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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:07:52 PM   
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We specifically DID NOT go after gaddafi personally.....for a reason,


Yet.

I am quite happy President Obama offed al-Awlak and when Muammar finds out what a CIA drone looks like close up I will applaud
President Obama for that one too.

And then of course.... there is Mahmoud....something tells me 2012 will be a tad uncomfortable him.... I am thinking late September to the first week in November will be particularly stressful.




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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:08:07 PM   
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There`s a story that he was turned against us, after being tortured on our behalf,in Yemen.


That would have been during bush`s "torture them all,let god sort them out" days.


If true,this would be a striking example of a neo-con policy failure.


The "torture policy".



Any link for this. His dad was high up in the Yemeni government so I doubt your claim is true.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:12:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/at-anwar-al-awlakis-former-mosque-in-northern-virginia-reaction-to-clerics-death-is-mixed/2011/09/30/gIQA56mNAL_story.html

The mosque said al-Awlaki, born in the U.S. to Yemeni parents, was known for his “interfaith outreach, civic engagement, and tolerance” when he served as imam at Dar al-Hijrah from January 2001 to April 2002. It said he did not begin preaching violence until later, after he was arrested and allegedly tortured in Yemen.


Listening to a Brit analyst on NPR today,he said there was no doubt he was held in their prison.How one can know for sure that he was or wasn`t tortured,I can`t say.

But something happened.

He claimed that he was tortured.And at the time,Yemen was one of the torture out-source countries we were(bush was) using.

So if true,this would point to torture actually causing terrorism,not preventing it.

As well as dragging us down to the level of savages.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:14:36 PM   
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That's a great line....

I'm tempted to steal it for a facebook update!

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:17:05 PM   
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There`s a story ...

Unless you have something more than a story, owner ...

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:20:00 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:23:25 PM   
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There`s a story ...

Unless you have something more than a story, owner ...

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Oh no.....we don`t want to know if it`s true or not......

Such a brave man.......

Let`s just say it is true,would you agree that torture causes terrorism?

Or is that to difficult a question for you to ponder?

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:48:55 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:49:28 PM   
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Oh no.....we don`t want to know if it`s true or not......

Such a brave man.......

Let`s just say it is true,would you agree that torture causes terrorism?

Or is that to difficult a question for you to ponder?

Does torture cause terrorism?

No.

And I don't mind hearing stories.  Even if not true, they have a utility at times.

But basing policy decisions on false beliefs and "facts" can be dangerous.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:54:24 PM   
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of course there is the possibility that if it were not for individual assassinations, that there would be more war and innocents dying, so he is worthy of another one, for taking out the baddest of the terrorist trouble makers before it reaches war. Leading to a peace everyone would benefit from???



So you would support assassination as a policy for a nation?

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 6:55:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		So can cherry picking from intel and/or thinking that torture produces accurate intel.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 7:25:51 PM   
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of course there is the possibility that if it were not for individual assassinations, that there would be more war and innocents dying, so he is worthy of another one, for taking out the baddest of the terrorist trouble makers before it reaches war. Leading to a peace everyone would benefit from???



So you would support assassination as a policy for a nation?

Firm




Something needs to be changed, amended updated, looked at..to change to the times we live in.war is not the same as it was 50 years ago, let alone 250 years ago.
and of course its not the same for the US than it was even 10 years ago.. war with countries isnt the only game-Iraq proved that for most people. Terrorism is a speciality on its own. Therefore it needs to have appropriate measures , single targets instead of a whole country is worse?
Of course... who is a terrorist and who decides is the big issue. but something has to be looked into
Im not going to apologise for being happy a terrorist being dead...rather one dead than him and a thousand innocents
do I trust any government to be efffective and incident free? do I look green to you?
Its one of the reasons why I didnt want to get into the "rules"
But I support dead terrorist assassinations more than I do seeing regions torn up by fighting armies, their machines and ugly ugly innocent deaths.



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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 7:30:44 PM   
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Rich, big difference for some of us who were critical of GITMO. Many of those shipped there were not terrorists so should never have gone there.

The ones that did go there should have been treated under American law while in custody.





I think Gitmo was a great idea, from a realpolitik standpoint, Polite. For being 90 miles away, it is about as far from US soil as you are going to get. No opportunities for the amoral opportunists (or the sincere, for that matter) to do big sit-ins for the media, outside the gate As to who shouldn't have been there, my inclination is to cut the guys who made the decisions a good bit of slack.

If by "American law," you mean the civilian courts, then I completely disagree. This sort of stateless war doesn't fit easily with the Geneva Conventions, but seeing as they are clearly intended as attacks against a nation, the military tribunal seems the appropriate venue.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 7:35:31 PM   
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Just google ? I tried that before I posted and found no credible link.


As for your link, have YOU actually watched it ?
It hardly makes a case for what you are suggesting.

When something like this leaks out do you expect Pentagon and CIA to say: Yes, he works for us? It is generally known Al Qaeda is not a solid organization but rather a loose group of fighters. The best description to Al Qaeda given is it being a CIA database. Many of these people are on CIA payroll since Soviet Afghanistan invasion. It is SOP for major intelligence organizations. Russian KGB (now FSB) operates exactly the same way; Chechen fighters and FSB co-operate in many levels. I feel sorry for people who have not understood the fight against terrorism is a scam.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 7:41:21 PM   
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I think Gitmo was a great idea, from a realpolitik standpoint,...


And this is one of the reasons why "the left" hates it so much. Closing it was a major Democrat issue in 2008 and President Obama
vowed to close it... and yet....

Well as they say.... upon being crowned, a king begins to see things differently.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 7:41:50 PM   
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True to an extent. However, it's hard not to see a targeted murder of an American citizen without judicial review as anything other than a "bright line" in our political and legal history.
I was going to say something referencing the 5th amendment , but that does make the exception of  "except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger". Which COULD be seen as applicable, though its a stretch.

That and when you think about it, it's not really any different from what happened to Bonnie & Clyde, Dillenger, Creepy Carpis, and so on. They were basically just gunned down with no real effort to capture them weren't they?


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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 8:08:12 PM   
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Typical for people of your level, you cannot logically discuss the topic. Your only hope in a debate are these tired trollish ad hominems

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 8:34:27 PM   
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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 9:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I were president….I would say to the CIA….” Make an attempt to apprehend him but be sure if this is not possible then kill him. That way we could say he was killed in a firefight while we were attempting to apprehend him“.

Why does Obama not have sense enough for a simple solution.

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RE: TERROR - US Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA... - 9/30/2011 10:11:55 PM   
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