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FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:14:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven In fairness to him, anyone at his level is more likely to have this than someone at your or my level. And in Washington, harassment is papered over. I don't think the harassment allegations will really hurt him politically, more than it did Thomas, but his reaction to it might hurt him. Right now, he's seeing scrutiny more than he's ever known, and being crabby now will sink him. I dislike Cain and what he stands for. Would never vote for him. But I have to agree with Steven. Being accused of shit like that is as common to a guy in power as wearing a suit, white shirt, and tie. Hell, my former boss was accused of it AFTER I fired the twit, and I know he never did anything out of like with her. Did he settle the claim? Firm

TreasureKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:19:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle If there's no merit to the claims, where was there a financial settlement? Do YOU usually write people a check for no reason? Firm already answered this question with a "yes". quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY ... it was a choice between paying lawyers hundreds of thousands, or a much smaller "go away" fee to the claimant, and from an economic decision many times nuisance suits are cheaper to settle like this. That's personally not a decision I would make: I've paid lawyers 10s of thousands of dollars to fight BS lawsuits and accusations before. I've recently mentioned in the forums that I paid a lawyer $1250 in order to tell an insurance company that wanted me to pay only $1000 to go fuck themselves. But not all people and businesses make that same "morality versus cost" decision, and I understand it. Every business I've ever worked for has faced this same issue. Baseless claims are made all the time with the idea that the cost of settling is less than the expense of litigating. It's why you see yahoos suing for stupid things like spilling hot coffee on themselves and using hairdryers in the shower. It used to be rare to see a businesses decide to spend more money to prove they are right, but I've seen it happen more often lately. I think they are getting tired of being seen as the deep pockets that can be dipped into when someone decides they want some money.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:20:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Never thought your "Second Law" could be wrong? It's not "my" Second Law. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im just trying to head off the inevitable... as I stated. The only comment in the thread about the type of media from any "rightward leaning" poster was mine, in which I said "Dem supportive members of the establishment media". It appears to me that your "preemptive defense" of Politico was really an attempt to discredit any reasonable discussion of the source. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:36:57 AM)
~FR First he was vaguely aware, now he denies. http://news.yahoo.com/cain-denies-report-sexual-harassment-005515800.html Yet, Politico reports getting a statement From Gordon - see the OP piece- that the quote: After not responding to the question for several days, Gordon emailed POLITICO on Oct. 24 that any dispute about Cain’s conduct at the restaurant association “was settled amicably among all parties many years ago.” Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194_Page2.html#ixzz1cNUt32Mx So, which is it? Does he remember or not? Seems like more of his back peddling to me.

Sanity -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:39:25 AM)
What if it depends on what the meaning of "is" is

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:40:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Never thought your "Second Law" could be wrong? It's not "my" Second Law. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im just trying to head off the inevitable... as I stated. The only comment in the thread about the type of media from any "rightward leaning" poster was mine, in which I said "Dem supportive members of the establishment media". It appears to me that your "preemptive defense" of Politico was really an attempt to discredit any reasonable discussion of the source. Firm No, that wasnt the only comment in the thread regarding that. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3903910 We all know how some cons(the rabid kind) dismiss damming or embarassing news/info about themselves, if it comes from a MSM source or what cons call the "liberal media". And.... Politico is(or was)one of the sites everyone,conservative to liberal thought of as truethful and fair,like snopes.Cons will(would) link to and use Politico as a source to back their point.Politico has always had a rep. for being fair,accurate and truthful. So as things like this come out on good reputable news/info sites like Politico,look for cons to attack the source and ignore the facts. So, before it became a slug fest over the respectability of Politico, I did some digging to see which of the known conservatives on this threads did in fact use Politico as a source. That is where, and why, the list came about.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:41:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What if it depends on what the meaning of "is" is Back peddling for him, Sanity?

Sanity -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:42:59 AM)
Pointing out the lefts usual double standard, tazzy. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What if it depends on what the meaning of "is" is Back peddling for him, Sanity?

blacksword404 -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 9:55:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Cain is Cain, and not Thomas. Its best to keep them seperate. The man told me about this story, and when I looked it up, I expected some alex jones-ish web site. Instead, it originated at Politico... and they seem extremely willing to back the story completely. He denies the accusations. He would be a fool not to deny them. Make people prove he is guilty. Smart man. After Thomas, without a smoking gun.... like one in Cain's own handwriting... one associated with Cain's personal lawyer... or a video/audio recording.... im not too sure this will greatly affect his running. The "high tech lynching has begun". I missed this technique, when I said before that Cain will be accused of all kinds of things by the press. I knew, but missed the fact that as a black conservative, Dem supportive members of the establishment media would use the racist meme of a black man with white women to stir up racist sentiment, and then attempt to metaphysically "lynch" him. It's exactly like Thomas, in that respect. Firm He wasn't accused by the media. The media just reported it. If there were no substance to the allegations then why were there two out-of-court financial settlements? But I do find this conservative whining about the media to be very amusing. You sit there and listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and let them convince you into the nonsense they spew to draw ratings. Then you complain about the "establishment media"? In world of today you don't pay because you're guilty. You pay to make it go away quickly. Getting bogged down fighting false accusations can have the same impact as fighting something you're guilty of. How many false harassment charges does it take before people refuse to believe you could be innocent?

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:08:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Pointing out the lefts usual double standard, tazzy. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What if it depends on what the meaning of "is" is Back peddling for him, Sanity? I have no double standard, Sanity... unlike yourself. [;)]

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:37:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im just trying to head off the inevitable... as I stated. The only comment in the thread about the type of media from any "rightward leaning" poster was mine, in which I said "Dem supportive members of the establishment media". It appears to me that your "preemptive defense" of Politico was really an attempt to discredit any reasonable discussion of the source. No, that wasnt the only comment in the thread regarding that. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3903910 We all know how some cons(the rabid kind) dismiss damming or embarassing news/info about themselves, if it comes from a MSM source or what cons call the "liberal media". And.... Politico is(or was)one of the sites everyone,conservative to liberal thought of as truethful and fair,like snopes.Cons will(would) link to and use Politico as a source to back their point.Politico has always had a rep. for being fair,accurate and truthful. So as things like this come out on good reputable news/info sites like Politico,look for cons to attack the source and ignore the facts. So, before it became a slug fest over the respectability of Politico, I did some digging to see which of the known conservatives on this threads did in fact use Politico as a source. That is where, and why, the list came about. You need to read closer and stop playing "gotcha" games. What I said (and which you then bolded, but apparently did not read) was "The only comment in the thread about the type of media from any "rightward leaning" poster was mine," .. which is correct, unless you wish to now classify Owner as a "rightward leaning poster"? Welcome to the Dark Side, Owner![:D] Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:40:17 AM)
And what did I reply too, Firm?

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:42:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Politico is(or was)one of the sites everyone,conservative to liberal thought of as truethful and fair,like snopes.Cons will(would) link to and use Politico as a source to back their point.Politico has always had a rep. for being fair,accurate and truthful. Firm.... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3812162 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3620710 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3521221 Sanity.... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3876505 And again http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3868158 Politico is used as a source in the last link... willbe... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3772810 Rich... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3586790 FatDomDaddy http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3791618 StrangerThan http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3791618 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats a good collection of the conservative posters here. I posted this list to head off the argument that Politico is a leftist rag... because we all know it would be coming. Problem is,,, if its so leftist, why have so many conservatives utilized it in so many threads? Lets not get into this argument.... as you can see, it would be nothing more than a derailment. This was what I replied too. Is that your post that I quoted? Or is that Owner's post?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:48:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And what did I reply too, Firm? It doesn't matter who you replied to that time. I replied to you, and told you that you were arguing a straw-man, and defending something that wasn't even mentioned. Then you quote me and fail to even read what I said, and now you come back with some off-the-wall question that makes not a whit of difference to the off-topic discussion. This is either classic deflection, or you need to get a good night's sleep before continuing. Either way, I'm done with you on this side-bar to the discussion. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:49:39 AM)
But it was mentioned.... just not by you. I stand by what I posted. Owner made the comment .... quote: We all know how some cons(the rabid kind) dismiss damming or embarassing news/info about themselves, if it comes from a MSM source or what cons call the "liberal media". Typically what people term a "leftist rag". I merely pointed out that, among conservatives, many have used that site as a valid source. Now, why you are getting all upset at me, I have no clue. I dont think Owner was talking about you, because he mentioned "rabid". I wasnt accusing anyone of anything, merely pointing out that many conservatives have used that site and that this doesnt need to denigrate into the kind of argument that Owner described.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:50:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl But it was mentioned.... just not by you. [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 10:54:57 AM)
Sorry, you misunderstood now you are making a mountain out of air.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 11:06:19 AM)
oh, hell, never mind.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 11:40:07 AM)
~FR quote: Block said he is not aware of any cash settlement, and maintained Cain’s innocence. “Mr. Cain has never sexually harassed anyone, period,” he said, adding that when he asked his boss of the allegations, he said “the story is not true. Bring me some facts. Bring me the accuser.” http://news.yahoo.com/herman-cain-denies-sexual-harassment-allegation-bring-accuser-140303941.html Im curious... does this now mean the women can talk, even though they signed agreements not too?

rulemylife -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 12:08:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity A Clarence Thomas redux? Drudge has been featuring this for a couple of days now: FLASHBACK: 'I'M READY FOR HIGH-TECH LYNCHING'... [link=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/30/coulter_on_politicos_smear_of_cain_liberals_terrified_of_strong_conservative_black_men.html]Coulter: 'They Are Terrified Of Strong, Conservative, Black Men'... Sanity, you are the epitome of hypocrisy. You post threads complaining of Obama's fundraising from wealthy donors yet have no problem with Cain doing the same. From your Examiner link: Last week I attended a Cain fundraiser at a private home north of Atlanta. (To call it a private home doesn't quite do it justice; it was a 42,000 square-foot Italianate mansion complete with its own lifesize replica of main street in cowboy-era Tombstone, Arizona, with Cain standing in the recreated Oriental saloon to greet big donors.) Non-sequitur. Different issue. If you wish to discuss Obama's (and much of the presses') hypocrisy on the issue, start another thread. Firm Bullshit. Someone who constantly posts about Obama's ties to wealthy donors and constantly criticizes him for it is now posting an article that praises Cain for doing the same thing. And you find no pertinent connection between the two? What was that term you always loved to use? Oh yeah, confirmation bias.

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