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tazzygirl -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:40:41 PM)

And more are apparently saying they will join in on their lunch breaks.



Hillwilliam -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:46:46 PM)

I'm trying to figure this out.

1. The OWS people are supposedly going to clash with the union. At very least, it is claimed they are getting no support from the unions.

2. According to our local conservatives in a lot of previous threads, Union people are evil liberals.

3. As OWS is supposedly going to clash with them, wouldn't that make OWS Conservatives?



luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:47:23 PM)

The San francisco metro area is 7.1 million people.

San Francisco /ˌsæn frənˈsɪskoʊ/, officially the City and County of San Francisco, is the financial, cultural, and transportation center of the San Francisco Bay Area, a region of 7.15 million people which includes San Jose and Oakland.[11]

and yeah I would expect a lot more than 1000 people in the Frisco area to show for an event like this. and they haven't

It shows how little support OWS actually has.



SternSkipper -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:47:27 PM)

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where do you get 7.1 Mil?


Not From The City Of Oakland... That's for sure

[image]local://upfiles/18637/1715CFF5636943FC917CC21454CFF6D5.jpg[/image]





luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:48:40 PM)

Good lord skippy, you can't follow a thread very well can you?



tazzygirl -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:50:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure this out.

1. The OWS people are supposedly going to clash with the union. At very least, it is claimed they are getting no support from the unions.

2. According to our local conservatives in a lot of previous threads, Union people are evil liberals.

3. As OWS is supposedly going to clash with them, wouldn't that make OWS Conservatives?


People still need jobs. People still need to pay bills. The real question becomes... what happens when they are off work. Do they go home, or do they join the crowd.



SternSkipper -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:50:59 PM)

quote:

and yeah I would expect a lot more than 1000 people in the Frisco area to show for an event like this. and they haven't
It shows how little support OWS actually has.


Occupy SF is marching in San Francisco in solidarity, They're NOT IN Oakland ... you really don't fucking get it DO YOU?




mnottertail -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:51:12 PM)

Yeah, and you aint in the convo, uck.

You are sort of the pathetic comic relief, is all.



luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:52:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure this out.

1. The OWS people are supposedly going to clash with the union. At very least, it is claimed they are getting no support from the unions.

2. According to our local conservatives in a lot of previous threads, Union people are evil liberals.

3. As OWS is supposedly going to clash with them, wouldn't that make OWS Conservatives?



That is because of you poor comprehension and logic skills.




Hillwilliam -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:55:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

The San francisco metro area is 7.1 million people.

San Francisco /ˌsæn frənˈsɪskoʊ/, officially the City and County of San Francisco, is the financial, cultural, and transportation center of the San Francisco Bay Area, a region of 7.15 million people which includes San Jose and Oakland.[11]

and yeah I would expect a lot more than 1000 people in the Frisco area to show for an event like this. and they haven't

It shows how little support OWS actually has.


Stretching your metro area arent you?

San Jose is 50 miles away from Frisco to the south re: yahoo maps. The entire area that you are calling the "San Francisco Bay Area" consists of 9 counties that stretch well over 100 miles from N to S. Of course, if you want to use the populations, you would have to use their OWS groups too.

Why cant you just say "Damn, fucked up a decimal point" and let it go? You're reaching too far and beginning to look silly.



luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:56:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

quote:

and yeah I would expect a lot more than 1000 people in the Frisco area to show for an event like this. and they haven't
It shows how little support OWS actually has.


Occupy SF is marching in San Francisco in solidarity, They're NOT IN Oakland ... you really don't fucking get it DO YOU?



Where is this fantasy march occuring in SF? nothing on the news about it at all.

This is another of your lies like the one about the Port being shut down.

And you are the one who confirmed that at least one person came over to join in the Oakland event from Frisco.

Or have you already forgotten that?



Hillwilliam -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 12:56:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure this out.

1. The OWS people are supposedly going to clash with the union. At very least, it is claimed they are getting no support from the unions.

2. According to our local conservatives in a lot of previous threads, Union people are evil liberals.

3. As OWS is supposedly going to clash with them, wouldn't that make OWS Conservatives?



That is because of you poor comprehension and logic skills.



No, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of 'absolutism'. Obviously, it escaped you in your frenzy.



luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:00:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

The San francisco metro area is 7.1 million people.

San Francisco /ˌsæn frənˈsɪskoʊ/, officially the City and County of San Francisco, is the financial, cultural, and transportation center of the San Francisco Bay Area, a region of 7.15 million people which includes San Jose and Oakland.[11]

and yeah I would expect a lot more than 1000 people in the Frisco area to show for an event like this. and they haven't

It shows how little support OWS actually has.


Stretching your metro area arent you?

San Jose is 50 miles away from Frisco to the south re: yahoo maps. The entire area that you are calling the "San Francisco Bay Area" consists of 9 counties that stretch well over 100 miles from N to S. Of course, if you want to use the populations, you would have to use their OWS groups too.

Why cant you just say "Damn, fucked up a decimal point" and let it go? You're reaching too far and beginning to look silly.



It's not my Metro area. That is according to Wikipedia and the US census.

I did admit I messed up the decimal. But that since there were outsiders there my number may have not been that incorrect.

HTen you said the metro area is what counts, which is 7.1 million.


However, no matter how you draw the lines not even close to 1% of the people are joining in the strike.

Which I think is the relevant point.

You do agree with that correct?




luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:06:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure this out.

1. The OWS people are supposedly going to clash with the union. At very least, it is claimed they are getting no support from the unions.

2. According to our local conservatives in a lot of previous threads, Union people are evil liberals.

3. As OWS is supposedly going to clash with them, wouldn't that make OWS Conservatives?



That is because of you poor comprehension and logic skills.



No, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of 'absolutism'. Obviously, it escaped you in your frenzy.


but you pointed out your own lack of comprehension.


One is that it is union leaders that are generally Political supporters of Democrats, who use mandatory dues to fund thier political goals.

Not union people.

I realise to someone with horrible comprehension skills, the difference is not apperant.


for example the president of the Longshore local went to give a speech supporting OWS, but only 40 (out of over 300) actually skipped work.

Its probably beyond you.





Hillwilliam -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:06:29 PM)

Now, were talkin.

Bottom line is. There seems to be no violence or force planned (let's hope cooler heads prevail and there is none from either side).

OWS is the most widespread organized march in the US since the Vietnam/Civil rights era. Even if it's just a tiny part of the population, it's larger than anything in decades and quite significant given the apathy so common in the US.

I just wish they would finally decide exactly what the fuck it is that they want so I can decide whether or not to agree with them.
Some progress has been made there in the last few days.



mnottertail -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:06:49 PM)

The day is young and there are no firm numbers as of yet.

So 4000 would be one percent of that roughly 410k people.

So, if you pick your pathetic arguments carefully you will be able to say you were right, but it would not ever be realistic or truthful, but those two things are mutually incompatible with the lies and pretenses and innumeracy and ignorance and incomprehension and illogic of the vermiform uckster.




Hillwilliam -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:13:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg


but you pointed out your own lack of comprehension.


One is that it is union leaders that are generally Political supporters of Democrats, who use mandatory dues to fund thier political goals.

Not union people.

I realise to someone with horrible comprehension skills, the difference is not apperant.


for example the president of the Longshore local went to give a speech supporting OWS, but only 40 (out of over 300) actually skipped work.

Its probably beyond you.




Totally missed the point about absolutism now didn't you?

Conservative talking points and pundits don't make the distinction between union leaders and their members. How many times last winter regarding the situation with teachers unions losing their bargaining rights did you hear Fox News, Washington times, et al refer to "Union Thugs" even when they had to show false or misleading info to back up their assertion?

NOONE on the Right makes the distinction between Union leaders and members. It's just "Those damn Unions". That's absolutism.

You jumped on it and ate it up like a hungry rainbow on a #22 Blue Wing Olive with similar results. Reeled in and flopping in the net.

As for the 40 skipping work. That's over 13%. Not bad for a noncalled strike.



luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:24:59 PM)

except those on the right do make that distinction.

those who get thier news from MSNBC think we don't.

There are "union thugs". There is plenty of violence on the part of unions, and some unions are quite crooked (see Big Dig).

and that is not what "absolutism" is.


but why the derail?





Masta808 -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:30:56 PM)

There is violence planned. Liberals are Violent people. If the protest dont work they arent going to retreat they will reload. Which goes along of their thinking that if protest dont work bullets will. Hell they created a map with cross-hairs of all the corporation and corporate executives to target. There is talk about the need for "Second Amendment Remedies" and if they could "Issue hunting permits, and declaring open season on all corporate bought politicians with no limits because of the need to 'thin the herd.'" Hell they are offering celebrity "Get on target for Victory. Help remove Corporate Bought politicians by shooting full M16 with Jessie Kelly." Their leaders like Stephen Broden said "Our nation was founded on violence. The option is on the table. I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms." After all it was the liberals that were planning to kill government employees and who tried to take a capitol building hostage.

If you dont believe me, go research the quotes on your own.



luckydawg -> RE: GENERAL STRIKE! OAKLAND, Wed, Nov 2nd... (11/2/2011 1:31:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The day is young and there are no firm numbers as of yet.

So 4000 would be one percent of that roughly 410k people.

So, if you pick your pathetic arguments carefully you will be able to say you were right, but it would not ever be realistic or truthful, but those two things are mutually incompatible with the lies and pretenses and innumeracy and ignorance and incomprehension and illogic of the vermiform uckster.





actually there are a lot of firm numbers. Though you want to pretend otherwise, for some reason.


Not everyone at the event was from Oakland.

Zero unions joined the strike.

Zero Schools closed.

Almost no Bussiness closed.

Public Transportation stayed open.


The strike failed.

The city stayed open.



The silly little one can't face reality.



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