RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (Full Version)

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tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 4:39:44 PM)

But, for the sake of argument, please do list these tribes you are insisting do not require lineage.



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 4:49:01 PM)

No you gave a list of tribes that do require a certain blood quanta.

Not a list of all 500+tribes.

From Wiki.

I gave an actuall government site that says clearly and explcitly, that each tribe sets it own rule, and that some groups allow "tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe " as criteria.


For example, I knew a white guy from Indiana, who married a woman outside Bethel alaska. He was made a tribal corparation member so that he would be allowed to hunt and provide for His Wife and Children. HE had lived there for years and was a part of thier village. So he was inducted, legally.

thugh I will say you strayed really far from the original point that you were incorrect on.

and a person who is 50% native American, but not enrolled in a tribe (like many Hispanics),gets no benefit as a Native.

The BIA rolls are more important than Quanta (though the two are often related)



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 4:52:55 PM)

Also tazzy in reality, legal decesnt and actually blood are not the same thing.

Not everyone's Daddy is actually thier Daddy....

It's always been that way.



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 4:57:14 PM)

Native people can also adopt children outside thier race, and the children get tribal membership, as do thier descendants.

Blood quanta is the most common,

But it is not the only criteria.





tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:00:52 PM)

quote:

"tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe " as criteria.


I asked for a list that uses these as its only requirements for membership.

Tribes require lineage.

Again, from your source

How do I apply for enrollment in a tribe?

After you have completed your genealogical research, documented your ancestry, and determined the tribe with which your ancestor was affiliated, you are ready to contact the tribe directly to obtain the criteria for membership.

All that before you apply.



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:03:12 PM)

sure tazzy, you can pretend that if you like.

moving on.....



Politesub53 -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:05:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Also tazzy in reality, legal decesnt and actually blood are not the same thing.

Not everyone's Daddy is actually thier Daddy....

It's always been that way.



Non grammatical jibberish. [;)]



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:10:34 PM)

God, trolls are boring.....

what a sad life to run around attacking people on the web.

are you incapable of engaging in the Topic or a subthread?







Politesub53 -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:12:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

God, trolls are boring.....

what a sad life to run around attacking people on the web.

are you incapable of engaging in the Topic or a subthread?




Yet it is okay for you to post it, not once but twice. How very hypocritical of you, but whats new.



tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:17:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

sure tazzy, you can pretend that if you like.

moving on.....



LOL

in lucky speak... you cant. [:D]



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:23:55 PM)

can't what?

Prove somehting I never asserted?


If you want to pretend people who have native blood get special privledges, based on thier race, go ahead.

If you want to believe that one must be a genetic descendant of a tribe to be enrolled, go ahead. There are several unusuall exceptions, which you have been provided.


Tribal Benefits are accrued by tribal membership, not race (despite there being a large overlap of the two).



tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:26:31 PM)

I said blood is required. What do you think lineage establishes? And, yes, under those treaties, they do. Try and apply for them. [;)]

In order to be a member, you have to establish lineage. Something you cannot dispute.



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 5:35:23 PM)

yet I do dispute it, for example, memebers can adopt a child outside thier race.

http://www.afognak.org/html/enrollment.php

"Any blood descendant or adoptee of a base roll member and their descendants."

I also gave an anedoctal example.


And furthermore, a person can have the required blood quanta (but can't proove it) and not be enrolled, there are many hispanics who fall into that catagory)



tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 6:00:05 PM)

Thats an Eskimo tribe.



luckydawg -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 6:11:41 PM)

Yes they are. They are Native Americans.

your list from post 27 says we are talking aobu them as well as Guam and hawaiians.



SternSkipper -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 6:45:39 PM)

quote:

An example of those Americans who feel they have "rights" over a land because they are descendants of somebody:


man I knew they were all about budget cuts in the Tea Party, but B&W Photography?
Although they probably have one of those annoying fat fuck geeks with the Magik Cards nin his shirt pocket to go "Well actually it's more artistic" or some hit like that.....



[image]local://upfiles/18637/B9FB7931C51C4DC6BF06B1371F60ECC6.jpg[/image]



tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 6:56:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

yet I do dispute it, for example, memebers can adopt a child outside thier race.

http://www.afognak.org/html/enrollment.php

"Any blood descendant or adoptee of a base roll member and their descendants."

I also gave an anedoctal example.


And furthermore, a person can have the required blood quanta (but can't proove it) and not be enrolled, there are many hispanics who fall into that catagory)


Your site got it wrong.

From the actual application.

MEMBERSHIP ELIGIBILITY: Based on our constitution and enrollment ordinance, a person must meet the
following eligibility requirements in order to become a tribal member:
1. Any person listed on the Base Roll for the tribe, or
2. Any blood descendent or adoptee of Native descent of a base enrollee and their descendants by blood or adoption, or
3. Persons of Native descent with historic or ancestral ties to the Village of Afognak

http://www.afognak.org/files/enrollment/enrollment%20packet%202011.pdf



kalikshama -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 7:20:24 PM)

Tazzy for the win!



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 7:32:47 PM)

And the OP for the loss if it continues as a derailment of the original perceived intent of the OP. Maybe any continued back and forth can be taken to it's own topic, private message or something else.



tazzygirl -> RE: Race, Ethnicity, Language and Guilt - Take II (10/5/2011 8:35:05 PM)

I dont view it as a derailment. Its race related, talking about ethnic differences.



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