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Masta808 -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:49:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam We had a dash cam incident here. The sheriff flipped his car on a bridge at 2AM on a sunday morning. Would you test a normal person for DUI? Dash cam off and not even a citation for failure to maintain. The trooper was suspended for 2 whole days. Sheriff 2 counties over indicted in a cockfighting ring. Evidence 'disappeared'. Nothing done. Google "Miami River Cops" sometime. There were dozens involved in a drug/murder gang. How did it get that big without being ignored until it was too late? Officer 2 towns over threatens people with a weapon when he's drunk. Charges dropped for lack of prosecution. Witnesses wouldn't come forward (I wonder why?). Ahhhhh. So yours is a problem of generalization then. That explains it. Since you've heard of a couple of times when a cop skated on something, you assume all cops are bad. I don't have that problem. I know there are many great cops and I know there are a few bad apples. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam You as much as called that marine a "dirtbag" in an earlier post and you have done nothing but defend the actions of the police even to the point of claiming that a cannister fired in an arc must have hit him in the head hard enough to fracture a skull but there is NO WAY he was aimed at. The officers deserve "The benefit of a doubt" but that marine doesn't? Well, as I've said before, the protesters turned violent. When you assault officers of the law, you get what you ask for. The mere fact that this guy was still in the area to be hit tells us he didn't leave when told to. If you refuse orders to leave an area, you are responsible for what happens as a result. And for the record, the dirtbag comment was directed at the tatted up, pierced so-called Marine in the posted photo. Exactly its the protestors fault, NOT the police. It doesnt matter if the protestors have Fact, evidence, and videos of police starting the violence. The protestors are liberal and liberals like criminals lie. Support the police department because they are cleaning are streets of crime aka liberals. When you start question Police or any authority figure you are siding with the criminals. Thats the way the world works. Live with it.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:50:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Do you have some validation for this outside of your own paranoia? You mean other than every other riot that's ever started as a protest? Were you living under a rock in the 90's?

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:52:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually no conflict existed the protesters were all asleep when the swat team showd up and attacked...what part of that do you not understand? It's you that needs help understanding. The police showed up to disperse, the protesters attacked. There's a world of difference there.

tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:54:15 PM)
Protesters who, according to their permits, were there legally.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:55:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 100's of cops from 17 agencies with guns, tear gas and such vs 100's of protesters with.... tents? Yup, I can just see how equal it all was. [8\|] It's a police dispersal of a protest. It ain't supposed to be "equal."

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:58:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Yeah it started out peacefully. But when the protesters start conflict, peace goes out the window pretty fast. How peaceful is it when someone rips you out of your sleep to trash you stuff. Have you ever seen cops serve a search warrant on someone's house? It ain't pretty. They even cut into couch cushions if they feel there's a need. The protesters were warned to leave. They did not. So they made the choice on what was to happen next. If I'm in your house and stay after you tell me to leave, I'm 100% responsible if things escalate and you shoot me or call the cops and I get roughed up being dragged out of your house.

tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:58:57 PM)
Political dispersal is more like it. Wait till this hits the courts.

Masta808 -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:59:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 100's of cops from 17 agencies with guns, tear gas and such vs 100's of protesters with.... tents? Yup, I can just see how equal it all was. [8\|] It's a police dispersal of a protest. It ain't supposed to be "equal." exactly, I support the actions of the police officer to change the protest from a peaceful protest to a violent one to deny the protestors the 1st amendment rights. Thats America.

Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:00:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam We had a dash cam incident here. The sheriff flipped his car on a bridge at 2AM on a sunday morning. Would you test a normal person for DUI? Dash cam off and not even a citation for failure to maintain. The trooper was suspended for 2 whole days. Sheriff 2 counties over indicted in a cockfighting ring. Evidence 'disappeared'. Nothing done. Google "Miami River Cops" sometime. There were dozens involved in a drug/murder gang. How did it get that big without being ignored until it was too late? Officer 2 towns over threatens people with a weapon when he's drunk. Charges dropped for lack of prosecution. Witnesses wouldn't come forward (I wonder why?). Ahhhhh. So yours is a problem of generalization then. That explains it. Since you've heard of a couple of times when a cop skated on something, you assume all cops are bad. I don't have that problem. I know there are many great cops and I know there are a few bad apples. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam You as much as called that marine a "dirtbag" in an earlier post and you have done nothing but defend the actions of the police even to the point of claiming that a cannister fired in an arc must have hit him in the head hard enough to fracture a skull but there is NO WAY he was aimed at. The officers deserve "The benefit of a doubt" but that marine doesn't? Well, as I've said before, the protesters turned violent. When you assault officers of the law, you get what you ask for. The mere fact that this guy was still in the area to be hit tells us he didn't leave when told to. If you refuse orders to leave an area, you are responsible for what happens as a result. And for the record, the dirtbag comment was directed at the tatted up, pierced so-called Marine in the posted photo. As usual, you don't pay a FUCKING bit of attention to what I write. I have consistently said it's 1-5% that give the rest of the police a bad name and asked why they are protected. You then give a bunch of ACLU inspired platitudes about innocent until proven guilty. You asked for examples and I supplied them and now Im a cop hater. If I'm a cop hater, why did I fucking TRAIN them to help them survive? Second claim. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that the protestors were violent. Only your claims. How violent can someone be when you wake them up at 4AM and roust them? I'm calling bullshit on your last claim. You were referring to the marine that was hurt with your 'dirtbag' remark and you damn well know it and now you're backpedaling.

tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:00:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Yeah it started out peacefully. But when the protesters start conflict, peace goes out the window pretty fast. How peaceful is it when someone rips you out of your sleep to trash you stuff. Have you ever seen cops serve a search warrant on someone's house? It ain't pretty. They even cut into couch cushions if they feel there's a need. The protesters were warned to leave. They did not. So they made the choice on what was to happen next. If I'm in your house and stay after you tell me to leave, I'm 100% responsible if things escalate and you shoot me or call the cops and I get roughed up being dragged out of your house. They didnt have a search warrant to go through and trash peoples stuff. In fact, what they did to peoples possessions there was illegal. And, if I shoot someone within my home who is unable to defend themselves and leave them no exit, its murder.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:00:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl How did they turn violent? Seriously? This many pages in and you can still ask this question? They threw rocks, bottles, and paint (though somewhere I heard the paint came from paintball guns, which is even worse). How about this. I'll use a paintball gun on you. You tell me if it feels like I'm being violent or not.

Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:02:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl How did they turn violent? Seriously? This many pages in and you can still ask this question? They threw rocks, bottles, and paint (though somewhere I heard the paint came from paintball guns, which is even worse). How about this. I'll use a paintball gun on you. You tell me if it feels like I'm being violent or not. You have NO evidence of that. It wan't in the video that you so assidiously use to try to prove that everyone was acting correctly. The same place where the paint claims come from is the place where the "no flashbangs" claim came from which is a proven LIE.

thompsonx -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:05:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Do you have some validation for this outside of your own paranoia? You mean other than every other riot that's ever started as a protest? Were you living under a rock in the 90's? Like the one at kent state?

tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:06:40 PM)
Oh hell, I thought you meant violence. [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:07:47 PM)
quote: How about this. I'll use a paintball gun on you. You tell me if it feels like I'm being violent or not. How about this. You prove a paint gun was used.

thompsonx -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually no conflict existed the protesters were all asleep when the swat team showd up and attacked...what part of that do you not understand? It's you that needs help understanding. The police showed up to disperse, the protesters attacked. There's a world of difference there. We are obviously speaking of two different incidents. I was refering to the one that this thread is about but you seem to be discussing something that is not related. Sorry to have confused you with a poster I was discussing this with.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:12:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam As usual, you don't pay a FUCKING bit of attention to what I write. I have consistently said it's 1-5% that give the rest of the police a bad name and asked why they are protected. You then give a bunch of ACLU inspired platitudes about innocent until proven guilty. You asked for examples and I supplied them and now Im a cop hater. If I'm a cop hater, why did I fucking TRAIN them to help them survive? Here's the undeniable fact: neither of us has all the information about the incident and neither of us was there. The difference between us is that you are ready to condemn cop you've never met, nor even seen despite the absence of those facts. I am not. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Second claim. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that the protestors were violent. Only your claims. How violent can someone be when you wake them up at 4AM and roust them? Evidently violent enough to throw rocks, bottles and paint. I knew one guy when I was in basic training that you couldn't wake up by shaking. If you did, you'd likely be punched. People are capable of a lot in the right (or wrong) circumstances. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I'm calling bullshit on your last claim. You were referring to the marine that was hurt with your 'dirtbag' remark and you damn well know it and now you're backpedaling. I really don't care what you "call bullshit" on. You aren't me. Only I know what I said and about whom I said it. You can believe it or not. It makes no differenceto me. The only person I have seen that looks like a dirtbag is the guy in the photo. Kinda hard to make a reference to someone I've not seen. (Well, hard for me but not apparently you since you still condemn the cop without all the facts.)

Hippiekinkster -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:13:41 PM)
This was said by a very cool guy who had 20 years in the USMC, and did, IIRC, 3 tours Iraq/Af'stan. "It's hard for me not to call for blood after the attempted murder of a young man who had turned his back on violence. (Yes, I am aware of the irony, fuckers.) I've made that well known by now, I'm sure. Addressing the narrower focus of the OP, though, I have a few things to say. •No negotiation. Negotiating with the corporate-owned political structure is giving them legitimacy they have no right to. If you come home to find a man burglarizing your house, do you haggle with him over the price of buying back your possessions? Occupations must continue, and even escalate to wildcat strikes if necessary (since so much of senior labor leadership is in bed with the same people as the fat cats), until only natural persons are allowed to make campaign contributions, or all campaigns are publicly-funded. •As far as we should be concerned ALL OF AMERICA is open for free speech activities at ALL TIMES. The First Amendment doesn't say "... during caddie hours, only." •Protest is not protest if you stop when you're asked, told or ordered to. Our country would not exist if people had obeyed the law and complied with the orders of authority." Right on. .

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:15:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl They didnt have a search warrant to go through and trash peoples stuff. In fact, what they did to peoples possessions there was illegal. They don't need a search warrant to disperse protesters. The fact that the protesters put up tents doesn't mean it was their home. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And, if I shoot someone within my home who is unable to defend themselves and leave them no exit, its murder. If you shoot someone who is assaulting you after you've told them to leave it's called self defense.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 6:17:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl How about this. You prove a paint gun was used. The paint came from somewhere. Even without the presence of a paintball gun, you still have protesters throwing rocks and bottles. That's assault too.

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