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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:42:38 PM   
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A Federal instalation is still a Federal installation ...and Lincoln had gone t great lengths to assure southern leaders that what was being done was a resupply of food and water...not war materials....Southern leaders,particularly in the person of Beuregard disregarded these assurances and commenced the shooting.....paint it any way you want,they fired on a federal instalation that was flying a Federal flag...hence they,and they alone commenced the ensuing conflagration .
No other wY to look at it.

When was their lease up?

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:43:32 PM   
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It was indeed the war of Northern Aggression.

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Perhaps the war of Southern Secession, is better?

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They can call it whatever the fuck they like...everyone knows the victors write the history books...it was The Civil War...and they lost,they must learn to deal with that


Technically, it did not fit the definition of a 'Civil War,' since the South was not trying to take power in Washington.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:43:50 PM   
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A Federal instalation is still a Federal installation ...and Lincoln had gone t great lengths to assure southern leaders that what was being done was a resupply of food and water...not war materials....Southern leaders,particularly in the person of Beuregard disregarded these assurances and commenced the shooting.....paint it any way you want,they fired on a federal instalation that was flying a Federal flag...hence they,and they alone commenced the ensuing conflagration .
No other wY to look at it.

When was their lease up?

Firm



Oh fuck. Yes of course it was a war if Northern Aggression, if slvmike says it wasnt.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:47:45 PM   
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..............except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger...............

Yeah the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth....So help me, Allah!!!!

I think you need to dig a little deeper.

You are basically taking the position that if the President orders a US military force to assassinate an American citizen, that is legal.

Firm

If that person is a self admitted traitor, as both these were, and beyond the reach of our laws, residing in a foreign nation that does not extradite to the US, then I'm hard pressed to see how they could be afforded the protections of our laws.

BTW where was your concern when Padilla was being held in direct violation of this same amednment?

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:50:07 PM   
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It was indeed the war of Northern Aggression.


Perhaps the war of Southern Secession, is better?

Nope, sorry.  Northern Aggression.  If the North had honored the spirit of the union of sovereign states at the time, then it follows that there no longer existed "Federal" installations on South Carolina ground.  They no longer had jurisdiction.  Therefore, SC was simply taking back land that belonged to them, but held by a faithless foreign power through force of arms.

The first aggression occurred when the Union forces occupied Ft Sumter.  It was done without the request or direction of Washington, but Washington seized upon the illegal occupation and attempted to reinforce it. 

The occupation itself was casus belli for the South, but the government and military forces of SC attempted a peaceful resolution many times. 

It was nothing more than the intransigence and belligerence of the North which caused the war.

Therefore ... War of Northern Aggression.

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They can call it whatever the fuck they like...everyone knows the victors write the history books...it was The Civil War...and they lost,they must learn to deal with that


Technically, it did not fit the definition of a 'Civil War,' since the South was not trying to take power in Washington.

Again, proving my point.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:52:51 PM   
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Oh fuck. Yes of course it was a war if Northern Aggression, if slvmike says it wasnt.

I was wondering when you would catch on.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:56:22 PM   
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A Federal instalation is still a Federal installation ...and Lincoln had gone t great lengths to assure southern leaders that what was being done was a resupply of food and water...not war materials....Southern leaders,particularly in the person of Beuregard disregarded these assurances and commenced the shooting.....paint it any way you want,they fired on a federal instalation that was flying a Federal flag...hence they,and they alone commenced the ensuing conflagration .
No other wY to look at it.

When was their lease up?

Firm

That is not the point of this particular discussion,Lincoln had assured the south that he would not initiate hostilities,he would not take up arms to compel then to submission.....he was determined to find a peaceful solution to the difficulties.....and yet the forces of the south fired on the flag they had previously swore fealty to.
That was the overt beginning of an armed conflict....not the invasion of Virginia...which in light of Sumpter was nothing more than a military exercise seeking to suppress an armed and violent rebellion .

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 2:58:24 PM   
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That is not the point of this particular discussion,Lincoln had assured the south that he would not initiate hostilities,he would not take up arms to compel then to submission.....he was determined to find a peaceful solution to the difficulties.....and yet the forces of the south fired on the flag they had previously swore fealty to.
That was the overt beginning of an armed conflict....not the invasion of Virginia...which in light of Sumpter was nothing more than a military exercise seeking to suppress an armed and violent rebellion .

Did Union forces occupy an empty installation that was under the jurisdiction of the State of South Carolina, and did this occur prior to any shoots being fired by the Southern forces?

.and yet the forces of the south fired on the flag they had previously swore fealty to.
South Carolina gave due and proper notice that they were withdrawing from the Union, therefore they no longer owed any fealty to the flag.  It had become a foreign flag of an occupying power.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:04:37 PM   
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Two American militants, including senior Al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, were killed in Yemen early Friday morning by a CIA-led U.S. drone strike, marking the highest-profile takedown of terror leaders since the raid on Usama bin Laden's compound.

Fox News has learned that two Predator drones hovering above al-Awlaki's convoy fired the Hellfire missiles which killed the terror leader. According to a senior U.S. official, the operation was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command, under the direction of the CIA.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/30/us-born-terror-boss-anwar-al-awlaki-killed/?google_editors_picks=true



How can "faux" news be believed hon? ;-)

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:06:34 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:08:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		At first, it is funny to even talk about the Constitution in these cases. It is well documented Anwar al-Awlaki was a double agent working for the CIA. To believe what the government news reports is rather naive. One can only speculate what really happened. Maybe they just decided him to retire and he was moved to Bahamas under new identity and with hefty CIA pension. The other option is CIA decided to violate its contracts in this case. It could possibly be a new round to destroy 9/11 evidence. Fake OBL killing belonging to the same category. The truth movements are gaining ground.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:10:08 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:17:18 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:24:57 PM   
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It is well documented Anwar al-Awlaki was a double agent working for the CIA. To believe what the government news reports is rather naive.



Any of this "well documented" evidence available for us to see ?

It is incredible that you can be so gullible.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:25:04 PM   
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Nope,


Blah, blah, blah. TL;DR

It was a joke.

 
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Again, proving my point.

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Whatever.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:37:46 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:40:08 PM   
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This took a lot more political courage than bin Laden. WTG President Obama.


I agree, and my respect for you has been restored for not turning this into political capital with constitutional arguments over something that was legalized and never argued about in the Patriot Act.

oh shit... hey stay there a sec I gotta lob a call to the CHP and tell em I was kidding about someone having yellowcake in the trunk of their mercedes...


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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The positive implications of this are immense. Alwaki was very influential in his recruiting videos to America in particular and the west in general.

I dont think even those who are dubious of the legalities of his death, will mourn his demise.


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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 4:57:49 PM   
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Many on the left were completely insincere in their hateful diatribes against George W. Bush, the proof is in the pudding.

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lolfauxoutrage!

The "Rule of Law" has been disregarded for a long time, and it's too late to be whining about its loss at this late date.

We tried to warn you that letting people get away with torture had side-effects you weren't considering. Here they are.




And where the hell did you go once you got control? Serious dude cause I helped you vote people in over the Patriot Act and the bs that slid by with it. Friggin disappeared is where you went, the instant a dem became president.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 5:01:50 PM   
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