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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 8:12:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		A traditional holiday for fertility worship, in any case, most animals do breed in the spring so their offspring will be be born before winter - I suppose it would be the reverse in the Southern hemisphere, never really occurred to me before, or do they have winter there?

It that "hemishpereism"?

Spring is also when the dead are planted, and Halloween, or something like it, was originally held in the spring, when the ground was soft enough to dig graves again and the survivors counted their blessings.



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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 8:28:16 AM   
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In Norse Mythology it is wound up in Baldur coming out of Nifelheim, to the great joy of Odin and Freye as MorJord, (mother earth).

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 8:41:01 AM   
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Sorta like Christmas is almost but not quite held on the Solstice.

Well no, it's not "sorta like" that. December 25th was the date of the Winter solstice in the Julian calendar.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 8:45:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		And you will find that in nature you have your stuff reversed, the rut is on in the fall for longer gestations, kine, sheep, swine, and so on, so the younguns are born in the spring and ready to go for the winter. Short gestations, aviary, buggies and so on is early spring or very late winter, born late spring.


And winter burials in cold climates were no big deal, they either were burned in pyres on top of the ground or on ships if they wer Vik, or thrown in the frozen swamps, or the logs were burned (Yule logs and so on) over the burial site until they could dig deep enough, and they weren't all that fussy about deep.

In the heathen there wasnt all that much monkeybusiness with bodies unless they were very very rich (which usually meant royalty) and then they were buried in the sylized overturned boat graves (but that was once Nidaros (The town) and like that were organized. Uppsala, Nidaros, Oslo, Trondhjeim (that was heavy pyres and fjord burnings cuz of the length of the warm months wasnt many).....

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 9:11:35 AM   
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And you will find that in nature you have your stuff reversed, the rut is on in the fall for longer gestations...

Well, Fall in the Northern Hemisphere would be Spring in the Southern... so it's "sorta like" the same.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 4:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tantriq and kalika.... those are against TOS. The saying was posted by Hill, I believe... I may be wrong on the poster, but I do recall the saying... and the post was removed.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 4:13:29 PM   
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I think people are making a big issue out of something very minor. As others have said, the dentist hands out toothbrushes, people hand out pennies (probably quarters not, that was a long time ago), fruit, whatever.


Okay... so anybody fot any follow up... Did IshKabibble get to give out his bibles?



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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 8:51:13 PM   
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I swear that Roscoe ate my brain. Author and title would have helped with the page number and character I posted.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 9:01:27 PM   
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I think people are making a big issue out of something very minor. As others have said, the dentist hands out toothbrushes, people hand out pennies (probably quarters not, that was a long time ago), fruit, whatever.


Okay... so anybody fot any follow up... Did IshKabibble get to give out his bibles?




Sounds like they did in Canada: http://www.thestar.com/living/article/1079015--bibles-or-candy-what-are-you-giving-out



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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/4/2011 9:03:49 PM   
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And you will find that in nature you have your stuff reversed, the rut is on in the fall for longer gestations, kine, sheep, swine, and so on, so the younguns are born in the spring and ready to go for the winter. Short gestations, aviary, buggies and so on is early spring or very late winter, born late spring.


And winter burials in cold climates were no big deal, they either were burned in pyres on top of the ground or on ships if they wer Vik, or thrown in the frozen swamps, or the logs were burned (Yule logs and so on) over the burial site until they could dig deep enough, and they weren't all that fussy about deep.

In the heathen there wasnt all that much monkeybusiness with bodies unless they were very very rich (which usually meant royalty) and then they were buried in the sylized overturned boat graves (but that was once Nidaros (The town) and like that were organized. Uppsala, Nidaros, Oslo, Trondhjeim (that was heavy pyres and fjord burnings cuz of the length of the warm months wasnt many).....
Wasn't really the point, but that all sounds like kind of a big deal, you have to burn a boat for one thing, and they don't just fall out of the sky.

The point was that the seasons symbolize the cycle of life and death, spring represents birth, summer youth, fall, maturity, winter, old age and death, and it's all pretty much tied into astrology - the symbol of Jesus is the fish for example, Pisces, and a great deal of the Christ mythos has to do with astrology, it's how people tracked things before clocks.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 7:23:58 AM   
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Tantriq and kalika.... those are against TOS. The saying was posted by Hill, I believe... I may be wrong on the poster, but I do recall the saying... and the post was removed.


Oops.

Sorry Delta, won't happen again.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 10:54:31 AM   
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cool? Probably not.

Your right? Absolutely

People have the right to hand out bibles and pamphlets, absolutely, that most certainly falls under the first amendment. I don't think anyone in the thread disagrees with that.

That said why is it no big deal for them to hand out their stuff and not cool for me to hand out mine?

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 11:18:11 AM   
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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 1:01:30 PM   
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cool? Probably not.

Your right? Absolutely

People have the right to hand out bibles and pamphlets, absolutely, that most certainly falls under the first amendment. I don't think anyone in the thread disagrees with that.

That said why is it no big deal for them to hand out their stuff and not cool for me to hand out mine?


Because there seems to be this insane, vein-popping-determination, that they get to dictate to others what they do.


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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 1:10:12 PM   
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Because there seems to be this insane, vein-popping-determination, that they get to dictate to others what they do.


No dear. I just get to dictate what I will allow people do with, to or around my child.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 1:30:23 PM   
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Because there seems to be this insane, vein-popping-determination, that they get to dictate to others what they do.


No dear. I just get to dictate what I will allow people do with, to or around my child.


Not on their own property.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 1:58:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aylee, so you think someone should be allowed to give my kid a condom, just because it is their property? Or racist literature? Or violent comic books?

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 2:02:18 PM   
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Not on their own property.


So because we are on their property, it would be perfectly fine if someone gave your child porn?

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 2:53:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Halloween has its roots in ancient pagan traditions that go back well before the time of Christ. Samhein is just one name given to it, and it represents many things in those traditions, it is at the time of the last harvest (things like pumpkins, for example, and root vegetables are harvested), and being agricultural communities, this represented an end of year for them. It is also a so called "thin time" when the spirit and living world are closest, which is why we have images of ghosts and goblins as part of it. At this time the meal often woud include a plate for ancestors, especially recently passed ones, since their spirit was thought to be around.

In some traditions I have read about the spirits would be mischievous, and to keep them from playing tricks on them, people would have offerings of dried fruit and candied stuff to appease them (sound familiar? Wonder why kids say trick or treat?).

Modern Halloween came about in the 19th century in the US (think the story of Icabod Crane), when it became a time of parties and so forth, and grew from there.
Halloween, like Christmas, may once have been religious, but like the secular holiday portion of Christmas (ya know, the shopping sprees, eat till you bloat, etc, etc) is divorced from any religious meaning for many people, maybe most (yes, of course Christmas is celebrated as a religious holiday by many people, Christmas is really two holidays, advent and nativity of Christ are obviously one of them, the secular the other, which is what I am talking about).

The guy is a jerk, and like those religious right types who wanted to get Harry Potter banned from public libraries for 'promoting witchcraft', it is just plain stupidity. Among other things, Halloween never had anything to do with the Devil, no pagan religion had such a figure. Christians claimed devil worship for the ancient festivals to have an excuse to suppress them, and this toad is no different.

BTW, "All Saints Day" was another example of the church taking an existing "day of the dead" and turning it into a Christian festival to further attempt to get people to convert, the day existed long before Christ even existed. Like Christmas on December 25th and other things taken from the old pagan traditions, it was taking over older festivals to get people to feel comfortable.

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RE: Trick-or-bible - 11/5/2011 3:58:29 PM   
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Aylee, so you think someone should be allowed to give my kid a condom, just because it is their property? Or racist literature? Or violent comic books?


My house, my rules. Their house, their rules.

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Not on their own property.


So because we are on their property, it would be perfectly fine if someone gave your child porn?


My house, my rules. Their house, their rules.

I will note, that I am not sure that giving out porn to minors is legal. I know that there have been hoo-fraws about snowmen and snow-women being anatomically correct, among other things.



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