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RE: I renounce Christianity - 9/30/2011 11:25:53 PM   
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"God" never killed anybody, in fact
 Gen 7:23 : The Flood of Noah Gen 14:17-19 : Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 19:24 : Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:26 : Lot's wife Gen 38:7 : Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord Gen 38:10 : Onan for spilling his seed Gen 41:25-54 : God's seven year, world-wide famine Ex 9:25 : The seventh plague of Egypt: Hail Ex 12:29-30 : God killed all first born Egyptian children Ex 14:8-26 : God drowned the Egyptian army Ex 17:13 : Amalekites Ex 32:27-28 : Who is on the Lord's side? Ex 32:35 : God plagued the people because of Aaron's calf Lev 10:1-3 : God burns Aaron's sons to death Lev 24:10-23 : A blasphemer is stoned to death Num 11:1 : God burned people to death for complaining Num 11:33 : God plagued the people for complaining about the food Num 14:35-36 : Ten scouts are killed for their honest report Num 15:32-35 : A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day Num 16:27 : The opposing party is buried alive (with their families) Num 16:35 : 250 burned to death for burning incense Num 16:49 : For complaining about God's killings Num 21:1-3 : The massacre of the Aradites Num 21:6 : God sent snakes to bite people for complaining Num 25:1-11 : Phinehas' double murder: A killing to end God's killings Num 31:1-35 : The Midianite massacre: Have you saved the women alive? Dt 2:14-16 : God slowly kills the Israelite army Dt 2:21-22 : God the giant killer Dt 2:33-34 : God hardens King Sihon's heart so he can kill him and all his people Dt 3:3-6 : Og and the men, women, and children of 60 cites Jos 6:21 : The Jericho Massacre Jos 7:10-12, 24-26 : Achan and his family are stoned and burned to death Jos 8:1-25 : The Ai massacre Jos 10:10-11 : God stops the sun so Joshua can kill in the daylight Jos 10:26 : Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:28-42 : Joshua utterly destroys all that breathes as God commanded Jos 11:8-12 : Jabin, Jobab, and all the people of 20 cities Jos 11:20-21 : The Anakim: More giant killing Jg 1:4 : The Lord delivered the Canaanites and Perizzites Jg 1:8 : The Jerusalem Massacre Jg 1:9-25 : Five massacres, a wedding, and some God-proof iron chariots Jg 3:7-10 : The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:15-22 : Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:28-29 : God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3.31 : Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox goad Jg 4:15-16 : Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:18-22 : Jael pounds a tent stake through a sleeping man's skull Jg 7:22 : Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow Jg 9:23-57 : A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit Jg 11:32-33 : The Ammonite Massacre Jg 11:39 : Jephthah's Daughter Jg 12.4-7, Heb 11.32 : 42,000 killed for failing the "shibboleth" test Jg 14:19 : Samson murders 30 men for their clothes Jg 15:14-15 : Samson kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass Jg 16:27-30 : Samson kills 3000 in a suicide terrorist attack Jg 20:35-37 : A holy civil war (called by rotting concubine body part messages) Jg 21.10-14 : The End of Judges: Two genocides and 200 stolen virgins 1Sam 2:25, 1Sam 4:11 : God kills Eli's sons along with 34,000 Israelite soldiers 1Sam 5:1-12 : God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts 1Sam 6:19 : God killed 50,070 for looking into the ark of the Lord 1Sam 7:10-11 : The Lord thundered great thunder upon the Philistines 1Sam 11:6-13 : Another Ammonite Massacre (and another God-inspired body-part message) 1Sam 14:12-14 : Jonathan's very fist slaughter (not counting the one before) 1Sam 14:20 : God forces the Philistines to kill each other 1Sam 15:2-3 : The Amalekite genocide 1Sam 15:32-33 : Samuel hacks Agag to death before the Lord 1Sam 17.51, 2Sam 21.19 : David or Elhanan killed Goliath 1Sam 18.27 : David killed 200 Philistines for their foreskins (to buy his first wife) 1Sam 23:2-5 : The Lord said to David, Go and smite the Philistines 1Sam 25:38 : God killed Nabal (and David got his wife and other stuff) 1Sam 27.8-11 : David committed genocides for the Philistines 1Sam 30:17 : David spends the day killing Amalekites 1Sam 31:2, 1Chr 10:6 : God kills Saul, his sons, and his men because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites 2Sam 1.15 : David killed the messenger 2Sam 4.12 : David killed Rechab and Baanah, cut off their hands and feet, and hung up their dead bodies 2Sam 5:19-25 : God helps David smite Philistines from the front and the rear 2Sam 6:6-7, 1Chr 13:9-10 : God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2Sam 8.2 : David killed 2/3 Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest 2Sam 8.5, 10.18 : The Lord gave David victory wherever he went 2Sam 8.13, 1Kg 11.15-16, 1Chr 18.12, Psalm 60:1 : David killed every male in Edom 2Sam 11.1, 1Chr 20.1 : Thus did David unto all the children of Ammon 2Sam 12:14-18 : God slowly kills a baby 2Sam 21:1-9 : Famine and human sacrfice: Seven sons of Saul are hung up before the Lord 2Sam 23, 1Chr 11 : David's mighty men and their amazing killings 2Sam 24:15, 1Chr 21:14 : A couple hundred thousand die because David had a census 1Kg 2:29-34, 2:44-46 : Solomon carried out the deathbed wish of David by having Joab and Shimei murdered 1Kg 13:11-24 : A tale of two prophets 1Kg 14:17 : Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1Kg 15:29 : Jeroboam's family 1Kg 16:11-12 : Baasha's family and friends 1Kg 16.18-19 : Zimri burns to death 1Kg 17.1, Lk 4.25, James 5.17-18 : The drought of Elijah 1Kg 18.22-40 : Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest 1Kg 20:20-21 : The first God-assisted slaughter of the Syrians 1Kg 20:28-29 : God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills 1Kg 20:30 : God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a wall fall on them 1Kg 20:35-36 : God sent a lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet 1Kg 20:42, 22:35 : God kills Ahab for not killing a captured king 2Kg 1:10-12 : God burned to death 102 men for asking Elijah to come down from his hill 2Kg 1:16-17; 2Chr 22:7-9 : God killed King Ahaziah for asking the wrong God 2Kg 2:23-24 : God sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head 2Kg 3:18-25 : The Lord delivered the Moabites 2Kg 7.2-20 : A skeptic is trampled to death 2Kg 8:1 : Another seven year famine 2Kg 9:24 : Jehoram of Israel 2Kg 9:33-37 : Jezebel 2Kg 10:6-10 : Ahab's sons: Seventy heads in two heaps 2Kg 10:11 : Ahab's hometown family, friends, and priests 2Kg 10.12-13, 2Chr 22.7-9 : Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2Kg 10:17 : Jehu and his partner kill the rest of Ahab's family 2Kg 10.18-25 : Jehu assembles the followers of Baal and then slaughters them all 2Kg 11.17-20 : Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen Athaliah 2Kg 17:25-26 : God sends lions to eat those that don't fear him enough 2Kg 19:34, Is 37:36 : An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2Kg 19:37 : God caused Sennacherib to be killed by his sons 2Kg 23.20 : Josiah killed all the priests of the high places 1Chr 5:18-22 : Another holy war 2Chr 13:17-18 : God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2Chr 13:20 : Jeroboam 2Chr 14:9-14 : God killed a million Ethiopians 2Chr 20:22-25 : Friendly Fire: God forced "a great multitude" to kill each other 2Chr 21:14-19 : God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2Chr 22:1 : God killed Jehoram's sons 2Chr 22.7-9 : Ahaziah (of Judah) 2Chr 24:20-25 : Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2Chr 25:15-27 : God destroyed Amaziah 2Chr 28:1-5 : God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2Chr 28:6 : God killed 120,000 valiant men for forsaking him 2Chr 36:16-17 : The fall of Jerusalem Job 1:18-19 : God and Satan kill Job's children and slaves Jeremiah 28:15-16 : Hananiah Ezek 24:15-18 : Ezekiel's wife Acts 5:1-10 : Annanias and Sapphira Acts 12:23 : Herod Rom 8:32, 1Pet 1.18-20 : Jesus

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 9/30/2011 11:51:10 PM   
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1. Addressed "disease" above... from what? Eating shitty? Living shitty? (i.e., choice)
Or a mosquito bite, genetic mutation, airborne virus, waterborne virus, autism, gender disphoria, birth defects, lukemia, osteoporosis, parkinson's disease, MS, ALS, parasites in the earth <hookworm, etc.>, etc., etc., etc.
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2.  Earthquakes... show me where God stated, "Thou shall build thy home near the San Andreas Fault" (i.e., choice)
Most faults are hidden and therefore unknown til they slip, no foreknowledge = no choice.
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4.  House fires... likely faulty wiring by someone who didn't care (i.e., violates the whole, "Do unto others as you would have them to unto you" thing).  (i.e., choice)
Neighbours house catches fire and wind blows sparks onto your house which catches fire, wild fire.
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5.  Emotional suffering (from the loss of a loved one)... humans have emotions, yet still... some "suffer" from loss, some don't.  Some experience loss and move on with life, where others can't -- but choose not to seek/receive help in coping, where others do. (i.e., choice)
Why does it have to hurt at all? Why did God design us that way?
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The "victim" had a choice (free will) not to go into a shitty neighborhood at midnight, or hang-out with gang-bangers, or not to get on the freeway at rush hour, or live in an earthquake area, or not to juggle a chain saw, or a million other things.
Or sleep in your own bed in a quiet neighbourhood, or go to college, or go to work on September 11th, 2001?


You have plumbed the depths of the ridiculous in this post.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 9/30/2011 11:51:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is getting a lot like a very fast merry go round. "God" loves us. No "he" doesn't. "God" is all loving. No "he" isn't. "God" is all forgiving. No "he" isn't. Let me take a shot at a couple of these...just for fun. Would a true creator love something that it knew it created flawed. hmm guessing yes. If it didn't it would be like a mom hating a child born with fetal alcohol syndrome. You can't hate what you know you made wrong. You would have to love it or guilt would eat you alive(and before anyone says it yes I know some moms do hate kids that are not born perfect because of something they did...those are not moms they are dumb c*nts. Lets give "god" a little more credit for a second) Is "god" all loving....oh, this gets tricky but the answer I would have to say is define the word all. I'm a parent, I love my kid. Do I love it when he breaks the rules, gets in trouble, etc...no, but I keep loving him anyway because I love the child not his every action. "god" is all forgiving....again like a mom I am guessing "he" is, sort of. "he" might not like the idea but if "god" is all knowing, feels everything, etc. I'm guessing that again that includes guilt. But again think of god as a parent. If a child breaks the rules they normally get punished...so do we. Even if it hurts the parents feelings.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 9/30/2011 11:52:55 PM   
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Oh?!! And your proof God "knew" this is???
He's omniscient, all knowing, having infinite knowledge. He knows everything.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 9/30/2011 11:54:41 PM   
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Uhh... yeah, you do... note that some lie, cheat, steal, muder, etc., where others do not.
And who does what when is known long beforehand

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:12:16 AM   
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This is getting a lot like a very fast merry go round.
It is, and I have answered these same points over and over. I'm not going to anymore. If the point was inapplicable or fallacious the first time it was brought up, it will still be the hundredth time. If anybody has something to add that has not been said already, then by all means do so, but I'm just not interested in answering points I have already answered repeatedly.

What is undeniable is that if God is the creator then he created evil, it could not exist otherwise. And since God created evil he can not be all-loving as he clearly wants some of us to suffer through no fault of our own. Since he isn't all-loving, he isn't the omnibenevolant God proclaimed by Christianity.

Therefore Christianity is false doctrine.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:22:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would shout the word amen here...but I think I might be being rude. Just keep searching little sister. Sooner or later no matter how hard we try not to find it our own truth gets us in the end. Bright blessings, peace be with you, have a good one....all that.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:29:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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"God" never killed anybody, in fact
 Gen 7:23 : The Flood of Noah Gen 14:17-19 : Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 19:24 : Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:26 : Lot's wife Gen 38:7 : Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord Gen 38:10 : Onan for spilling his seed Gen 41:25-54 : God's seven year, world-wide famine Ex 9:25 : The seventh plague of Egypt: Hail Ex 12:29-30 : God killed all first born Egyptian children Ex 14:8-26 : God drowned the Egyptian army Ex 17:13 : Amalekites Ex 32:27-28 : Who is on the Lord's side? Ex 32:35 : God plagued the people because of Aaron's calf Lev 10:1-3 : God burns Aaron's sons to death Lev 24:10-23 : A blasphemer is stoned to death Num 11:1 : God burned people to death for complaining Num 11:33 : God plagued the people for complaining about the food Num 14:35-36 : Ten scouts are killed for their honest report Num 15:32-35 : A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day Num 16:27 : The opposing party is buried alive (with their families) Num 16:35 : 250 burned to death for burning incense Num 16:49 : For complaining about God's killings Num 21:1-3 : The massacre of the Aradites Num 21:6 : God sent snakes to bite people for complaining Num 25:1-11 : Phinehas' double murder: A killing to end God's killings Num 31:1-35 : The Midianite massacre: Have you saved the women alive? Dt 2:14-16 : God slowly kills the Israelite army Dt 2:21-22 : God the giant killer Dt 2:33-34 : God hardens King Sihon's heart so he can kill him and all his people Dt 3:3-6 : Og and the men, women, and children of 60 cites Jos 6:21 : The Jericho Massacre Jos 7:10-12, 24-26 : Achan and his family are stoned and burned to death Jos 8:1-25 : The Ai massacre Jos 10:10-11 : God stops the sun so Joshua can kill in the daylight Jos 10:26 : Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:28-42 : Joshua utterly destroys all that breathes as God commanded Jos 11:8-12 : Jabin, Jobab, and all the people of 20 cities Jos 11:20-21 : The Anakim: More giant killing Jg 1:4 : The Lord delivered the Canaanites and Perizzites Jg 1:8 : The Jerusalem Massacre Jg 1:9-25 : Five massacres, a wedding, and some God-proof iron chariots Jg 3:7-10 : The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:15-22 : Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:28-29 : God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3.31 : Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox goad Jg 4:15-16 : Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:18-22 : Jael pounds a tent stake through a sleeping man's skull Jg 7:22 : Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow Jg 9:23-57 : A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit Jg 11:32-33 : The Ammonite Massacre Jg 11:39 : Jephthah's Daughter Jg 12.4-7, Heb 11.32 : 42,000 killed for failing the "shibboleth" test Jg 14:19 : Samson murders 30 men for their clothes Jg 15:14-15 : Samson kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass Jg 16:27-30 : Samson kills 3000 in a suicide terrorist attack Jg 20:35-37 : A holy civil war (called by rotting concubine body part messages) Jg 21.10-14 : The End of Judges: Two genocides and 200 stolen virgins 1Sam 2:25, 1Sam 4:11 : God kills Eli's sons along with 34,000 Israelite soldiers 1Sam 5:1-12 : God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts 1Sam 6:19 : God killed 50,070 for looking into the ark of the Lord 1Sam 7:10-11 : The Lord thundered great thunder upon the Philistines 1Sam 11:6-13 : Another Ammonite Massacre (and another God-inspired body-part message) 1Sam 14:12-14 : Jonathan's very fist slaughter (not counting the one before) 1Sam 14:20 : God forces the Philistines to kill each other 1Sam 15:2-3 : The Amalekite genocide 1Sam 15:32-33 : Samuel hacks Agag to death before the Lord 1Sam 17.51, 2Sam 21.19 : David or Elhanan killed Goliath 1Sam 18.27 : David killed 200 Philistines for their foreskins (to buy his first wife) 1Sam 23:2-5 : The Lord said to David, Go and smite the Philistines 1Sam 25:38 : God killed Nabal (and David got his wife and other stuff) 1Sam 27.8-11 : David committed genocides for the Philistines 1Sam 30:17 : David spends the day killing Amalekites 1Sam 31:2, 1Chr 10:6 : God kills Saul, his sons, and his men because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites 2Sam 1.15 : David killed the messenger 2Sam 4.12 : David killed Rechab and Baanah, cut off their hands and feet, and hung up their dead bodies 2Sam 5:19-25 : God helps David smite Philistines from the front and the rear 2Sam 6:6-7, 1Chr 13:9-10 : God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2Sam 8.2 : David killed 2/3 Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest 2Sam 8.5, 10.18 : The Lord gave David victory wherever he went 2Sam 8.13, 1Kg 11.15-16, 1Chr 18.12, Psalm 60:1 : David killed every male in Edom 2Sam 11.1, 1Chr 20.1 : Thus did David unto all the children of Ammon 2Sam 12:14-18 : God slowly kills a baby 2Sam 21:1-9 : Famine and human sacrfice: Seven sons of Saul are hung up before the Lord 2Sam 23, 1Chr 11 : David's mighty men and their amazing killings 2Sam 24:15, 1Chr 21:14 : A couple hundred thousand die because David had a census 1Kg 2:29-34, 2:44-46 : Solomon carried out the deathbed wish of David by having Joab and Shimei murdered 1Kg 13:11-24 : A tale of two prophets 1Kg 14:17 : Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1Kg 15:29 : Jeroboam's family 1Kg 16:11-12 : Baasha's family and friends 1Kg 16.18-19 : Zimri burns to death 1Kg 17.1, Lk 4.25, James 5.17-18 : The drought of Elijah 1Kg 18.22-40 : Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest 1Kg 20:20-21 : The first God-assisted slaughter of the Syrians 1Kg 20:28-29 : God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills 1Kg 20:30 : God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a wall fall on them 1Kg 20:35-36 : God sent a lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet 1Kg 20:42, 22:35 : God kills Ahab for not killing a captured king 2Kg 1:10-12 : God burned to death 102 men for asking Elijah to come down from his hill 2Kg 1:16-17; 2Chr 22:7-9 : God killed King Ahaziah for asking the wrong God 2Kg 2:23-24 : God sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head 2Kg 3:18-25 : The Lord delivered the Moabites 2Kg 7.2-20 : A skeptic is trampled to death 2Kg 8:1 : Another seven year famine 2Kg 9:24 : Jehoram of Israel 2Kg 9:33-37 : Jezebel 2Kg 10:6-10 : Ahab's sons: Seventy heads in two heaps 2Kg 10:11 : Ahab's hometown family, friends, and priests 2Kg 10.12-13, 2Chr 22.7-9 : Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2Kg 10:17 : Jehu and his partner kill the rest of Ahab's family 2Kg 10.18-25 : Jehu assembles the followers of Baal and then slaughters them all 2Kg 11.17-20 : Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen Athaliah 2Kg 17:25-26 : God sends lions to eat those that don't fear him enough 2Kg 19:34, Is 37:36 : An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2Kg 19:37 : God caused Sennacherib to be killed by his sons 2Kg 23.20 : Josiah killed all the priests of the high places 1Chr 5:18-22 : Another holy war 2Chr 13:17-18 : God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2Chr 13:20 : Jeroboam 2Chr 14:9-14 : God killed a million Ethiopians 2Chr 20:22-25 : Friendly Fire: God forced "a great multitude" to kill each other 2Chr 21:14-19 : God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2Chr 22:1 : God killed Jehoram's sons 2Chr 22.7-9 : Ahaziah (of Judah) 2Chr 24:20-25 : Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2Chr 25:15-27 : God destroyed Amaziah 2Chr 28:1-5 : God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2Chr 28:6 : God killed 120,000 valiant men for forsaking him 2Chr 36:16-17 : The fall of Jerusalem Job 1:18-19 : God and Satan kill Job's children and slaves Jeremiah 28:15-16 : Hananiah Ezek 24:15-18 : Ezekiel's wife Acts 5:1-10 : Annanias and Sapphira Acts 12:23 : Herod Rom 8:32, 1Pet 1.18-20 : Jesus...

Thank you for the list!
I read the whole Bible long, long, LONG ago. But I did not take notes on murders. Thank you!

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:31:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

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1. Addressed "disease" above... from what? Eating shitty? Living shitty? (i.e., choice)
Or a mosquito bite, genetic mutation, airborne virus, waterborne virus, autism, gender disphoria, birth defects, lukemia, osteoporosis, parkinson's disease, MS, ALS, parasites in the earth <hookworm, etc.>, etc., etc., etc.


"Genetetic mutation" (man fucking with nature), "virus" (from what.... pollution or ???), "birth defects" (did mommy do drugs, smoke, drink, genetics, ???), "lukemia" (genetic), "parasites" (wtf... why not include water too?  Fucking ridiculous)


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2.  Earthquakes... show me where God stated, "Thou shall build thy home near the San Andreas Fault" (i.e., choice)

Most faults are hidden and therefore unknown til they slip, no foreknowledge = no choice.
Bullshit.  Try again.

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4.  House fires... likely faulty wiring by someone who didn't care (i.e., violates the whole, "Do unto others as you would have them to unto you" thing).  (i.e., choice)
Neighbours house catches fire and wind blows sparks onto your house which catches fire, wild fire.


Why did "neighbor's house catch fire" -- shitty wiring... neglect???  What kind of roof on your house?!!  Do you have a fire alarm?  Fire insurance?!!  Failed to clean brush from your house, causing a fire hazard.  Puh-leeze!!!

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5.  Emotional suffering (from the loss of a loved one)... humans have emotions, yet still... some "suffer" from loss, some don't.  Some experience loss and move on with life, where others can't -- but choose not to seek/receive help in coping, where others do. (i.e., choice)
Why does it have to hurt at all? Why did God design us that way?


Likely the same reason you have five fingers, instead of 4 or 6.  Pain likely has as much a purpose as joy.

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The "victim" had a choice (free will) not to go into a shitty neighborhood at midnight, or hang-out with gang-bangers, or not to get on the freeway at rush hour, or live in an earthquake area, or not to juggle a chain saw, or a million other things.
Or sleep in your own bed in a quiet neighbourhood, or go to college, or go to work on September 11th, 2001?
Yeah, and those with "free will" (i.e., choice) elected not to follow God's rules about murder, while the victims chose to walk across campus alone at night, or leave their bedroom window unlocked, or whatever.
 
See, the difference here is I know I don't have all the answers as to why certain things happen, where you ridiculously think you do -- and that is to blame God for everything you don't like about your life.  However, the great irony here... now that you CAN'T blame God/Christianity anymore, then who are you going to blame or scapegoat for every little thing in your life that doesn't go as expected?!!

As has already been stated, I could honestly care less if you or anyone else believes in God or not... you asked a question, I answered.  Accept it, reject it, do nothing with it.  It matters not... I've seen God's work in my life (as I made a CHOICE to believe), where you clearly haven't in your own, so believe (or don't believe) as you wish -- because once again, "For those who believe, no explaination is necessary. For those who do not, no explaination is possible."  I have faith, you don't... and it doesn't matter either way.




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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:39:21 AM   
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He's omniscient, all knowing, having infinite knowledge. He knows everything.


Great... so then he knows not to waste anymore time on someone like you, who has made a CHOICE to hate/renounce him (just as Satan did).  So who ya gonna hate/blame now for your and the word's ills and misfortunes?



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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:43:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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"God" never killed anybody, in fact
 Gen 7:23 : The Flood of Noah Gen 14:17-19 : Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 19:24 : Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:26 : Lot's wife Gen 38:7 : Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord Gen 38:10 : Onan for spilling his seed Gen 41:25-54 : God's seven year, world-wide famine Ex 9:25 : The seventh plague of Egypt: Hail Ex 12:29-30 : God killed all first born Egyptian children Ex 14:8-26 : God drowned the Egyptian army Ex 17:13 : Amalekites Ex 32:27-28 : Who is on the Lord's side? Ex 32:35 : God plagued the people because of Aaron's calf Lev 10:1-3 : God burns Aaron's sons to death Lev 24:10-23 : A blasphemer is stoned to death Num 11:1 : God burned people to death for complaining Num 11:33 : God plagued the people for complaining about the food Num 14:35-36 : Ten scouts are killed for their honest report Num 15:32-35 : A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day Num 16:27 : The opposing party is buried alive (with their families) Num 16:35 : 250 burned to death for burning incense Num 16:49 : For complaining about God's killings Num 21:1-3 : The massacre of the Aradites Num 21:6 : God sent snakes to bite people for complaining Num 25:1-11 : Phinehas' double murder: A killing to end God's killings Num 31:1-35 : The Midianite massacre: Have you saved the women alive? Dt 2:14-16 : God slowly kills the Israelite army Dt 2:21-22 : God the giant killer Dt 2:33-34 : God hardens King Sihon's heart so he can kill him and all his people Dt 3:3-6 : Og and the men, women, and children of 60 cites Jos 6:21 : The Jericho Massacre Jos 7:10-12, 24-26 : Achan and his family are stoned and burned to death Jos 8:1-25 : The Ai massacre Jos 10:10-11 : God stops the sun so Joshua can kill in the daylight Jos 10:26 : Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:28-42 : Joshua utterly destroys all that breathes as God commanded Jos 11:8-12 : Jabin, Jobab, and all the people of 20 cities Jos 11:20-21 : The Anakim: More giant killing Jg 1:4 : The Lord delivered the Canaanites and Perizzites Jg 1:8 : The Jerusalem Massacre Jg 1:9-25 : Five massacres, a wedding, and some God-proof iron chariots Jg 3:7-10 : The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:15-22 : Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:28-29 : God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3.31 : Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox goad Jg 4:15-16 : Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:18-22 : Jael pounds a tent stake through a sleeping man's skull Jg 7:22 : Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow Jg 9:23-57 : A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit Jg 11:32-33 : The Ammonite Massacre Jg 11:39 : Jephthah's Daughter Jg 12.4-7, Heb 11.32 : 42,000 killed for failing the "shibboleth" test Jg 14:19 : Samson murders 30 men for their clothes Jg 15:14-15 : Samson kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass Jg 16:27-30 : Samson kills 3000 in a suicide terrorist attack Jg 20:35-37 : A holy civil war (called by rotting concubine body part messages) Jg 21.10-14 : The End of Judges: Two genocides and 200 stolen virgins 1Sam 2:25, 1Sam 4:11 : God kills Eli's sons along with 34,000 Israelite soldiers 1Sam 5:1-12 : God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts 1Sam 6:19 : God killed 50,070 for looking into the ark of the Lord 1Sam 7:10-11 : The Lord thundered great thunder upon the Philistines 1Sam 11:6-13 : Another Ammonite Massacre (and another God-inspired body-part message) 1Sam 14:12-14 : Jonathan's very fist slaughter (not counting the one before) 1Sam 14:20 : God forces the Philistines to kill each other 1Sam 15:2-3 : The Amalekite genocide 1Sam 15:32-33 : Samuel hacks Agag to death before the Lord 1Sam 17.51, 2Sam 21.19 : David or Elhanan killed Goliath 1Sam 18.27 : David killed 200 Philistines for their foreskins (to buy his first wife) 1Sam 23:2-5 : The Lord said to David, Go and smite the Philistines 1Sam 25:38 : God killed Nabal (and David got his wife and other stuff) 1Sam 27.8-11 : David committed genocides for the Philistines 1Sam 30:17 : David spends the day killing Amalekites 1Sam 31:2, 1Chr 10:6 : God kills Saul, his sons, and his men because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites 2Sam 1.15 : David killed the messenger 2Sam 4.12 : David killed Rechab and Baanah, cut off their hands and feet, and hung up their dead bodies 2Sam 5:19-25 : God helps David smite Philistines from the front and the rear 2Sam 6:6-7, 1Chr 13:9-10 : God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2Sam 8.2 : David killed 2/3 Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest 2Sam 8.5, 10.18 : The Lord gave David victory wherever he went 2Sam 8.13, 1Kg 11.15-16, 1Chr 18.12, Psalm 60:1 : David killed every male in Edom 2Sam 11.1, 1Chr 20.1 : Thus did David unto all the children of Ammon 2Sam 12:14-18 : God slowly kills a baby 2Sam 21:1-9 : Famine and human sacrfice: Seven sons of Saul are hung up before the Lord 2Sam 23, 1Chr 11 : David's mighty men and their amazing killings 2Sam 24:15, 1Chr 21:14 : A couple hundred thousand die because David had a census 1Kg 2:29-34, 2:44-46 : Solomon carried out the deathbed wish of David by having Joab and Shimei murdered 1Kg 13:11-24 : A tale of two prophets 1Kg 14:17 : Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1Kg 15:29 : Jeroboam's family 1Kg 16:11-12 : Baasha's family and friends 1Kg 16.18-19 : Zimri burns to death 1Kg 17.1, Lk 4.25, James 5.17-18 : The drought of Elijah 1Kg 18.22-40 : Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest 1Kg 20:20-21 : The first God-assisted slaughter of the Syrians 1Kg 20:28-29 : God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills 1Kg 20:30 : God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a wall fall on them 1Kg 20:35-36 : God sent a lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet 1Kg 20:42, 22:35 : God kills Ahab for not killing a captured king 2Kg 1:10-12 : God burned to death 102 men for asking Elijah to come down from his hill 2Kg 1:16-17; 2Chr 22:7-9 : God killed King Ahaziah for asking the wrong God 2Kg 2:23-24 : God sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head 2Kg 3:18-25 : The Lord delivered the Moabites 2Kg 7.2-20 : A skeptic is trampled to death 2Kg 8:1 : Another seven year famine 2Kg 9:24 : Jehoram of Israel 2Kg 9:33-37 : Jezebel 2Kg 10:6-10 : Ahab's sons: Seventy heads in two heaps 2Kg 10:11 : Ahab's hometown family, friends, and priests 2Kg 10.12-13, 2Chr 22.7-9 : Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2Kg 10:17 : Jehu and his partner kill the rest of Ahab's family 2Kg 10.18-25 : Jehu assembles the followers of Baal and then slaughters them all 2Kg 11.17-20 : Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen Athaliah 2Kg 17:25-26 : God sends lions to eat those that don't fear him enough 2Kg 19:34, Is 37:36 : An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2Kg 19:37 : God caused Sennacherib to be killed by his sons 2Kg 23.20 : Josiah killed all the priests of the high places 1Chr 5:18-22 : Another holy war 2Chr 13:17-18 : God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2Chr 13:20 : Jeroboam 2Chr 14:9-14 : God killed a million Ethiopians 2Chr 20:22-25 : Friendly Fire: God forced "a great multitude" to kill each other 2Chr 21:14-19 : God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2Chr 22:1 : God killed Jehoram's sons 2Chr 22.7-9 : Ahaziah (of Judah) 2Chr 24:20-25 : Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2Chr 25:15-27 : God destroyed Amaziah 2Chr 28:1-5 : God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2Chr 28:6 : God killed 120,000 valiant men for forsaking him 2Chr 36:16-17 : The fall of Jerusalem Job 1:18-19 : God and Satan kill Job's children and slaves Jeremiah 28:15-16 : Hananiah Ezek 24:15-18 : Ezekiel's wife Acts 5:1-10 : Annanias and Sapphira Acts 12:23 : Herod Rom 8:32, 1Pet 1.18-20 : Jesus


once again blaming God for what man did.

fuck get a clue.


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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:48:23 AM   
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Uhh... yeah, you do... note that some lie, cheat, steal, muder, etc., where others do not.
And who does what when is known long beforehand


God's laws are in the Bible for people to CHOOSE to follow or not... so umm... yeah, despite your false comment that, "you don't actually make the choice to follow the rules or not", one does -- just like you're making the CHOICE to "renounce" God, Christianity, or whatever.  Knock yourself out... your "choice" has no bearing on me.  You asked some questions, and got some answers.  But again, now that you don't have God/Christianity to hate/blame for the world's ills or your misfortunes, now who ya gonna blame/hate when things don't go as planned?!!




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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 12:55:53 AM   
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Once again, this thread has very well demonstrated...

For those who believe, no explaination is necessary. For those who do not, no explaination is possible.
 
 

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 1:45:37 AM   
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Once again, this thread has very well demonstrated...



That you lack logic any objectivity when it comes to practical discussions. You are a prime example of why religeon is so difficult to discuss between different denominations. Any time someone refutes your sky boogie man theory you go batshit and start condescending the person you are speaking to as if you are in some rediculous way, superior. Which completely puts a nail in that whole let ye who has not sinned cast the first stone thing.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 2:16:46 AM   
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Allow me...

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

Nice title btw.

Now, I would love to understand how someone came up with the "estimates". lol

But, if you look at Wells sites, for his source, a book Drunk with Blood: God's killing in the Bible is a book he wrote himself. You can purchase it for 16.95.

Where did His numbers come from?

Much more information about God's killings, with a chapter on each of the 135 killing events, can be found int the book:

Drunk With Blood: God's killings in the Bible



All these were "Gods" killings?

Interesting... a natural disaster, I can see the argument for that being a "Gods killing"

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/08/gods-28th-killing-god-slowly-kills.html

Gotta love the comment on that one...lol

Steve Wells said...
I agree, PF. It is a silly story. But, hey, it's the Bible.

Still, it seems like God made a point of killing all "the men of war" just like he swore he would. It took him 38 years to do it and they all would have died anyway, but he did it. (I guess.)

So does he get credit for another 600,000, or what?

ROFL

The writer doesnt know himself.



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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 2:25:18 AM   
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I am sorry but this is plain wrong. Yahweh in the Bible messes up with mankind constantly, notably including the total genocide of everybody on Earth but a single family, but also including many other cases. So - what you are telling is absolutely not what the Bible says. You can believe it, of course, but it is not the Yahweh, the God of the Biblie. Best regards.


Total genocide of everyone on earth but one family? You actually believe that?

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 2:29:42 AM   
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Actually Jehovah created it all:

Isaiah 45:7 - forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.

This is the Darby Translation, which is a more accurate translation than most. Now though it is created, that does not mean the maker is held accountable for those that use the creations. Life is, and that is where God's action leave off. From then on, it is all about our choices.

There is no Christianity that I have found within any mainstream religion. As someone has pointed out, there is Paulism, meaning that Paul twisted and used much of what was left behind from the legends of "The Christ". There was much blending and mixing of things, so that in the end the creation was a tool with a purpose, and that purpose would live on long after Paul had put it in motion.

Do not blame "God" for anything more than the creation of everything. If you love, then you must accept there will be hate. My studies finally led me to a more Deist/Taoist approach to things.

I do hope you find your answers some day.



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Something that has been said more than once... something those who are here only with the intention of brow beating those who believe in religion have repeatedly chosen to ignore.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 2:32:46 AM   
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I have tried about 10 times to reply to what has been said, but it just ends up being a repetition of what I said before. I have little or nothing to add at this point, it's been a long 9 hours since I last posted.  Maybe I will think of something new to add later, but right now I'm tired and there just doesn't seem to be anything said here that I haven't already responded to.

I have asked several times why there is evil in the world and the only people who have attempted an answer say they don't know. Well I do. I know why.

Because God wants it that way. He wants wars, disease, suffering, murders, rapes, cancers, and all the other horrible things that exist. He even wants love to be a source of pain.

How do I know he wants it this way?

Because he made it this way.

Think about that for a while and then tell me how that goes along with a kind, loving, just god?


He doesnt want it that way.

We made it that way.

When people stop blaming something they claim they do not believe in, they may see the difference.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 2:35:22 AM   
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Gee, that's helpful. What variants of Christianity teach that?



Many. Try visiting them all. Try asking questions instead of believing what you are told simply because it fits into your narrow view of what everyone should believe.

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RE: I renounce Christianity - 10/1/2011 3:11:21 AM   
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This is getting a lot like a very fast merry go round.
It is, and I have answered these same points over and over. I'm not going to anymore. If the point was inapplicable or fallacious the first time it was brought up, it will still be the hundredth time. If anybody has something to add that has not been said already, then by all means do so, but I'm just not interested in answering points I have already answered repeatedly.

What is undeniable is that if God is the creator then he created evil, it could not exist otherwise. And since God created evil he can not be all-loving as he clearly wants some of us to suffer through no fault of our own. Since he isn't all-loving, he isn't the omnibenevolant God proclaimed by Christianity.

Therefore Christianity is false doctrine.



There is a book that a friend sent to me as a Christmas gift, called "The Shack" by Wm. Paul Young. It is about a man whose young daughter is abducted and murdered. It causes him to have many of the same questions that you are having. I'm not saying that it will change your mind, but it does delve into answers to your questions.

"The Shack" at Amazon.com

Perhaps you can get it at your local library. Questioning things is good. Not finding answers is frustrating. This book does offer more than just, "have faith, trust, believe." Even for me the story is a bit difficult to comprehend, but it still has some of the answers to your questions. It is also supposedly a true story (if you read it, you will see why I say it is a bit difficult to believe at times).

Problem here is that nearly everything descends into people becoming argumentative and either saying the believers are fools or the atheists cheering like they got another to join the "common sense" crowd. Faith and belief are very personal and individual. Regardless of my beliefs or anyone else's, you have to find the answers for yourself, the ones that work for you.

None of us can tell you why God, nature or fate allowed your friend to die, nor can we make you change your mind one way or the other, we can only offer condolences and the hope that one day, you will come to terms with what happened in a way that works for you.

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