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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 5:45:00 AM   
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Dear FirstQuaker, I am sorry but I have no interest on following this conversation with you. If you insist, I will have to "hide" you. I prefer not to do it because I do not completely exclude that I may understand you correctly some day, in some other subject. But again, IMHO, your last message made absolutely no sense at all (registered offspring of Jesus? I mean... WTF!?!? "so organised"? as what? enough for some of them, a small minority, to inherit a title? is this "so organised"? we the Silva are organized because I inherited my family name? WTFF!? I do not understand a single point of this man!)


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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 6:30:11 AM   
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Well, hidden then. The point that Muslim fundamentalists do kill Mohammed's offspring without a wink was already clear and I really do not understand this man or what he pretends.
Maybe somebody else can explain me... is he radically against Islam or something? Racist? Fan of conspirative theories? Fascist? Was was that?


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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 10:46:32 AM   
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It makes discussing Prince Charles far  more interesting, when you discover he is one of these Mohammed ancestored holy men.



Except he isnt.

The only example you have is the word of one man, one man who doesnt even have much of a following in Cyprus. Quoting him as knowing the facts is as valid as quoting you.

Prince Charles has indicated his liking for a multi faith society, so maybe that what you are thinking of.



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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 10:51:05 AM   
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So there really isn't an Abdul bin bonneyCharlie in the royal family?

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 12:07:26 PM   
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So there really isn't an Abdul bin bonneyCharlie in the royal family?


Oh the British Royals are hit many ways with being descendants of the Koran writer. As I noted that fusion occurred way back when and was in the Spanish rulers, who pretty well intermarried with every one anywhere worth being on the feudal pecking order. I thin Scandinavian nobility were the only ones really getting shortchanged on the deal. But the Russian royals, the Eastern European ones, the German ones, etc. are all on the Sayid list.

Of course Charles also brags up his ancestor Vlad the Impaler occasionally  . . .

But that is where Obama got his "Muslim" roots, along with his cousin Bush the Younger, through the EUropean side of his ancestry, from a certain king named Edward the Fourth. But this fulfills the Muslim prophecy just as well.

How this particular idea of how they should be ruled plays out in the Shia/Sunni divide ins interesting, since it is the Shia  who see these "hereditary saints" as holy men and the sole ones allowed to rule their communities and nations as kings/popes, while the Sunnis believe in the separation of the church and state, and don't believe in hereditary rule, per se

How it is gonna play out in Libya is where the same group who made up the majority of the foreign jihadists entering Iraq and now making up the rank and file of the Libya revolt start to have their say in how Libya is run -

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.The most striking finding which emerges from the West Point study is that the corridor which goes from Benghazi to Tobruk, passing through the city of Darnah (also transliterated as Derna) them represents one of the greatest concentrations of jihadi terrorists to be found anywhere in the world, and by some measures can be regarded as the leading source of suicide bombers anywhere on the planet. Darnah, with one terrorist fighter sent into Iraq to kill Americans for every 1,000 to 1,500 persons of population, emerges as suicide bomber heaven, easily surpassing the closest competitor, which was Riyad, Saudi Arabia.


2007 West Point Study Shows Benghazi-Darnah-Tobruk Area was a World Leader in Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment
The politics of the Al-Qaeda are somewhat primitive, especially considering their membership criteria, however they do believe in bringing Muslim governments (they consider the House of Saud ursurpers) down and to replace them with a Koranic styled Caliphate among their other Allah given tasks  -

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Al Qaeda is not a centralized organization, but rather a gaggle or congeries of fanatics, dupes, psychotics, misfits, double agents, provocateurs, mercenaries, and other elements. As noted, Al Qaeda was founded by the United States and the British during the struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Many of its leaders, such as the reputed second-in-command Ayman Zawahiri and the current rising star Anwar Awlaki, are evidently double agents of MI-6 and/or the CIA. The basic belief structure of Al Qaeda is that all existing Arab and Moslem governments are illegitimate and should be destroyed, because they do not represent the caliphate which Al Qaeda asserts is described by the Koran. This means that the Al Qaeda ideology offers a ready and easy way for the Anglo-American secret intelligence agencies to attack and destabilize existing Arab and Muslim governments as part of the ceaseless need of imperialism and colonialism to loot and attack the developing nations. This is precisely what is happening in Libya today.


Not that the Russian federation hasn't discussed using just this as a divide and conquer tactic on their own Muslim fundes.

But the time to play this game in Libya was never, and if anyone thinks there will be sweetness and light with this crew at the helm or anywhere near the steering gear . . .


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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 12:20:56 PM   
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from 711 to 1492 the islamic rulers in spain did not inter marry with those of other faiths, that I can find, perhaps you have a citation.

Isabella and Ferdinand were spanish, and not muslim or arabic either. After that they started giving out that royal pussy with both hands.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 12:59:09 PM   
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from 711 to 1492 the islamic rulers in spain did not inter marry with those of other faiths, that I can find, perhaps you have a citation.
Isabella and Ferdinand were spanish, and not muslim or arabic either. After that they started giving out that royal pussy with both hands.

On 1) Sometimes the "islamic rulers" were dozens of small "kings", so yes, they did have children and even marry with Christians. Please remember that many had dozens of concubines.
On 2) Isabella was not Spaniard, she was Castillian, and Ferdinald was not Spaniard, he was Aragonian. "Spain" was at that time only a geographical concept in which the Moslem kingdoms were included, as well as the kingdoms of Portugal, Galicia, Asturias, Aragon, Castilia and Leon. Spain as political concept started to exist during their grand-grandson Phillip the Second.

I am just answering to the points, ok? Not trying to defend any lunatic theory, just explaining some things on history.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 1:04:10 PM   
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On 1) Sometimes the "islamic rulers" were dozens of small "kings", so yes, they did have children and even marry with Christians. Please remember that many had dozens of concubines.


Yeah, I guess I can say it clearer, the Islamic rulers or their islamic children did not marry into english royalty or russian royalty or french royalty that I could find, and something like that should be easily citeable if it did happen.

And yeah I guess I sort of glossed over the Izzy and Freddie in their 'spanishness' since Ferdinand of Aragon is what he is called in the history books, my bad.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 1:22:01 PM   
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Yeah, I guess I can say it clearer, the Islamic rulers or their islamic children did not marry into english royalty or russian royalty or french royalty that I could find, and something like that should be easily citeable if it did happen.
Absolutely, it would have been the scandal of the century.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 1:40:48 PM   
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from 711 to 1492 the islamic rulers in spain did not inter marry with those of other faiths, that I can find, perhaps you have a citation.

Isabella and Ferdinand were spanish, and not muslim or arabic either. After that they started giving out that royal pussy with both hands.


How many ways do you want to see it?

Isabella Perez (Isabella of Castile) Princess of Castile & Leon
Descendant of: Muhammad - The Prophet

descent-lines from Mohammed

The genealogy wonks do it all.

Not that Burke's Peerage doesn't say the same thing.

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The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ''The royal family's direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,'' he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ''It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.''

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England's 15th century King Edward IV. '
- From Brooks-Bakers letter to Thatcher on the topic in 1986. Which gets quoted so often finding the original is likely past hope.


Apparently it is even discussed on Muslim television during Shia-Sunni debates  in the UK as a fact withe which one side whips the other with.- Queen Elizabeth descended from Prophet Muhammad!!!



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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 1:49:26 PM   
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the first two are not credible citations whatsoever and the first says it is real iffy that any of this is true because nobody is sure they are talking about that isabella. Pure fuckin tinfoil. And burkes peerage does not have any linking to mohammud.



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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 1:58:16 PM   
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the first two are not credible citations whatsoever and the first says it is real iffy that any of this is true because nobody is sure they are talking about that isabella. Pure fuckin tinfoil. And burkes peerage does not have any linking to mohammud.




The important part is where the Muslim fundes believe it.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 2:45:38 PM   
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Well if we believe we are all one big happy family, then we are going to sitdown at table and have a great easter ham together, n'est ce pas?

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 3:33:28 PM   
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Well if we believe we are all one big happy family, then we are going to sitdown at table and have a great easter ham together, n'est ce pas?


Pragmatically, it its probably good if Queen Lizzie doesn't disabuse the Muslims of this idea, (true or not) of her as a Sayid.

However in Libya, with the heavy rebel political reconnection being done by organized groups of funde Muslim men who see a number of differing Sayid's combined forces coming from across the world helping remove the infidel usurper KDaffy, and that now it clearly the next work of Allah to restore the Sayid imman's rule to the place.

This is where the trouble begins.



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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 3:53:47 PM   
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Yeah, that takes a bridge too far, I see no evidence of such nefarious conspiracy of the unZionists as of yet.

Remember these guys were trading futures in warm camel shit until the discovery of oil, and when oil runs out they will be right back to it.

Not that it would matter if they went iranian on their own ass, we'll still pump that oil.

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RE: Latest GOP-Libya gripe...you should have done it so... - 10/28/2011 11:21:29 PM   
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On a fully unrelated topic...
* Britain is a region in France ("Bretagne"). England does not include Wales or Scotland. Great Britain is the Island including them. United Kingdom includes Northern Irland.
* "Germany" comes from Latin, and originally meant "everybody in Europe northern from us" (the Roman Empire). In Spanish and France it is "Alemania / Allemagne", which comes from the "Alamanii", one specific tribe/nation whose name derived from "{the assembly of} all men" ("{Versammlung} aller Männer" in modern German). The German word "Deutschland" comes from the "Theodiscus" ("popular") language (same root and originally same language as "Dutch", and German can still understand Dutch pretty easily). The Italian form "Tedesco" (German) comes also from here. Germany as a whole was an abstract concept, with nobody agreeing about if the current Belgium, Holland, Checz Republic or Switzerland belonged to or not. But for example, anybody until 1850 would have agreed that Austria belonged to that "German space". Germany as a country exists only from 1870 on. Kafka wrote in German... in Prag. Kant was a normal German citizen... in current Kalinigrad. To speak about "German" emperors before Wilhelm I is misleading. Heinrich IV was King of Romes (!) and emperor of the "Holy Roman Empire", a political construct which included all the mentioned plus parts of Croatia, all northern Italy and a considerable depth within current France.
* Spain was a geographical concept ("Hispania") which included of course Gibraltar and Portugal, disputably Andorra and of course no city in Africa (like Ceuta or Melilla). Similar to "North America", if you get the idea (Hawai is not there). It became a political entity only with Phillip II (who got Portugal as well) and for centuries the official title was "the Spains" (las Españas), meaning "the kingdoms and territories situated in Spain". All the Habsburg kings of "Spain" were actually kings of "the Spains", even if the normal population started speaking about "Spain" already, as I said, with Phillip II.

European countries are the product of very, very long and complex histories. I have dinner frequently in a restaurant which was founded before Columbus discovered America.

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