand years older than any Racist Zionist.

"Ur" is an Aramaic word for city. "Shalim" means peace. Salam in Arabic. "Ur-Shalim" is then the "City of Peace" (Madinat al Salam). It is the ancient name of Jerusalem or Al-Quds.

http://urshalim.blogspot.com/

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Ash, I know only a few Arabic words. I don't claim to speak it at all so I would defer to what you say except that the sources I listed back up what I read about the old Arabic word meaning "City of the Temple". Otherwise I would take your word for it.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
The seems to be similarity between Ur-sha-lim and Jer-us-alem. Some Arabic and Aramaic words are similar as far as I know. There is a view about how urshalim as a word came about in Arabic use to actually express Israeli control of Jerusalem which contradicts what you say but might like anyway: http://friendsofopenhouse.co.il/default.php?pagenum=24

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Ash, I know only a few Arabic words. I don't claim to speak it at all so I would defer to what you say except that the sources I listed back up what I read about the old Arabic word meaning "City of the Temple". Otherwise I would take your word for it.

you can read whatever you want, no matter if its true or not,
I read a book about yoga good ....etc
you read a book about yoga sucks .... etc,
we can argue abut that,
one may convence the other, or we both have a mind of a rock, & that would never happen.

but I can not read a book about walking on the fire bare-foot, & talk you into it.....

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"City of the Temple" translation ( not from google)
City=مدينة
Temple= معبد
the = ال
مدينة المعبد = may be a any sort of temple, (fire temple fot old persians)
however, "City of the Temple" means not Jerusalem, actually, I think you came up with it.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
The seems to be similarity between Ur-sha-lim and Jer-us-alem. Some Arabic and Aramaic words are similar as far as I know. There is a view about how urshalim as a word came about in Arabic use to actually express Israeli control of Jerusalem which contradicts what you say but might like anyway: http://friendsofopenhouse.co.il/default.php?pagenum=24

some words are the same, maybe, but not this one.
arabic name for "UrShalim" is (Al-Quds)
the only thing is that Q dose not Pronounce as Q in arabic, not even close.

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PS: you know where I live, which means I can not view pages had (.il) in it.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Dont mind Anax.   He has a hard time getting along with people.   Mostly his ego. 

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Dont mind Anax.   He has a hard time getting along with people.   Mostly his ego. 

PA your sniping is getting tiresome. I was just talking with Ash, and there were no insults but you keep butting in with remarks that don't add anything to the points being made.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Dont mind Anax.   He has a hard time getting along with people.   Mostly his ego. 

PA your sniping is getting tiresome. I was just talking with Ash, and there were no insults but you keep butting in with remarks that don't add anything to the points being made.

WRONG

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Ash you are the one who has swallowed the old PLO propaganda about the Jews not having any connection with Jerusalem. That ignores the immense history these people have. When talking to you I never presumed I could convince you of anything. I appreciate you live in a certain culture which has tought you very negative things about Jewish people.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Ash you are just being silly about this. I quoted the wiki source, which clearly makes that point and you refused to accept it. I then linked you to two books which feature on Google and still you are not happy. Then you imagine I invented the theory!!! The name Beyt al Makdess refers to Jerusalem, and it refers to it being a City of the Temple as numerous sources point out. The first book I linked to was about the site itself. The second book about Islamic sites. It has to be an explicit reference to the Temple Mount because loads of cities had temples but the Temple in Jerusalem was even at that time a historically famous building which the Romans had destroyed to humiliate the Jews. Then there is the similarity of Islam to Judaism making it important in that respect. It was central to Jewish faith in the way Mecca is to the Muslims. Jews actually face it when praying in Jerusalem.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Do you believe Israel has the obligation to treat their neighbors in a neighborly fashion? And why do you believe the have the right to exist on that piece of ground? Do you think there are limits an israels right to expand?

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Would it not follow that israel should act in a neighborly fashion?