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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/23/2011 11:05:00 AM   
Mr4sg


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Or, are we reading two different threads here?



A specific example (yours) is not proof against a generic statement (mine). Rephrasing (!!, QED): your post was related to OP, mine wasnt.

You are correct in that OP has communication issues.



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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/23/2011 11:54:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr4sg
A specific example (yours) is not proof against a generic statement (mine). Rephrasing (!!, QED): your post was related to OP, mine wasnt.

You are correct in that OP has communication issues.

Ahhhh.  Gotcha.

See, I actually would have been cool if the OP had come back and torn Me a new asshole.    (Though I appreciate that she didn't.)  I'm far more secondary than the communication that the OP has with her boyfriend.  Learn honesty in communication and there is a far better chance at success.


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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/23/2011 3:35:01 PM   
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quote:

The OP claims to be submissive but on her terms ... Guess what it doesn't work that way.


Ah...actually...it does. *Dodges thousands of tomatoes*

Every time a sub replies to an advance with, "Sorry, but I don't think we are compatible enough to have a relationship." Or, "Sorry, but our desires and limits just don't overlap enough to make this work." Or, "You asshole, I told you needles were a hard limit!" Guess, what? The sub is agreeing to submit on her terms, to a person she chooses, because a situation works for her. If she didn't, I'd question her ability to undergo informed consent. Or maybe such a person just doesn't have the balls to go after her ideal relationship with her ideal man. *Shrugs*

Op, I'll be honest. I don't know how to judge your situation, because I don't know enough about you two. It could be that you are, intentionally or unintentionally, being a hypocrite. You may be claiming you'll submit, and then refusing to do so when the mood doesn't strike you. Maybe it is your fault that things aren't working out.

Or...this guy could be a dick. Don't know, but your post gives me the impression that he's a dick. Little boys who throw temper tantrums over stupid shit, who give up easily on themselves, goals, and partners because, "Holy fuck, this isn't easy? I actually have to work at it?" Yeah...not my brand of dom.

I once dated a guy who threw temper tantrums (Legit ones, too. Red faced, punching the walls, screaming holy hell temper tantrums) several times a week, over the dumbest shit. He also failed to follow through on almost all his goals because, if all did not end perfectly, he'd see no point in going on. And so, yeah, when he asked for sex a lot of the time, in spite of my submissive nature, I didn't feel up to it. I don't like fucking dicks (Lol...did you see what I did there?) And you know what? If I don't want to fuck a dick, I don't have to just because I is a submissive wissive. But I didn't stay with a guy I wasn't willing to submit to. I broke it off. If he isn't your type, if his issues get in the way of your relationship, you might want to consider dropping him for someone you are compatible with.

But yeah. Submit on your terms. That may mean only role-playing when the mood strikes, or it could mean becoming full time TPE M/s relationship. Your call. Just make sure you don't lie to yourself or others about what you want and find someone who is compatible. Don't say one thing and do another.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/23/2011 5:26:03 PM   
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I really like and appreciate your post hispet!!

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/23/2011 10:03:03 PM   
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Seriously, this is the first and last thing that popped into my head:

What does he think a relationship BDSM is and how does he think it works? What do you think one looks like? I somehow suspect from your posts that you're looking to be made to submit and he's looking to be handed you on a silver platter.

Neither are options I think will work.

Talk to him about what he wants, and what you want. Then the two of you must come to a point that you will submit to. It is possible that that is no submission at all. Still, the two of you are going to have to figure it out, all the cards on the table. Negotiation at its finest.

This is a little close to me because I just had something similar help collapse my last relationship. She heard dominant and thought I was a 24/7, TPE, twue dom who wanted to beat her until she bled when I heard she was fine with a bedroom dominant who dangles his feet in the larger community and just really likes rope. Both of us wanted D/S, and neither of us wanted the same thing. The phrases "you never submit" and "you never dominate me" were both uttered. She gave up before I did however.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/24/2011 2:43:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact



Him - I want sex now.

Her - I'm not in the mood.

Him - You do not submit when I tell you to and it's what we agreed on.

She didn't say, "no because I'm not feeling well".  She told him that she wasn't in the mood.  That's poor communication because she didn't tell him what the real reason was.  That is what caused the problem and sandbagged his attempt at Dominating her in the bedroom.  She went back later and told him the real reason, but the damage was already done.



However, he still isn't leading the relationship. He turns away in a pout. I can't imagine that if clip said something like this to you, that you wouldn't try to find out why and solve the problem. I know on those occasions I've said something like this, The Man doesn't just stomp away, he demands to know what's going on with me. Why I'm not up to it. "Why not?" really isn't that hard to ask.


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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/24/2011 5:05:45 PM   
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quote:

I really like and appreciate your post hispet!!


Thanks, blushes!

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/24/2011 7:35:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
However, he still isn't leading the relationship. He turns away in a pout. I can't imagine that if clip said something like this to you, that you wouldn't try to find out why and solve the problem. I know on those occasions I've said something like this, The Man doesn't just stomp away, he demands to know what's going on with me. Why I'm not up to it. "Why not?" really isn't that hard to ask.


The difference is, Des, that clip isn't permitted that kind of thing.  Before I ever collared him, it was made very clear that he was to abide by full disclosure.  That means we skip the "not in the mood" BS and go straight to the real reason. 

So, no, it's not My job to chase him down and ask.  It's his job to be honest with the situation to begin with.


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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/24/2011 9:18:58 PM   
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quote:

Lady Pact:
See, I actually would have been cool if the OP had come back and torn Me a new asshole.


Oh, great.  Now the Dommes are vying for the action too.  We boys don't stand a chance of getting any fun. :-)

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/24/2011 9:36:03 PM   
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HisPet21,

quote:

Ah... actually... it does. *Dodges thousands of tomatoes*
(snip:  remainder of post removed for brevity)


Insightful post.  Right on the money.

quote:

From HisPet21's profile:
I consider myself a blooming submissive... service comes naturally to me, but it takes hard work, communication, and a lot of active empathy to become the person you want to be for the sake of your partner and your relationship.  That's part of the reason I am here... to learn and grow for my partner and our relationship... to learn from those with more experience and to glean what I can from the forums.


I really like the phrase "active empathy" because, to a large degree, this is what relationships are about, D/s or not.  And...

quote:

From HisPet21's profile:
Also, I am a MAJOR book whore.  If you know a good book, erotic or not, please do not hesitate to send me a message and let me know so I can add it my infamous "To Read" list.  Thanks!


...this is tres hot.  Bravo.  Hope you and your partner enjoy CM. :-)

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 12:01:38 AM   
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Arwyn89,

Welcome aboard. :-)  After reading your OP and follow-ups, here's what I see.  There seem to be fundamental communication issues in your relationship.  Take a look at your actions and those of your boyfriend.  You are both feeling resentment.  In my opinion, this is where the two of you need to focus on communicating and making changes.  Adding BDSM will not work presently because the same foundations fundamental to vanilla aspects of your relationship are also fundamental to successful BDSM.

When you discuss this with your partner, recognize you both seem to have needs that aren't being met - this is very much a two-way street.  Be ready to listen to his feelings as well as expressing your own.  I have no idea whether you already know the relationship won't work or whether you're quite happy and this is just a small bump in the road.  Only you can answer this question for yourself.

Regarding BDSM itself, I'll comment on a few things you said, as follows:

quote:

We have struggled with how to separate the time between being equals and me being his submissive.  I suggested that perhaps we could just do some roleplaying or what have you while being intimate.  The instance that I was referring to, he caught me completely off guard and tried to initiate sex but I really, really wasn't feeling well and so I kindly said that I wasn't in the mood, because I wasn't feeling well.  It wasn't until after he realized he wasn't going to get any that he started to act dominant and claimed that I wasn't submitting to him.


It's easy for misunderstandings to occur when the rules are continuously changing.  This has caused problems in my BDSM relationships in the past.  What I mean by "rules changing" is that during your time as equals, it sounds like one ruleset is in effect and during your roleplay another ruleset is in effect.  It can cause a lot of problems when one person has switched ruleset and the other hasn't.  Thus, as a starting place, when you do get back to BDSM, I suggest having a clear way of communicating when these rules change or finding rules that work across both dimensions of your relationship.  (i.e. Rules that are applied in respectful ways so as to coexist with the vanilla world.  This approach is my own preference.)

For D/s to function and for your dominant to be effective, you cannot withdraw consent simply because it suits your mood.  It's one thing to set limits and/or request a "stop" for things that are truly causing you distress and/or harm.  But, as a submissive, it's not uncommon that a dominant may ask you to do things you don't want to do.  Submitting isn't always easy.  That said, in all the successful BDSM relationships I know of, the relationship works because each partner trusts the other, enjoys fulfilling reciprocal commitments in the role they've chosen, shares common goals and desires, and communicates honestly and respectfully with their partner.

It's important to distinguish between empowering your dominant so they can make good decisions ("I'm feeling quite sick and would appreciate your help") versus short circuiting your dominant ("no, I'm not in the mood").  I'll also underline that while it's essential that you communicate to your dominant, do not abuse this.  Your dominant will quickly distrust you if you play the "I'm sick" card when you're not actually sick and simply want to get out of doing something within the tenets of what you've agreed to.

quote:

I would love to being able to stop giving him ideas and let him lead but he just isn't doing it.  He just gets mad and says there's no point in trying to dominate me because I didn't listen in the past.  There were a few times when he had given me chores to do (per my suggestion mind you) that I slept late or didn't get them done. Only once did he do anything about it and it was just a spanking.  I've never been given clear rules on anything nor has there ever been a point where he has laid out times or expectations.  *Edit: I also wanted to add that I really do, genuinely want to please him.  I want to make him proud of me, proud to be with me and I really do want to make him happy, provided he just gives me more opportunities to do so.


I understand what you mean when describing a lack of structure coming from your dominant.  This has happened to me from time-to-time with dominant partners.  BDSM can feel rather pointless when the dominant doesn't initiate and can feel even more pointless when a dominant doesn't follow through.  Note though, following through doesn't necessarily mean giving you the spanking you're craving.  Indeed, given the circumstances you've described, it more likely means initiating discussion as to why you didn't do the chores you promised to do.  Follow-through is as important on the submissive side of things as it is on the dominant side.

You are a sociology major with a minor in computer science.  (Very cool thing to note in your profile, by the way. :-).  Presumably you've got discipline and enough leadership skills to accomplish this goal.  So, use these same skills in your duties as a submissive to your partner.  Follow through on the chores you've agreed to do without your dominant having to police you.  Initiate things that help your dominant and that make his life easier.  He shouldn't have to command you to do this.  If your partner is indeed dominant, you needn't worry about initiating.  He will let you know what he wants and he'll make corrections as suits him.

This leads to something I think the two of you will eventually have to discuss.  You cannot force your partner to be dominant or to be the kind of dominant you want.  It's possible the two of you want different things from BDSM.  As the two of you communicate, you'll undoubtedly figure this out.  It may turn out you want a style of dominance he doesn't want to give.  That doesn't make either of you wrong, but it may mean you're not compatible in this regard.  If that's the case, you'll have to decide how important this is and whether or not your relationship can continue with adjustments and compromise.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 2:34:50 AM   
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I just took the time to read through all of the posts made thus far and I'm glad I did. At first I was feeling a bit put off by some of the things said but I think that's just because I had it in my head that everything going wrong was somehow HIS fault and not mine. Boy, was I wrong.

Really the only knowledge I have of BDSM is (don't laugh at me) from fanfiction. Stories people write based on a D/s structure. I'm seeing now that the dominants in those stories don't exist, haha. How very stupid of me!

After consideration I do agree with the posts that have suggested my boyfriend and I fix our vanilla relationship before attempting to embark on a D/s one. I'm unable to find work so he is having to support us both, which I know causes strain even though he says it doesn't. In addition I've got a few medical problems, among them being mild depression and so somedays I can barely find the willpower to leave the apartment let alone put him first. I see now it's not fair at all to expect him to be my Dominant when I cannot consistently put forth the effort to be his submissive.

For a while now I've been under the impression that because my personal life is up in arms, perhaps if I could get structure from him then maybe I'd feel a whole lot better. It apparently doesn't work that way, plus I'm always concerned about the psychological implications of me trying to find stability through another person instead of on my own. So I definitely think I jumped the gun on trying to go right into things.

LadyPact - At first I was kind of like HMMPH at your posts but since I read them back through I really appreciate everything you've mentioned. So no, I won't be tearing you a new one!

I've picked up a copy of Screw The Roses, I'm reading through it now. I suggested it for my boyfriend once I'm finished and he agreed to check it out. Hopefully even though I'm not actively participating in a D/s relationship it will still be cool if I hang around here learning what I can for when I do get involved again.

Oh, I meant to add. We only have one BDSM group in my city and from what I've gathered from those who have interacted with them, they don't know what they're doing and are quite, what's the word... cheesy? Perhaps if I head to Charlotte, NC instead I might be able to find a better group.

Anyway, thanks guys. :)

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 7:11:40 AM   
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quote:

Initiate things that help your dominant and that make his life easier. He shouldn't have to command you to do this. If your partner is indeed dominant, you needn't worry about initiating. He will let you know what he wants and he'll make corrections as suits him.


I cannot stress enough how important this is, especially if you are trying to integrate a vanilla partner into the BDSM world. I'm not sure which one of you first suggested adding a D/s element into your relationship, but I actually introduced my bf to it. I told him I was a submissive in nature and that I wanted to try some stuff out. He agreed and, at first, it was more than a little awkward. He wasn't sure what he should do, how much he could ask for, what, if any, orders he should give. Since I'd ask him to try out D/s, he assumed everything he did should be for me, not realizing that I wanted him to do things for himself. One of the ways I fixed this was to just start doing things he needed without his asking. I cleaned his apartment, cooked for him, offered massages, gave him random blow jobs. And suddenly he was like HOLY SHIT, I CAN ACTUALLY GET INTO THIS! SHE WANTS TO DO SHIT FOR ME! And suddenly, he was totally comfortable asking me to do stuff for him, because I showed him, through my actions, that I was okay with serving and that I wasn't expecting him to fulfill some bizarre fantasy. I just wanted to make him happy, and I was okay with doing his chores and such.

Plus, doing stuff for another person, as a surprise, makes your partner feel attended to. And, if you are depressed, I've always found that doing things for other people is the best medicine for that.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 12:49:17 PM   
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Posted, accidentally, before complete.  Will post in new entry due to CM's annoying editing timeout feature.


< Message edited by ElanSubdued -- 9/25/2011 12:51:06 PM >

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 1:28:28 PM   
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Expecting him to cure your depression is unrealistic. And when you don't have the strength to deal with things, then you'll just cause resentment by agreeing to do stuff and not do it.

You're in school? Go to the Health Center and get antidepressants. In the meantime take a Vitamin D III pill daily and do a consistent exercise program. Ask him to walk with you. Get out in the sunshine as much as possible.No sunscreen for about half an hour daily.


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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 1:38:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Arwyn89,

Welcome aboard. :-)  After reading your OP and follow-ups, here's what I see.  There seem to be fundamental communication issues in your relationship.  Take a look at your actions and those of your boyfriend.  You are both feeling resentment.  In my opinion, this is where the two of you need to focus on communicating and making changes.  Adding BDSM will not work presently because the same foundations fundamental to vanilla aspects of your relationship are also fundamental to successful BDSM.

When you discuss this with your partner, recognize you both seem to have needs that aren't being met - this is very much a two-way street.  Be ready to listen to his feelings as well as expressing your own.  I have no idea whether you already know the relationship won't work or whether you're quite happy and this is just a small bump in the road.  Only you can answer this question for yourself.

Regarding BDSM itself, I'll comment on a few things you said, as follows:

quote:

We have struggled with how to separate the time between being equals and me being his submissive.  I suggested that perhaps we could just do some roleplaying or what have you while being intimate.  The instance that I was referring to, he caught me completely off guard and tried to initiate sex but I really, really wasn't feeling well and so I kindly said that I wasn't in the mood, because I wasn't feeling well.  It wasn't until after he realized he wasn't going to get any that he started to act dominant and claimed that I wasn't submitting to him.


It's easy for misunderstandings to occur when the rules are continuously changing.  This has caused problems in my BDSM relationships in the past.  What I mean by "rules changing" is that during your time as equals, it sounds like one ruleset is in effect and during your roleplay another ruleset is in effect.  It can cause a lot of problems when one person has switched ruleset and the other hasn't.  Thus, as a starting place, when you do get back to BDSM, I suggest having a clear way of communicating when these rules change or finding rules that work across both dimensions of your relationship.  (i.e. Rules that are applied in respectful ways so as to coexist with the vanilla world.  This approach is my own preference.)

For D/s to function and for your dominant to be effective, you cannot withdraw consent simply because it suits your mood.  It's one thing to set limits and/or request a "stop" for things that are truly causing you distress and/or harm.  But, as a submissive, it's not uncommon that a dominant may ask you to do things you don't want to do.  Submitting isn't always easy.  That said, in all the successful BDSM relationships I know of, the relationship works because each partner trusts the other, enjoys fulfilling reciprocal commitments in the role they've chosen, shares common goals and desires, and communicates honestly and respectfully with their partner.

It's important to distinguish between empowering your dominant so they can make good decisions ("I'm feeling quite sick and would appreciate your help") versus short circuiting your dominant ("no, I'm not in the mood").  I'll also underline that while it's essential that you communicate to your dominant, do not abuse this.  Your dominant will quickly distrust you if you play the "I'm sick" card when you're not actually sick and simply want to get out of doing something within the tenets of what you've agreed to.

quote:

I would love to being able to stop giving him ideas and let him lead but he just isn't doing it.  He just gets mad and says there's no point in trying to dominate me because I didn't listen in the past.  There were a few times when he had given me chores to do (per my suggestion mind you) that I slept late or didn't get them done. Only once did he do anything about it and it was just a spanking.  I've never been given clear rules on anything nor has there ever been a point where he has laid out times or expectations.  *Edit: I also wanted to add that I really do, genuinely want to please him.  I want to make him proud of me, proud to be with me and I really do want to make him happy, provided he just gives me more opportunities to do so.


I understand what you mean when describing a lack of structure coming from your dominant.  This has happened to me from time-to-time with dominant partners.  BDSM can feel rather pointless when the dominant doesn't initiate and can feel even more pointless when a dominant doesn't follow through.  Note though, following through doesn't necessarily mean giving you the spanking you're craving.  Indeed, given the circumstances you've described, it more likely means initiating discussion as to why you didn't do the chores you promised to do.  Follow-through is as important on the submissive side of things as it is on the dominant side.

You are a sociology major with a minor in computer science.  (Very cool thing to note in your profile, by the way. :-).  Presumably you've got discipline and enough leadership skills to accomplish this goal.  So, use these same skills in your duties as a submissive to your partner.  Follow through on the chores you've agreed to do without your dominant having to police you.  Initiate things that help your dominant and that make his life easier.  He shouldn't have to command you to do this.  If your partner is indeed dominant, you needn't worry about initiating.  He will let you know what he wants and he'll make corrections as suits him.

This leads to something I think the two of you will eventually have to discuss.  You cannot force your partner to be dominant or to be the kind of dominant you want.  It's possible the two of you want different things from BDSM.  As the two of you communicate, you'll undoubtedly figure this out.  It may turn out you want a style of dominance he doesn't want to give.  That doesn't make either of you wrong, but it may mean you're not compatible in this regard.  If that's the case, you'll have to decide how important this is and whether or not your relationship can continue with adjustments and compromise.



Very nice post, you expressed my own thoughts very well, thank you.


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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 1:53:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

When you discuss this with your partner, recognize you both seem to have needs that aren't being met - this is very much a two-way street.  Be ready to listen to his feelings as well as expressing your own.  I have no idea whether you already know the relationship won't work or whether you're quite happy and this is just a small bump in the road.  Only you can answer this question for yourself.

For D/s to function and for your dominant to be effective, you cannot withdraw consent simply because it suits your mood.  It's one thing to set limits and/or request a "stop" for things that are truly causing you distress and/or harm.  But, as a submissive, it's not uncommon that a dominant may ask you to do things you don't want to do.  Submitting isn't always easy.  That said, in all the successful BDSM relationships I know of, the relationship works because each partner trusts the other, enjoys fulfilling reciprocal commitments in the role they've chosen, shares common goals and desires, and communicates honestly and respectfully with their partner.

BDSM can feel rather pointless when the dominant doesn't initiate and can feel even more pointless when a dominant doesn't follow through.  Note though, following through doesn't necessarily mean giving you the spanking you're craving.  Indeed, given the circumstances you've described, it more likely means initiating discussion as to why you didn't do the chores you promised to do.  Follow-through is as important on the submissive side of things as it is on the dominant side.



I agree with Chatte, very nice posting. I snipped out the parts and highlighted what I thought was especially pertinent to the OP.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 4:22:15 PM   
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Arwyn89,

Precursor:  this is a reply to your last post and possibly it should be a private message.  Unfortunately, I don't have more time to consider this presently so I'm going to post here and as-is.  This first draft is far lengthier than need be, however, I hope there is something helpful to you.

Relationship "bumps" are rarely all one person's fault.  It's easy to look at things you'd prefer your partner did differently and find fault with your partner.  However, I think it's more insightful and more productive to look at how you yourself are contributing to these things and how the two of you, together, can effect changes that enrich both your happiness.

Regarding fan-fiction with BDSM overtones and straight-up BDSM stories, while these are sometimes useful for ideas and are undoubtedly hot, the stories typically have as much feasibility and reality as a Hollywood movie.  (i.e.  They are utter fantasy and even if they could be implemented in real life, it is undesirable to do so.)

Screw The Roses is an interesting book.  Though I don't think it's intended to be, I find it dry and technical, and a tad stereotypical.  For example, it tends to presents submissives in passive, weak stances.  This is far from the very capable, competent submissive personalities you'll meet in real life.  It's possible the pictures are the main offender, both because they're dark and often taken in dungeon-like settings, and because the subjects are dressed in fetish attire.  True enough, some kinksters do play in dungeon-like environments, but a great many of us do not or vary our settings and attire per our preferences and as fits real life needs.  For example, when I was a dominant, I never once wore anything remotely looking like BDSM fetishwear and I didn't require my slave to either.  Hey, if fetishwear and dungeon settings wet your mind, there's nothing wrong with that.  However, I think this is a risky way to present information aimed at those just starting BDSM because it can be more intimidating than inviting.  At any rate, there is useful information in Screw The Roses, but you might find "The Topping Book" and "The Bottoming Book", two companion books, more accessible.  These two books are less about technique and more about emotions and mindset.

In my opinion, the biggest, most useful BDSM takeaway you can gain from a book, online forums, or talking with kinky people in real life is... kinksters are no different than anyone else.  We're not enlightened, strange, better, worse, more open minded, less open minded, or any other special status one might accidentally confer.  We are just people, with all the attendant uniqeunesses, strengths, and weaknesses all people have.  So, for example, your dominant may feel embarrassed or worried about discussing something with you, and you might have to offer support.  The other way around may be equally true.  Short version:  real life dominants are just like real life submissives... they feel uncertainties, need reassurance at times, go through positive moods and blue moods, and need love and affection.

In as much as you and your partner may both be interested in exploring BDSM, people learn at different speeds and gain traction with different levels of interest.  Given your relationship started with a vanilla backdrop, you'd be wise to have several loving, supportive discussions with your partner about what interests him in BDSM.  Find out what his fantasies are (if he has any) and what turns him on.  Share your fantasies and turn-ons too.  Hopefully, somewhere in here, there is a place you both feel comfortable starting again.  Your immediately desired version of BDSM may be different than your partner's so listen to his thoughts and try not to pressure him into going somewhere he's not comfortable with at this moment.

BDSM interests have a lovely way of expanding as people gain experience and build deeper levels of trust together.  In my own case, some of my favourite things (now) are activities to which I said "no way" when first starting.  Consider what it feels like when asked to do something you feel unsure about.  If someone forces you, this increases your apprehension and the chance you'll give up and say "no".  BDSM is very much like this and this applies to dominants and submissives.  Thus, if you'd like to suggest an idea to your dominant, you'll get further doing this in a supportive way and respecting that he may not feel comfortable immediately.  If he agrees to try and the two of you experience only a portion of what you had hopped for, this is still success.  Kiss your dominant.  Tell him how proud of him you are.  Thank him and make him feel manly, cherished, and loved.  Bring him him treats and show your affection.  Do things you know turn him on and that bring him pleasure.  With this kind of approach on your part, he'll be much more likely to try again.

You mentioned hoping BDSM would help with depression and add needed structure to your life.  There was a point in my life where I (too) thought I could get this from a dominant partner.  It is true that partners help one another.  However, my belief, based on experience, is nobody can "fix you".  You must fix yourself.  Yes, a dominant may help motivate you, but BDSM relationships aren't different from vanilla ones when it comes to healthiness.  In other words, you're both feeling and functioning well enough on your own to make healthy relationship choices.  It is okay to ask your partner for help, but I wouldn't look at D/s as the cure for the doldrums you've spoken of.

DesFIP suggested seeing a health professional at your school and starting a consistent, daily exercise program.  Both may be helpful and I'd be surprised if that second part (getting regular exercise) doesn't significantly help your blue moods.  Get outside every day and force yourself to be active (walk, run, swim, hike... do whatever appeals to you and gets your body and brain chemistry going).  This, in my experience, works as well as, and often better than, antidepressant medications.  If your partner wants to exercise with you, that can help provide companionship and motivation, but don't expect him to do this.  He may be working through his own issues that you're unaware of.

HisPet21 gave some really great advice.  I particularly like her notion of creating an environment that promotes your partner's dominance.  This is akin to the adage "if you want truth, you must promote an environment where truth is acceptable and valued".  (i.e. If you hit your partner every time they give the truth, pretty soon they'll stop giving the truth.)  Like dominants, most (well, realistically, all) submissives want perks too.  When a BDSM relationship is functioning in a healthy way, those perks come because your dominant wants to please you just as much as you want to please them.  Your partner is learning so helping him find his way is both a loving thing to do and helpful to where you want to get.  This is why, apart from just keeping your word, it is especially important to follow through with tasks he assigns and that you've agreed to.  This nurtures and reinforces your partner's dominance.  Yes, I understand you're asking him to make these assignments, but so what?  You want to serve him and thus you asked what he wanted.  He told you and you agreed.  Thus, it's time to buck up!  Ah, there's another, important lesson in BDSM.  Consider the ramifications of what you ask for because sometimes you'll get exactly this, whether you want it or not.

You need validation of your own and it's okay to express this respectfully.  For example, once you've gotten up every day, done the chores you promised to do, and (possibly) left a surprise treat for your partner... and you've done this every day for two weeks... if your partner hasn't said anything, you might say something like:  "sweetheart, I'm really trying to follow through on my promises and I think I'm doing a good job;  am I doing a good job?" and "it would mean the world to me, when you see my trying, if you kissed me and said 'good girl'".  Perhaps this isn't the best wording, but I think you'll understand what I mean.  Instead of expecting your dominant to read your mind, explain your feelings in a supportive way and ask for what you want, lovingly.  There is no rule that says you can't ask for what you want - I actually prefer people who ask directly.  But, you also must be aware there is an appropriate time, place, and way to ask, especially when communicating to your dominant. :-)

Your job situation is likely contributing to the depression you're experiencing.  Jobs give us self value, structure, choices, opportunities to learn and make new friendships, and many other things I believe are essential for self equilibrium.  You've got some great skills so you will find something.  A suggestion.  Replying to job adverts is one way to find a job.  However, this means you're competing with hundreds (and possibly thousands) of other applicants.  As an alternative, instead of replying to adverts, try a more proactive, unique approach.  Pinpoint places you're interested in working and where you think your skills match up well.  Then, phone these companies and, if possible, find who the department manager is in your field.  If you can, make an appointment with this person and go in to introduce yourself.  Yes, you are cold calling (well, warm calling, actually).  Walking in separates you from the crowd and allows you to find jobs that aren't advertised.  Some managers may refuse to meet with you and you just have to take this in stride.  I can attest though, warm calling is a very effective way to find a job and, for me, this has been consistently more successful than going the "reply to adverts" approach.

Finally, I'm going to plug Lady Pact.  (Oops.  That sounds different than intended!)  The advice Lady Pact gave is sound and comes from her experience as a dominant in her relationships and in her local communities.  She's a very smart, sensible woman so you're wise, as you've already done, to give her posts second and third readings.

I hope you and your partner are able to talk and I hope you're feeling better after making some changes in your life, :-)

Elan.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 4:25:22 PM   
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ChatteParfaitt and risktaker9;

Thank you (both) for your kind words regarding my second-last post.  Much appreciated.

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RE: For my boyfriend. - 9/25/2011 5:08:48 PM   
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From my perspective, the things you listed are valid concerns and he doesn't seem to be doing anything to ground you in being a submissive. Listing things like a) easily losing his temper and b) thinking people are out to get him along with c) telling you to always come up with any idea you try says to me that you don't feel completely secure with him in a position of power, and you don't necessarily respect him. Those two things are pretty integral. At this point it seems he has no interest in learning about what he can do to better fill his role, and YES he does need to learn, and also to make YOU happy and inspire you to submit to him. If I said I wanted to be submissive, picked douche bag #1 and forced myself to submit to everything he wanted without making any demands on him at all I would be a doormat not a submissive. Of course you get to say you're not in the mood, at this point you haven't built the kind of relationship where you can submit to him sexually at any moment regardless of how you feel. That takes time and work from both people involved, it doesn't happen overnight just because you "decide" to be a submissive. I'd recommend sitting down and mapping out what you are looking for in this relationship. What sort of submissive do you want to be? What sort of dominant do you want? What are your submissive needs and desires? Bring these to him and ask him to do the same and communicate them with you. If you two get on the same page then continue on and both look into what steps you need to take to fulfill your desires for your relationship. If it turns out you are not compatible in a BDSM setting then decide to either not pursue it at this time or move and find someone else.

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