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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 10/15/2011 1:05:43 AM   
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I guess I'm forced to ask .... when does submission = 'acts like a passive pushover'?

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 10/15/2011 9:26:35 AM   
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I guess I'm forced to ask .... when does submission = 'acts like a passive pushover'?

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Yeah, it gets tiresome, doesn't it, when the men want to enforce the bad stereotypes all by themselves?

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 10/17/2011 4:56:14 AM   
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If they did not appeal then we would not want to have a submissive man around us would we?

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 10/17/2011 5:21:27 AM   
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BINGO !!!

Absolutely true. No woman wants a pushover. Where is the joy in that? Submission from a man that is meek and has no power to submit is no giving his submission so much as simply given up and comes across as settling in life. We women pick up on that quite readily and sense that desperation and it is imminently unattractive in either sex.


Maybe there's something almost akin to a mathematical formula in that. A femdom wants a quantity, X, of submission from her sub. The more he's non-submissive in general, but submissive to her, the more of that quantity X she's getting.

Well, OK, up to a point. I don't suppose every femdom fantasises about getting the Incredible Hulk to submit to her. Or would they??





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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 10/17/2011 7:07:42 PM   
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OP, I will answer your questions, as well as make comments on the posts of others but first I need to toss in my two cents about marrieds.  If a wife doesn't know and hasn't set limits on playtime...I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.  Part of your problem might not be your submission, but have a very vanilla answer instead; some women don't want to be some man's dirty little secret.  They want to be a priority in his life instead of...just hanging on for crumbs, and being there for him with emotional bandaids every time he and his wife have problems.

I have never had a relationship with a married man, but I've had female friends who cried on my shoulder, especially around birthdays and Christmas when they were all alone and he was with his family.  Enough said.

"Are Women attracted to submissive men?"  Depends by what you mean by submissive.  If he has given up on life and doesn't care about anything, and will merely go along with it if some woman chases him down and corners him into a relationship...Hell no.  If he doesn't know how to stand up for himself and submits to everyone...Hell no.  Let's not confuse male subs with doormats or wimps...no wimp could handle being on the receiving end of my viper tipped rubber flogger.

For us, Dominance/submission involves having a very close bond based on intense trust, where his submission to me feeds both of us and makes us stronger somehow.  Basically, when he says "As you wish" he is also telling me that he loves me and would trust me with his life.  Also, his genuine submission forces me to trust him as much as I trust my own arm.  He is also my knight and would literally fight for me, and I have to respect that his manhood and submissive feelings require him to feel protective over my wellbeing, and if necessary, step into the role of daddying me if I were seriously ill or just needed this from him.  With the panic attacks I have, yes, this comes into it often enough.  We have found that he is better for me than medicine...when I feel my brain cranking up chemicals for a panic attack, I tell him "Come here, give me your chest, rub my hair" and his caretaking doesn't make him any less submissive to me.  Is it hawt to be able to trust someone this deeply?  YES! 

My sub will be whatever I need him to be, this takes amazing strength from a person...to step up to the plate and be willing and capable of handling anything life throws at us. 

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Are the Dominant Women on CM attracted to submisive men when it comes to having just plain old sex, or would You prefer to have a non-submisive guy for that?

LOL.  I gave up vanilla sex for years because I had lost interest in men who insisted on doing everything THEIR way.  Or with guys who had their egoes badly damaged if I asked if we could try something a little different, like deep shallow thrusting instead of...what they thought they were entitled to do.  Left tit, right tit, IN!  Oh please .  Guys giving oral by using their tongue to f*ck my vagina instead of licking/sucking my clit...   These same guys would pout and throw tantrums like spoiled toddlers if I wanted to use a vibe on my clit to cum several times before having sex with them, or if I dared to try to write any of the script.  Here's a clue to why I like submissive males...THEY TAKE DIRECTIONS. 

Mine gets off on doing what I ask, even if I get all the orgasms and he gets none that night...nor that weekend.  Pleasing me gives him a boner, and our love life doesn't revolve around worshipping the moments his dick decides to get hard.  (He's cute walking around all hard and helpless like that.) 

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And is that why cuckolding is popular with dominant Womwn and why Dommes often reserve the right to have other men then their subs. Non-sub men are for sex and sub man are for doing what you say, playing with, spanking and suffering for Your pleasure.

I see a lot more men with this fantasy than women.  In the past eight years I have never known a woman who was into cuckolding, but have known thousands of men who pleaded for this.  It is not my kink though; nothing about it turns me on.  I'm the one-on-one sort and my sub would die inside if I even took a second sub...adding a third into our relationship is a hard limit for both of us.  He was married three times and all three wives cheated on him, one with his best friend and another with his brother-in-law; he has been there, done that, without his consent and I feel it would destroy his soul to endure it again...so even if something happened to him and he couldn't "get it up" anymore and offered to endure letting me get my groove on with someone else...I would tell him Hell no.  It would not be good for US, as he is a part of me because he is my property and it would harm him.

I can understand that some men want to be cuckolded and the many reasons, feelings, whatever they enjoy from it, but...unless a woman is a serious swinger...this could get exhausting having that revolving door on the bedroom keep swirling around, getting medical checkups, ensuring that the sub/slave stays the primary relationship and that sex with other males doesn't compromise this.  I am not condemning this kink, but darn...it sure sounds complicated and exhausting to me.  Too much hard work, especially for those of us who are not into casual sex.

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If i lied about why i was here like half of CM, would you have responded then. I will get rid of that part of my profile if it makes you happy.

So...if Lockit told you it would make her happy if you told your wife what you are doing behind her back...you'd do that too?  LOL, come on and get real.  You removed it because you knew by our reactions it would lessen your chances of finding a play partner here.  I will concede the point you made about half the people here at CM (at least those who keep to the chatrooms and mailroom, and rarely wander over here into the message boards) are likely married and cheating.  Think for a moment where the fault lies.  Without CM, these same people would be cruising bars, or checking out their wife's closest friends.

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And why is everyone so hostile against me?

I feel no hostility towards you, personally.  If you cannot see the point, why many have issues with your cheating on your wife (are you really never going to do this in r/t?) then our morals are polar opposite from your own.  What I do involves deep trust...even cybering with some guy on the internet behind my sub's back would be violating his trust and an act of betrayal.  This cuts both ways and I would consider it akin to committing adultery...if he even cybered with someone without my prior consent.

Look.  I've had friends who were poly, and others who had open marriages and were into swinging...and with each friend their rules spelled out that both of them knew about every potential partner in advance...and had veto power concerning any potential partner their spouse was considering.  To help me understand, they told me to get a book called The Ethical Slut. 
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ORIGINAL:  Hillwilliam
It's like a truly competent horseman (or woman). If given the choice between riding a gentle 16 year old gelding and a barely broken young stallion guess which they'll choose?

Grinning real big here.  Yeah... Sometimes I can barely stay in the saddle, but wow what a ride.

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ORIGINAL:  PeonForHer
Well, OK, up to a point. I don't suppose every femdom fantasises about getting the Incredible Hulk to submit to her. Or would they??

Gawd Peon, you've done it again.  Made me think this through.  

  I cannot freaking believe this, but yes, I did have some dreams that made HP fan friends of mine squawk and splutter with indignation.  They saw Prof. Snape as Domly and yet...so okay I saw him as a sub and lusted to collar him. 

On several levels that count in a hawt way...  I did.  My sub reminds me of Prof. Snape.    (His hair even gets very greasy within an hour of shampooing it, lol.)


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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/9/2011 1:49:57 PM   
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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I am attracted to submissive men. I like alpha men who are in an authoritative role at work but who give up that authority at home in deference to me. I am not looking for a doormat or a 'yes Maam' type. I love men who trust my judgement enough to allow me to lead the relationship. He might not always get what he wants, but he will always get what he needs.

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/10/2011 8:20:20 AM   
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I actually find it a thrill to know a Domme would not want anything to do with me sexually. Years ago, a Mistress I served made me watch her boyfriend making love to her while I was doing maid cleaning. It was a REAL denial thrill.
Basically, BDSM is not a sexual thing for me. It is a purely psychological kick.

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/10/2011 2:16:01 PM   
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I've been interacting with a lady lately, she tells me that she prefers the way that I apparently don't wish to be tied up and tortured, and apparently find it humiliating and unpleasant (obviously I do wish it, the hard on gives it away!) as opposed to an earlier play partner of hers who explicitly enjoyed it and was always asking for more. Eventually I submit completely because I am powerless to defend myself and can't take the punishment any longer, that turns her on more than the guy who bends over and asks for it.

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/10/2011 3:43:38 PM   
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I'm not interested in looking at your profile or going into the intricate details of your personal life but I will answer your question, which btw was a perfectly reasonable one.

I don't find all the submissive men I scene with sexually attractive but I do find some of them are. I had a four year relationship with a male sub and I'm not going to do that if I'm not going to fuck his brains out on occasion!
For those submissive guys not interested in sex, fine but are you going to remain celibate if and when you find yourself in a long term relationship? personally I couldn't be interested in someone so deep into their own trip.
So why do I scene with guys I don't fancy? Because they are available and keen to do something that I enjoy within a club environment. In other words they are willing props for my entertainment. The only connection is that we are both pleasing one another in the moment but when the scene is over its over. I am never going to have a relationship with these guys, I have no interest in giving them a sexual using either.
On the other hand I can't scene with a woman I don't find sexually attractive. Sexual attraction brings out a very different dominance in me. A deep connection that drives me to a lengthy dominant foreplay. I guess that sums me up as a sexual dominant!!

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/12/2011 10:42:06 PM   
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I think the trick is to be an attractive man.

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/13/2011 6:45:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: nick51068

I was reading a Mistress' blog a few weeks back and one of her statements was that most Women are not attracted to submisive guys.

So istarted to think back to my dating years and see that it is probably true. I was always very nice to my vanilla girlfreinds and still am very nice to my wife (that's always a good thing). Now other then (than) my wife they would go out with me for a while (i guess they got board....bored) and dump me, a few weeks later when the next guy treated them like shit they came back, i took them (the guy?) back and a few months later they would dump me again. This would happen 3-4 times before i would stop taking them back and i would move to the next girl that would basically do the same thing.  How's your wife dealing with all this commotion?

Now we always had fun and these girls always wanted to still be freinds (friends). In fact they would call me after they dumped me to hang out. So it is not like they didn't like me as a person (they DUMPED you!), they just didn't want to be my GFs.   Well, having a wife and all....that does tend to complicate things.

Now this brings me to my question. Are the Dominant Women on CM attracted to submisive (submissive) men when it comes to having just plain old sex, or would You prefer to have a non-submisive (see previous) guy for that? And is that why cuckolding is popular with dominant Womwn (Wimmens?  Womyn?  Women?) and why Dommes often reserve the right to have other men then their subs (They're Chics....they have tits and other things....they control the world....this is a question?). Non-sub men are for sex and sub man (men) are for doing what you say, playing with, spanking and suffering for Your pleasure.

Would love to hear people's thoughts.


You're looking for a spanking.....whiz.....jack (of all.......)...this was written to be a precursor to your fantasy.....try to be less elusive and simply state your intent (it's fairly clear).

(Sorry.....could he'p m'sef :) )



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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/13/2011 6:50:50 PM   
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Boredom is rough, ain't it, JJ? Have you considered (more) masturbation?

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/13/2011 9:31:26 PM   
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Boredom is rough, ain't it, JJ? Have you considered (more) masturbation?


Yes I have.

Tomorrow, UPS is delivering a hot tub filled with Vaseline.

(I may be gone for a while).

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/13/2011 10:24:20 PM   
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AWESOME! And you'll be all moisturized!!

(Um. You were gonna sit IN the hot tub, right? So it would go glurp.glurp. like the mud pits at Yellowstone?)

What?

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/14/2011 5:45:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nick51068

I was reading a Mistress' blog a few weeks back and one of her statements was that most Women are not attracted to submisive guys.

So istarted to think back to my dating years and see that it is probably true. I was always very nice to my vanilla girlfreinds and still am very nice to my wife. Now other then my wife they would go out with me for a while (i guess they got board) and dump me, a few weeks later when the next guy treated them like shit they came back, i took them back and a few months later they would dump me again. This would happen 3-4 times before i would stop taking them back and i would move to the next girl that would basically do the same thing.

Now we always had fun and these girls always wanted to still be freinds. In fact they would call me after they dumped me to hang out. So it is not like they didn't like me as a person, they just didn't want to be my GFs.

Now this brings me to my question. Are the Dominant Women on CM attracted to submisive men when it comes to having just plain old sex, or would You prefer to have a non-submisive guy for that? And is that why cuckolding is popular with dominant Womwn and why Dommes often reserve the right to have other men then their subs. Non-sub men are for sex and sub man are for doing what you say, playing with, spanking and suffering for Your pleasure.

Would love to hear people's thoughts.


Married point first, I read the OP's intentions as seeking an outlet to talk about his D/s past, nothing more. I don't talk to my husband about things in my past which he has no understanding or interest in, and he does not bore me to tears with stories of his glory days doing those things I have no interest or understanding in. I don't see what the big deal is if all he wants to do is chat about his past experiences, not looking for new ones.

On to the question. People are programmed on a fundamental level to pick mates for their suitability to the roles which we require them to be, and these roles and the demands of these roles changes with the rest of civilisation, not to mention their own perception of their needs and the world around them.

I think women in general have a fragment of genetic programming in them to seek out the most "exciting" male with which to breed, the subconscious draw towards "the fittest donor". On a genetic level, the gene pool craves aggression because they make the best survivors, the so called "animal magnetism". The primal instinct, however, is only as insistent as its relevance to any given society. Depending on your background, more "submissive" or "sensitive" men would appeal or more "manly", "dominant" men-- it really depends on the anatomy of your society. In the late 70s to early 90s, most of Asia trended towards sensitive, submissive type men when the focus of society shifted towards intellectual supremacy and mutual understanding. Prior to that, the preference went to buff, tough men who could work the land, wrestle down livestock and beat up other men to protect you. See what I'm saying?

Whether a Domme is attracted to a submissive man is down to what she perceives a sub's role, and a sexual partner's role, to be, like any other woman. Some will, some won't.

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/14/2011 6:04:31 PM   
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I guess I tend to think of submissive men as all "sissies" and as being weak. Certainly not a "provider" type, or someone to help get me out of a bad situation, or protect me. I don't even like "switch" men, because I always feel they are actually submissive men who say they are Dom for the most part, because that's what they think is expected of them. So .... no switches either.

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/14/2011 6:08:51 PM   
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I don't even like "switch" men, because I always feel they are actually submissive men who say they are Dom for the most part, because that's what they think is expected of them.


That's kind of interesting, I tend to consider them vanilla looking to spice things up in the bedroom, or Dom pretending to be sub lol

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/14/2011 7:06:34 PM   
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I guess I tend to think of submissive men as all "sissies" and as being weak. .


Yup, that's me all over, Mari. I do tend to puff a bit if I lift more than twice my own body-weight.

PS - what's going on out there in North America? Are all the trappers coming out of the mountains for winter or something?


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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/14/2011 7:24:51 PM   
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AWESOME! And you'll be all moisturized!!

(Um. You were gonna sit IN the hot tub, right? So it would go glurp.glurp. like the mud pits at Yellowstone?)

What?


I'm going to be squishy.

(And slippery).

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RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men? - 11/14/2011 7:28:24 PM   
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You excite me, JJ.

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