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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 7:02:53 PM   
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Graham is nuts. Obama's entire strategy was to NOT invade. Just like GHW Bush, he formed a coalition of supporters that did not directly intervene, but propped up the rebels and supported them.


No argument there ... Hey what would you say if we threw him and Kucinich in a fucking wrestling cage? We could bill it as Congressional WUSS DeathMatch and sell tickets. I think a lot of people would pay money to see those two take each other out with like kitchen spatulas or some other personality appropriate weapon.



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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 7:29:00 PM   
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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 8:01:32 PM   
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He was in power for 42 years and no one did anything (of any consequence) but all of a sudden, its sooooo imperative to get him... Imo, after everyone left him alone to his part of the world for 42 fucking years, no one had any business doing or helping the rebels in any way now. Jmo



Nothing happened before because it would have required an invasion of an outside force.  It's been pretty clearly proven (thanks, W) that that leads to a miserable morass.  Here, we were given the chance to topple him solely by nudging things and helping the rebels win.

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Thats just it. We were asked.


And not just by Libya.  The Arab League specifically endorsed action (and then reversed itself afterward for some odd reason).


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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 8:18:52 PM   
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Nothing happened before because it would have required an invasion of an outside force.  It's been pretty clearly proven (thanks, W) that that leads to a miserable morass.  Here, we were given the chance to topple him solely by nudging things and helping the rebels win.

and the US had no problem going against NATO by invading Iraq, (not just once but twice). But we will see how this turns out. I somehow doubt whoever the new dictator will be, that he will be any better.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 8:38:13 PM   
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Nothing happened before because it would have required an invasion of an outside force.  It's been pretty clearly proven (thanks, W) that that leads to a miserable morass.  Here, we were given the chance to topple him solely by nudging things and helping the rebels win.

and the US had no problem going against NATO by invading Iraq, (not just once but twice). But we will see how this turns out. I somehow doubt whoever the new dictator will be, that he will be any better.


Not fair to say "US".

The blame for that cluster-fuck lay with a relatively small group of men and one woman,Condi Rice.

We were essentially tricked into it, with the threat of nuclear attack,fresh on the heals of an unbelievably devastating,almost incomprehensible attack in NYC and in Washington.

I don`t think the neo-cons could have pulled off invading Iraq if 9/11 didn`t happen.Just wouldn`t have happened.

We wouldn`t have invaded Afghanistan either,without 9/11.

The gripe by cons about not invading Libya with our own troops, sooner, is more about bush and his fuck ups and trying to cover for him.

We avoided doing those things on purpose in Libya.bush`s Iraq policy was an instruction manual on exactly what NOT to do.


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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 8:53:22 PM   
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The quotes I gave were recent regarding the demonstrations of Libyans marching for their rights. The oppostion was calling out for help in order not to get slaughtered for demanding their rights.


we will see what kind of rights they have now under sharia law and see if they are all that different than before..




We were asked to come help. What the people decide for themselves from here on out is their decision. If they put in another bad leader, we arent responsible.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 8:56:42 PM   
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Not fair to say "US".

The blame for that cluster-fuck lay with a relatively small group of men and one woman,Condi Rice.

We were essentially tricked into it, with the threat of nuclear attack,fresh on the heals of an unbelievably evastating,almost incomprehensible attack in NYC and in Washington.

I don`t think they could have pulled off invading Iraq without 9/11 not happening.Just wouldn`t have happened.

We wouldn`t have invaded Afghanistan either,without 9/11.

Not fair to say "US"?

The relatively small group of men and one woman was the US govt and it included the President. Nato said no to invading Iraq, the US went charging ahead anyway. Why is it that NATO didnt believe the lie and tricks but the US did? Its because you wanted to believe it, you wanted to blame someone and you wanted revenge. Then when it all comes out you justify your invasion as he was a bad dictator (like any dictators are good lol). And yet,.. when it comes to Gadaffi, Bush makes a deal and lifts sanctions... Alrighty then...

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 8:59:36 PM   
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The relatively small group of men and one woman was the US govt and it included the President. Nato said no to invading Iraq, the US went charging ahead anyway.


We were not the only country.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 9:04:38 PM   
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Some people are ok with waiting for the slowest to respond.


In a perilous world,that means a lot of folks are out of luck.


If you are drowning,hopefully you won`t have to wait for the slowest rescuer to come for you or wonder if you`re worth rescuing to them.


Life is cheaper in some parts of the world than in others.


People not giving a fuck is one contributing factor to that.


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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 9:12:46 PM   
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The relatively small group of men and one woman was the US govt and it included the President. Nato said no to invading Iraq, the US went charging ahead anyway.


We were not the only country.


I think the Britts were also tricked.

You didn`t see the Canucks or those freedom-fry hating French fall for it.

The others were the coalition of the payed.

Again,without 9/11,Iraq never would have happened.

Without the dis-honest cheney/bush admin.,it never would have happened.

And if there were more honest men in the GOP with a spine,it never would have happened.

I don`t think its fair to blame the American people for the Iraq tragedy.

The American people (and the Iraqis) are certainly paying the price though.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/24/2011 9:30:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Australian forces, and Spain and Poland also invaded. Am I excusing them, or the US? nope. We had no business there for the reasons we gave.



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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/25/2011 9:04:22 AM   
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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/25/2011 9:08:00 AM   
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.. Maybe that's the strategy, Niceguy Jeb gets in and plays janitor in the bush trifecta... Ick



A pox on you for even mentioning the possibility!!!!!!!

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/25/2011 9:13:54 AM   
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.....I think the Britts were also tricked.

..............I don`t think its fair to blame the American people for the Iraq tragedy.

The American people (and the Iraqis) are certainly paying the price though.


I think the US PEOPLE were hoodwinked. I think the administration knew all along there were no WMDs.

I think we get the politicians we deserve.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/25/2011 9:14:22 AM   
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And don't worry about Lindsey Graham, we're going to get rid of him in 2014.


You said that three years ago also.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/25/2011 9:15:01 AM   
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and the US had no problem going against NATO by invading Iraq, (not just once but twice). But we will see how this turns out. I somehow doubt whoever the new dictator will be, that he will be any better.



Well he'll have a fresh start one hopes, he wont have been a Gamel Abdul Nassar acolyte, wont have killed Anwar Al-Sadat, won't have killed countless others as a terrorist, including 200 americans on one plane, he wont have been the guy training terrorists that W was off on by a couple thousand miles and a few letters in spelling that caused this nation such great ruination.....

He'll have 42 years to get all that done........and I'll be getting in shape to be the oldest living man alive ......

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/25/2011 9:32:10 AM   
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I think we get the politicians we deserve.

yes,.. but if both parties are basically the same (as Americans are now finding), then what? A Lybian inspired American rebellion/revolution? Arent the American people also asking for help from their own govt? maybe not quite the same way (yet), but still.. Good thing for the govt that they have the Patriot Act... the govt doesnt need to be a Dictatorship with that act..

Its too bad.. the US could have been as great again as it once was..

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/26/2011 5:31:10 AM   
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Yup,no US (or NATO) casualties and about a billion spent to get one real actual terrrorist vs. 4400 dead GIs(plus tens of thousands of serious injuries),and a trillion dollars spent to get a would-be terrorist.
Not much a comparison,is there?
I wonder how many GIs killed would have been worth getting Gadhafi a few months sooner?
Republican = hypocrite.






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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/26/2011 6:47:18 AM   
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Owner, we shouldn't have done anything about Libya. That was purely a European problem. We had no dog in that fight.

Ehm... please explain how Iraq was an US problem and Libya not.
And why exactly Lybia was an European problem.
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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/26/2011 6:58:51 AM   
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I say we had pan am 103 in that fight for one thing.

and that was in 1986 and the US and NATO did squat. Bush finally got him to pay several billion in compensation and Bush lifted the sanctions agains Lybia in return. Its been done and over for a long time. He was in power for 42 years and no one did anything (of any consequence) but all of a sudden, its sooooo imperative to get him... Imo, after everyone left him alone to his part of the world for 42 fucking years, no one had any business doing or helping the rebels in any way now. Jmo



Yeah, that 's great.

Bush sucked his cock for a few billion that was predicated on conditions from Libya including lifting trade sanctions.

Sounded more like blackmail to me.  "If you agree to what we want we will compensate the families of the innocent people we murdered".

If that was your son or daughter on that plane would you be happy with that settlement?

There were many reasons why we went into Libya, but primarily because he was waging war against his own people.

Wasn't that one of the justifications that conservatives used for why we invaded Iraq? 

Of course it was only thought up after they were embarrassed when we didn't find those weapons of mass destruction.







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