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DissolvedGuy -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 8:55:43 PM)

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tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 8:57:10 PM)

Seems someone has a sock puppet. Anyone surprised?




Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:01:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DissolvedGuy

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Sooo, according to Darque, it was a giant mosquito that made him fall forward and fracture his skull.


I see you're living in fantasy land as much as Ken is. You do know that the shower of sparks shown in tazzy's "oh-so-smoking-gun-esque" video is usually associated with a flashbang, right? And flashbangs are essentially concussion bombs. (Wait...you do know what concussion means, yes?) If one went off next to or near your head, I'm betting you'd fall over too. No "mosquito" required.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
"But MOMMM. It coulda been Martians"


Oh.....didn't know flashbangs were indicative of martians. You should really stop. You're getting more and more stupid with every attempt to stick your fingers in your ears.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Hey Darque. How do you feel about those guys in NYC with the 1500 indictments and their compatriots calling the prosecuters "Scum"? Do you support them as well?


Just as soon as you explain (successfully) the relevance to the current topic, I'll be happy to answer. Or, as I said before more than a page ago START YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT IT.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
While you're at it, go find a marine and tell him you think one of his compatriots is a dirtbag. They like that. Especially if they havent had any exercise in a while.


Don't need to. I have a family of them and I've seen how they react to guys who get out and spit in the face of "the Corps." They'd be the first to call the guy a dirt bag (after my dad ripped his ear rings out of his ears first). Not to mention all the Marines I've worked with in the time I spent in uniform. Yeah...it becomes fairly obvious fairly early on how the marines would view a guy like the one in the pic.


Hey Darque. Did ya get modspanked or did you just feel like starting a sock puppet?

You havent figured out the sarcasm font yet have ya.

Face it. The op was a clusterfuck. The cannister hit the guy in the head either by stupidity or by design.

I know, you were in the service so you have a right to judge combat vets. You were a liason some...oh yeah. I know how it's spelled.

R..........E............M............F

Such a badass you are.

I truly hope they don't find you because it doesn't matter what your daddy did.




DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:05:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Hey Darque. Did ya get modspanked or did you just feel like starting a sock puppet?


Nope, no "mod spank" here. What we have here is a clear case of the site being retarded and someone else not logging out of both sides before leaving my place.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I know, you were in the service so you have a right to judge combat vets. You were a liason some...oh yeah. I know how it's spelled.

R..........E............M............F

Such a badass you are.


Oh and You've served? Probably not. You probably dodged the draft. Pussy.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I truly hope they don't find you because it doesn't matter what your daddy did.


Why would they find me? They AGREE with me, you civilian pussy who makes judgements via the news.




Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:09:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Hey Darque. Did ya get modspanked or did you just feel like starting a sock puppet?


Nope, no "mod spank" here. What we have here is a clear case of the site being retarded and someone else not logging out of both sides before leaving my place.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I know, you were in the service so you have a right to judge combat vets. You were a liason some...oh yeah. I know how it's spelled.

R..........E............M............F

Such a badass you are.


Oh and You've served? Probably not. You probably dodged the draft. Pussy.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I truly hope they don't find you because it doesn't matter what your daddy did.


Why would they find me? They AGREE with me, you civilian pussy who makes judgements via the news.


Suure ya don't have a sock puppet.

We're supposed to believe that there are 2 new male members in the same household. Right. Got a bridge you're selling?

We're not talking about My service, were talking about yours and your so called right to judge.





DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:10:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
We're not talking about My service, were talking about yours and your so called right to judge.


Alright then. Let's discuss your service as a COP and your right to judge them, moron.




tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:11:35 PM)

liars have rights to be believed now?




Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:13:41 PM)

Never claimed I was. I trained several tho. I know a lot more. I was talkinig to one in the office today who was investigating an arson in the neighborhood about oakland and his quote was "What a clusterfuck".

Of course, I expect you to defend them. What are you, some kinda badge chaser? Love them guys in uniform?




DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:16:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Never claimed I was. I trained several tho.


Ohhhhh so you "training" them qualifies you to judge a cop who was just out there doing his job because he might have (gasp) been human and made a mistake?

Funny, my wearing a uniform, serving with Marines and having several in my family (and hearing them talk about dirt bags such as the guy pictured) doesn't qualify me to know a dirtbag when I see them, but you "training" cops qualifies you to pass judgement on one without having witnessed the event in person.

Riiiiiiight.




Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:24:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Never claimed I was. I trained several tho.


Ohhhhh so you "training" them qualifies you to judge a cop who was just out there doing his job because he might have (gasp) been human and made a mistake?

Funny, my wearing a uniform, serving with Marines and having several in my family (and hearing them talk about dirt bags such as the guy pictured) doesn't qualify me to know a dirtbag when I see them, but you "training" cops qualifies you to pass judgement on one without having witnessed the event in person.

Riiiiiiight.


Looking at evidence and figuring what the possibilities are. Using occams razor and the scientific method. Basic investigative techniques show a thrown together operation that turned into a clusterfuck.

And, yes, training these people (esp hand to hand work) gives me an insight into their psyche.

A small portion of them are just basic playground bullies (in some cases worse) and, unfortunately, their coworkers protect them.

You on the other hand have said it was a concussion bomb that went off next to his head. it bounced off the ground and hit his head, it was fired in an arc and hit his head. Every possibility except someone fucked up.

You're like the kid trying to convince his mom that it might have been martians that knocked over her vase when he was playing ball in the house.

Possible but damned improbable. It will be investigated. Proper lip service will be paid and nothing will be found.

Now, go back to watching COPS and beating off.




tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 9:26:52 PM)

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/10/the_police_raid_on_occupy_oakland_was_nothing_new_for_this_city.html

Oakland has a bad history of protecting their own.




SternSkipper -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 10:05:19 PM)

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http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/10/the_police_raid_on_occupy_oakland_was_nothing_new_for_this_city.html
Oakland has a bad history of protecting their own.


Oakland is really bad news... always has been... right after the anual Grateful Dead New Years Shows the heads RACE to get the fuck out of town. They have really serious issues with gangs and their own badguy cops. It's been that way long as I can remember.






tazzygirl -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/1/2011 10:10:35 PM)

And now the police union is pissy at the Mayor, for many reasons.




DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/2/2011 6:32:25 AM)

What's that phrase you love to throw out? Oh yes "Bullshit and more bullshit."

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Looking at evidence and figuring what the possibilities are. Using occams razor and the scientific method.


What evidence? The evidence that's  been presented here? Or are you sitting on some secret stash only for yourself? Because what I've seen here barely qualifies as circumstantial. There's not even a clear view of the impact. And you call that evidence? Dude, that wouldn't convict anyone in any courtroom in this country. Even the EYE WITNESSES who there can't say for certain what happened. And you can from watching sketchy video?

Yeah.....bullshit and more bullshit....from YOU.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
And, yes, training these people (esp hand to hand work) gives me an insight into their psyche.


Again....more bullshit. At least in my case, I've worn the uniform of someone serving in the military. I've worked with literally every branch of service. My training school was integrated, so I had classes with them every day. My third base was only a short drive from one of theirs, meaning they went to our base for things and we went to theirs for things. Again, most of my military family members were from the Marines. Oh, and by the way, any friends I had while in were also friends with several. Weekends at my base were like a "joint exercise" in "hanging out," because we had Army, Air Force and at least 2 to 3 Marines. I've worked with Marines and Marine reservists even since I've been out. I STILL today, right now, know at least two current or former reserve Marines. So geee, I think I'm just a "bit" qualified to be able to suggest (and be right about since I've heard it straight from one of them already) how they think about a tatted up, pierced DIRT BAG in a photo. Oh...and if that weren't sufficient, I believe the fact that I've worn a uniform myself (albeit not in the same branch, but still with the same rules and regulations) more than qualifies me to judge the "dirt bag" nature of a former member. All branches of the military follow the UCMJ and all have the same basic rules and regulations, though with some service-specific differences.

Again, bucko, this ain't rocket science.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You on the other hand have said it was a concussion bomb that went off next to his head. it bounced off the ground and hit his head, it was fired in an arc and hit his head. Every possibility except someone fucked up.


Want to know why I throw out alternate theories? Because you've already tried and convicted the guy. It's funny now to hear you keep saying "fuck up," because that is NOT how this little debate began. Oh no. Look at the thread title if you'd like some "evidence" of that. The title of this very thread says "USMC joins #OWS after OPD *takes headshot*...."  That in ITSELF implies intent, not accident. Not fuck up. Not "oops, my bad." It suggests that some cop just walked into the middle of the street, wild-west style, grabbed his trusty riot gun and carefully aimed at a guy's head and BOOM. And now, almost 20 pages in, you want to harp on "fuck up."

Of COURSE it could be a fuck up, genius. All the alternate theories I've thrown out are, by their very nature "fuck ups." Whether the round bounced, whether it was fired up at an arc, whether someone dropped the gun and it went off....ANY scenario I've put forth is a "fuck up." Your problem, is you equate "fuck up" with "intentional assault." And the two don't go hand in hand.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You're like the kid trying to convince his mom that it might have been martians that knocked over her vase when he was playing ball in the house.


And here you are harping on martians like some ridiculous-sounding moron. Accident does NOT equal "martians." We have accidents on this planet and in this country every single day. It doesn't mean martians were involved. It *also* doesn't mean that the "accidents" are intentional in any way.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
It will be investigated. Proper lip service will be paid and nothing will be found.


Again....here you go with your "opinion." Sure, base this "opinion" on your oh-so-thorough "experience" with cops. I'll base it on mine. And if the experience I've seen is any indication....if there's so much as one shred of evidence of any sort of intent or deliberate act, the cop in question ain't going to be a cop anymore. Yeah, the Mayor and the Police Chief in my city have apologized for things too. And when we see that, the next story in the news is usually about the cop in question being fired or worse.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Now, go back to watching COPS and beating off.


And you go back to calling crackheads for help when you get robed or assaulted. I'm sure they'll rush to help you. At least you won't have to fear the police anymore.




Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/2/2011 7:13:25 AM)

Page 20 where I'm saying it could have been a fuckup? Try Page 4. We're not TO page 20 yet. They did teach you to count in the air force didn't they?

In post 51, your old man ripped an earring out of a navy man's ear and now it's a marine? Stay consistent boy.

Your point about training. Missed the point totally. You trained with military, I trained with police. (and a few retired/off duty military that wanted to stay in shape DAMN they had fun with the police) totally different mindset. Just proves you know squat about police.

As for why the 1500 indictments and support they get from their peers is relavant I've repeatedly said in this thread that well over 90% of cops are great guys and do things the right way. Why the hell do they protect those who bring dishonor upon their profession? The military doesn't do that. If this op was planned well, there would be cameras around the square to collect evidence to the point that a mouse couldn't take a dump without someone being able to count the turds. Multiple people know who fired the shot. Those same people know if it was an accident or deliberate and nothing will be done except someone might be allowed to resign from one PD so they can be picked up by another next town over.

As for the ex military not supporting the OWS people, you might want to check out the other thread that proves you wrong.

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2011/11/usat-occupy-vets-110111w/

Edited to ad the link




DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/2/2011 9:05:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Page 20 where I'm saying it could have been a fuckup? Try Page 4. We're not TO page 20 yet. They did teach you to count in the air force didn't they?


Oh I can count. You can't read. Note where it says "almost" page 20, you illiterate twit. You *do* know what "almost" means, right? C'mon. Try it out. Go to dictionary.com and look it up and report back to us all. Moron.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
In post 51, your old man ripped an earring out of a navy man's ear and now it's a marine? Stay consistent boy.


More selective reading comprehension, I see. My dad was a MARINE, he ripped the ear ring out of a NAVY guy's ear. He would judge a MARINE with the same type of piercing to be a DIRT BAG as he did the NAVY man. Clear enough? Or do you need hooked on phonics?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwillia

Your point about training. Missed the point totally. You trained with military, I trained with police. (and a few retired/off duty military that wanted to stay in shape DAMN they had fun with the police) totally different mindset. Just proves you know squat about police.


No, it just proves what a hypocrite you are. You can judge this one cop whom you've never met based on your experience as a civilian in a completely different city, yet I can't use the term dirt bag despite several years of service and being from a military family and circle of friends.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
As for why the 1500 indictments and support they get from their peers is relavant I've repeatedly said in this thread that well over 90% of cops are great guys and do things the right way.


Then why do you assume that this guy intentionally fired at a guy's head? And by the way, since you keep mentioning those "1,500" over and over. You realize you're kinda shooting yourself in the foot with that, right? On the one hand, you say nothing will be done to a cop who does wrong. On the other, you mention 1,500 indictments. That sounds like doing something to me. Just like it does in my city. Here, a cop makes a horrific judgement call that's not in line with policy or in some cases the law, and he's got no badge by the end of the week, sometimes faster.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
If this op was planned well, there would be cameras around the square to collect evidence to the point that a mouse couldn't take a dump without someone being able to count the turds.


Sure there would. Then the protesters and everyone would complain about the police "spying" on them and how "big brother" is watching and blah blah blah. As I said many, many times. The cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So I say fuck it. They should just block off the area, let the protesters start their trouble and then sit back and watch the city burn.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Multiple people know who fired the shot.


Really? Because even the film maker with the "smoking gun" evidence can't say for sure. Nor can he say if or where the guy was hit. I haven't seen anyone definitively say who fired, how they fired, the circumstances therein *or* where the guy was hit.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
PThose same people know if it was an accident or deliberate and nothing will be done except someone might be allowed to resign from one PD so they can be picked up by another next town over.


More psychic predictions, hmmm? And today's lotto numbers are what again? Hurry, I need to buy my ticket before 9.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
As for the ex military not supporting the OWS people, you might want to check out the other thread that proves you wrong./


Did I *ever* say that I knew every single person who's ever worn a uniform and they all hate the guy? No. I did not. I said everyone I've met, everyone I've worked with, etc. That pool is admittedly small, probably less than 20. (Wait, you do know what "less than" 20 means, right? I don't want to confuse you again.)

All your link proves is that some support the guy, and some don't. *Gasp.* You don't think that everyone's capable of thinking for themselves, do you? Nooooo surely not. I know military guys who voted for Obama, myself included. And many who said they couldn't stand him. What's your point?




Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (11/2/2011 10:02:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Page 20 where I'm saying it could have been a fuckup? Try Page 4. We're not TO page 20 yet. They did teach you to count in the air force didn't they?


Oh I can count. You can't read. Note where it says "almost" page 20, you illiterate twit. You *do* know what "almost" means, right? C'mon. Try it out. Go to dictionary.com and look it up and report back to us all. Moron.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
In post 51, your old man ripped an earring out of a navy man's ear and now it's a marine? Stay consistent boy.


More selective reading comprehension, I see. My dad was a MARINE, he ripped the ear ring out of a NAVY guy's ear. He would judge a MARINE with the same type of piercing to be a DIRT BAG as he did the NAVY man. Clear enough? Or do you need hooked on phonics?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwillia

Your point about training. Missed the point totally. You trained with military, I trained with police. (and a few retired/off duty military that wanted to stay in shape DAMN they had fun with the police) totally different mindset. Just proves you know squat about police.


No, it just proves what a hypocrite you are. You can judge this one cop whom you've never met based on your experience as a civilian in a completely different city, yet I can't use the term dirt bag despite several years of service and being from a military family and circle of friends.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
As for why the 1500 indictments and support they get from their peers is relavant I've repeatedly said in this thread that well over 90% of cops are great guys and do things the right way.


Then why do you assume that this guy intentionally fired at a guy's head? And by the way, since you keep mentioning those "1,500" over and over. You realize you're kinda shooting yourself in the foot with that, right? On the one hand, you say nothing will be done to a cop who does wrong. On the other, you mention 1,500 indictments. That sounds like doing something to me. Just like it does in my city. Here, a cop makes a horrific judgement call that's not in line with policy or in some cases the law, and he's got no badge by the end of the week, sometimes faster.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
If this op was planned well, there would be cameras around the square to collect evidence to the point that a mouse couldn't take a dump without someone being able to count the turds.


Sure there would. Then the protesters and everyone would complain about the police "spying" on them and how "big brother" is watching and blah blah blah. As I said many, many times. The cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So I say fuck it. They should just block off the area, let the protesters start their trouble and then sit back and watch the city burn.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Multiple people know who fired the shot.


Really? Because even the film maker with the "smoking gun" evidence can't say for sure. Nor can he say if or where the guy was hit. I haven't seen anyone definitively say who fired, how they fired, the circumstances therein *or* where the guy was hit.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
PThose same people know if it was an accident or deliberate and nothing will be done except someone might be allowed to resign from one PD so they can be picked up by another next town over.


More psychic predictions, hmmm? And today's lotto numbers are what again? Hurry, I need to buy my ticket before 9.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
As for the ex military not supporting the OWS people, you might want to check out the other thread that proves you wrong./


Did I *ever* say that I knew every single person who's ever worn a uniform and they all hate the guy? No. I did not. I said everyone I've met, everyone I've worked with, etc. That pool is admittedly small, probably less than 20. (Wait, you do know what "less than" 20 means, right? I don't want to confuse you again.)

All your link proves is that some support the guy, and some don't. *Gasp.* You don't think that everyone's capable of thinking for themselves, do you? Nooooo surely not. I know military guys who voted for Obama, myself included. And many who said they couldn't stand him. What's your point?

Dear dear. We're having a bit of a name calling snit now are we? Poor little boy cant handle it that he has no memory. Point is that you're making stuff up about what I say and when I say it.

I'll keep mentioning the 1500 indictments and the 500 police that supported the 16 alleged criminals when you admit that the many protect the few in that line of work. I'm saying that the story (assuming you were cvapabnle of reading it) said that "This is the way we have always done business". They are actually saying that graft and corruption are a part of the department SOP and always have been. Don't you find that abhorrent?

The multiple people who know who fired the shot are the one who did it and his compatriots. Why has noone come forward?
As I said, if he does, he will be allowed to resign and sign up with another department nearby.

As for big brother watching, that's what dash cams are for. To protect against spurious claims and if this op had been planned worth a shit, video would have been set up tight as a mosquito's ass to do just that. Who knows? maybe they did.

Lotto numbers for tonight are 5, 17, 23, 36 and 18. Powerball will be 24.

Happy now?

No go back to watching COPS reruns when you're supposed to be working.




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