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Anaxagoras -> RE: Do you support a Palestinian State? (9/20/2011 8:53:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: ashjor911
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Ash you are the one who has swallowed the old PLO propaganda about the Jews not having any connection with Jerusalem. That ignores the immense history these people have. When talking to you I never presumed I could convince you of anything. I appreciate you live in a certain culture which has tought you very negative things about Jewish people.
I think I did make this clear once before, here we go again,
I dont have anything with the Jewish faith or the Jewish people,
I dont hate them, but I dont love them either, I respect them & their faith,
I respect that I swear to god.
Your words on here make me suspect differently but no matter because of course you are entitled to your views as we all are...
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but for the love whatever is holy for you stop beeing so personal, trying to fix me, I am not broken,
we agree on something, its perfectly helthy for us to be disagreeing on something else.
I'm not trying to make it personal. You made a remark about personal beliefs and I answered you by pointing to your perspective as you pointed to Willbe's etc. I also made it clear I didn't expect to change your mind about anything so I certainly didn't try to "fix" you at all. Sure people disagree all the time. Thats cool. We'll agree to disagree and I'll leave our conversation at this point unless you want me to answer anything more.
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about the PLO, the PLO toke something away from me, & I hate them for that, I dont like them,
I hate them, & I whish that there was someone else than "abbas" in that chair now,
but I always loved arafat, for many years,
I remember you said you didn't like the PLO but they led the Palestinians for a long time so their outlook has greatly influenced that culture.
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Ash you are just being silly about this. I quoted the wiki source, which clearly makes that point and you refused to accept it. I then linked you to two books which feature on Google and still you are not happy. Then you imagine I invented the theory!!! The name Beyt al Makdess refers to Jerusalem, and it refers to it being a City of the Temple as numerous sources point out. The first book I linked to was about the site itself. The second book about Islamic sites. It has to be an explicit reference to the Temple Mount because loads of cities had temples but the Temple in Jerusalem was even at that time a historically famous building which the Romans had destroyed to humiliate the Jews. Then there is the similarity of Islam to Judaism making it important in that respect. It was central to Jewish faith in the way Mecca is to the Muslims. Jews actually face it when praying in Jerusalem.
you gave me 2 books,
I guess you read them, yes?
that is my whole point, just because someone wrote something dose not make it right,
I linked two books. I did not read them comprehensively but the link takes you to the place where they affirm the point about the meaning of the name in Arabic.
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psst: the arabs came after the 1st & the 2nd temple, so they did not see any temples at all "when the came"
which means, the name is not translated correctly in other words ( the books are wrong) unless they wore wrote by some Zionist which make the completely wrong.
PS: Zionist dose not mean to be Jewish,
FYI: there some "arabs" who happend to be Zionist..
There were ruins at the time and the Wall was standing. There was a massive event 500 years before where around half a million Jews were reputedly killed by the Romans during the second revolt, were banned from entering the city and vast numbers were exiled or made into slaves. It was a huge event that would have been well remembered.
The second book is definitely not Zionist. Its just about Islam. Not sure about the first as I just read a bit of it.
Indeed there are some arabs who are Zionist but not many as far as I know. Khaled abu Toameh is one and an impressive journalist as well.
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Jerusalem & Urshalim have no phonetic similarity what so ever, for Gods sake................... sing them.
Last smoke for the day 6:20 am local, & off to bed
I don't know how you would pronounce Urshalim but seems to me it could have some similarity except for the first syllable.
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