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tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:16:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Will abortions, even if only for incest and rape victims, be legal or not? Yanno, its pretty easy to lay harrassment accusations on anyone. Proof? Different deal. But lets say old Hermie slipped the salami to these girls as he was feeling them up, would it then be ok in his mind for them to get an abortion? Or would he prefer to go through the paternity tests?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:39:53 PM)
FR: Cain details gesture that led to sex accusation October 31, 2011 4:02pm Byron York Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain for the first time has offered a detailed recollection of what led an employee of the National Restaurant Association to lodge a sexual harassment charge against him when he was CEO of the organization. Cain spoke in response to detailed questioning from Fox News' Greta van Susteren, who led Cain through the facts of the case in an extended interview. That interview was taped to be shown on Fox Monday night. Cain told van Susteren that he remembered one woman who was a writer in the Association's communications department. "I can't even remember her name, but I do remember the formal allegation she made in terms of sexual harassment," Cain said. "I turned it over to my general counsel and one of the ladies that worked for me, the woman in charge of human resources. They did investigate…and it was found to be baseless." Van Susteren asked Cain how often he saw the woman. "I might see her in the office because her office was on the same floor as my office," Cain said. Van Susteren asked whether the woman traveled with Cain, who spent a lot of time on the road speaking to restaurant associations around the country. "No, never," Cain said. Cain said the woman was "younger than I was," but he could not recall her age. Pressed, he said, "It would have had to have been late 30s, early 40s." Van Susteren asked what Cain did that led to the accusation. There were reportedly more than one accusations in the complaint, but Cain said he recalled just one incident. "She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying -- and I was standing close to her -- and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, 'My wife comes up to my chin.'" At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. "And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable," Cain said, "something that was in the sexual harassment charge." Van Susteren asked whether the woman complained at the time. "I can't recall any comment that she made, positive or negative." Cain also offered new information about the settlement of the case. Politico, which broke the sexual harassment allegation story, said that the woman received a money settlement "in the five-figure range." When van Susteren asked about that, Cain said, "My general counsel said this started out where she and her lawyer were demanding a huge financial settlement…I don't remember a number…But then he said because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement." When van Susteren asked how much money was involved, Cain said. "Maybe three months' salary. I don't remember. It might have been two months. I do remember my general counsel saying we didn't pay all of the money they demanded." As for reports that a second woman also complained about his behavior, Cain said, "I am totally unaware as to any formal charges coming from this other person." Cain said he was told the woman's name by reporters at Politico. "I have no knowledge that she made a formal complaint," Cain said. Cain told van Susteren that the woman worked in the Restaurant Association's government affairs department, working with the group's political action committee. He said he seldom saw her. As to the allegation that he might have made what Politico quoted as "an unwanted sexual advance" during a trip to Chicago, Cain said, "When we were at the restaurant show, I was constantly talking with different staff members about different issues. If I had a private conversation with her, I don't recall it." I noticed some of my liberal friends have decided to start down the "let's derail this puppy with other shit we can throw - on - the - wall - and- see- if - we - can -make - it -stick (since we aren't getting anywhere with the made up stuff that is on-topic)" [8\|] , so I found something to continue the relevant conversation about. [8D] Firm

mnottertail -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:48:14 PM)
Well, interesting to say the least. But what is of more concern is the liberal shit sticking to the wall asswipe. Where is that occuring?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:53:39 PM)
Here's another: Herman Cain Tells Press Club: 'I Never Sexually Harassed Anyone' By: Kenric Ward \| Posted: October 31, 2011 2:33 PM Acknowledging that "the bull's-eye on my back has gotten bigger," GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain on Monday denied that he had engaged in sexual harassment when he headed the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s. But Cain confirmed that he had been "accused," and branded the allegations reported in a Politico story over the weekend "totally baseless and totally false." "In my over 40 years of running businesses and corporations, I have never sexually harassed anyone," he told an audience at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. "I was accused -- falsely, I might add. When the charges were brought, I recused myself, and allowed my general counsel and human-resources officer to deal with the matter. "After a thorough investigation, it was determined there was no basis for the complaints," Cain related. According to the Politico report, Cain allegedly "offended" two female staffers during his tenure at the NRA. The story indicated that "innuendo" and personal remarks of a "sexual, suggestive nature" were made by Cain at NRA events and offices. Without naming any names, Politico quoted individuals who "witnessed physical gestures that were not overtly sexual." Politico said a cash settlement was made to two women, who had reportedly signed an agreement to stay quiet about the matter. The Georgia businessman said he was "not aware of a settlement." "If the NRA did a settlement, I hope it wasn't for much because nothing happened," Cain said. Pressed for details, Cain said he understood it was the NRA's policy not to comment further on the matter. And he said he would not "chase anonymous sources" referenced in the story. In an earlier appearance on Fox News, Cain was asked if there were any other harassment charges in his past. Cain responded no, and then added, "The only other allegations will be trumped-up allegations." Assessing the impact on his campaign, Cain said, "Obviously, some people are going to be turned off by the cloud some people want to put over this campaign." At one point in his Press Club remarks, Cain referred to the harassment allegations as a "witch hunt." The timing and anonymity of the Politico story evoked howls of criticism from conservative commentators, as well as intimations of racism. Calling it a "late hit," radio talk-show host Laura Ingraham, a former attorney, said, "Give me five minutes [with the accusers] and five questions, along with their work records, and we would get the truth." Recalling the sexual allegations made against Clarence Thomas amid his Supreme Court confirmation, columnist Ann Coulter called the allegations against Cain a "high-tech lynching." Rush Limbaugh declared, "This [Politico] story is a joke that can only be appreciated by Bill Clinton and other sexual predators." Limbaugh called the Cain story "a close cousin to the hit job the Washington Post is doing on [Florida Sen.] Marco Rubio. It's the politics of minority conservative personal destruction." Meantime, mainstream media pundits played up the Cain story. Bloomberg columnist Jonathan Alter -- evidently oblivious to the ongoing Solyndra and Fast and Furious investigations -- asserted that there have been "no scandals" surrounding Barack Obama. They mentioned the Marco Rubio hit piece, but there was a pretty nasty one recently in the NYT on Congressman Issa, not to mention the McCain "having an affair" hit piece that they ran back before the last election. Oh, don't forget the "Perry is a racist" hit piece. What do they all have in common? Liberal media, Republicans, and many unsourced anonymous sources, that never see the light of day. "Responsible journalism" - If you are a liberal, or a Democrat. Otherwise, not so much. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:54:47 PM)
And this is what he "vaguely" remembered until now?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:54:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail ... asswipe. Ya wanna go down that path, my friend? Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 2:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And this is what he "vaguely" remembered until now? Healthy people don't nurse grudges and obsess about every little slight and misfortune done to them in their lives. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:00:43 PM)
I hardly doubt any man would forget a single case of being accused of sexual harassment.... especially when it involves a huge sum of money.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:02:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I hardly doubt any man would forget a single case of being accused of sexual harassment.... especially when it involves a huge sum of money. "5 figures" ... probably the standard $10k ... isn't a "huge sum of money" to many people or large organizations. It would especially not be notable if it were simply an HR "three month severance package". ETA: But then he said because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement." When van Susteren asked how much money was involved, Cain said. "Maybe three months' salary. I don't remember. It might have been two months. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:08:02 PM)
Your source.... When van Susteren asked about that, Cain said, "My general counsel said this started out where she and her lawyer were demanding a huge financial settlement…I don't remember a number…But then he said because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement." When van Susteren asked how much money was involved, Cain said. "Maybe three months' salary. I don't remember. It might have been two months. I do remember my general counsel saying we didn't pay all of the money they demanded."

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:09:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Your source.... When van Susteren asked about that, Cain said, "My general counsel said this started out where she and her lawyer were demanding a huge financial settlement…I don't remember a number…But then he said because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement." When van Susteren asked how much money was involved, Cain said. "Maybe three months' salary. I don't remember. It might have been two months. I do remember my general counsel saying we didn't pay all of the money they demanded." Your point? Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:09:44 PM)
No man forgets a woman who tries to tap his wallet for a huge amount of money.

blacksword404 -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:13:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 In world of today you don't pay because you're guilty. You pay to make it go away quickly. Getting bogged down fighting false accusations can have the same impact as fighting something you're guilty of. How many false harassment charges does it take before people refuse to believe you could be innocent? I could believe that if it was a single incident. But twice? With two separate financial settlements? That starts to stretch the imagination. That's the trap of it. It doesn't matter if any of them are true or are blatant attempts at digging in his pockets. More than one accusation and people tend not to believe you. Look at that imf head. He was accused and had to step down. He wasn't found guilty. He was accused. Tell me, how can you prevent accusations?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:17:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No man forgets a woman who tries to tap his wallet for a huge amount of money. First, you have no idea how much any of the figures are, and neither do I, and I suspect we never will. Second, it wouldn't have been "his" money. It would have been the Association's money. Third, people make all kinds of outrageous claims in a lawsuit. They are almost never considered serious, nor taken that way. They are generally a negotiating position, and everyone who's involved in these things understand that. Fourth, he said that he discussed it with his HR and legal department, and they apparently (we don't really know) weren't too worried about any of it, told him so, and were correct if the "huge settlement" turned into a $10-20k severance package. Just because you can't conceive of any of these things says more about your lack of experience in that world, than it does about any "guilt" from Cain. Just admit it, tazzy, you are a die hard liberal who would just as soon spit on an conservative republican - probably any republican - rather than admit that they might actually be human, and not "guilty" of whatever illegality, deception or criminality you want to hang them with. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:19:42 PM)
quote: Cain also offered new information about the settlement of the case. Politico, which broke the sexual harassment allegation story, said that the woman received a money settlement "in the five-figure range." When van Susteren asked about that, Cain said, "My general counsel said this started out where she and her lawyer were demanding a huge financial settlement…I don't remember a number…But then he said because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement." When van Susteren asked how much money was involved, Cain said. "Maybe three months' salary. I don't remember. It might have been two months. I do remember my general counsel saying we didn't pay all of the money they demanded." quote: The Georgia businessman said he was "not aware of a settlement." "If the NRA did a settlement, I hope it wasn't for much because nothing happened," Cain said. One gives a detailed description of the settlement... the other says he was not aware of a settlement. Which is it?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:20:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 That's the trap of it. It doesn't matter if any of them are true or are blatant attempts at digging in his pockets. More than one accusation and people tend not to believe you. Look at that imf head. He was accused and had to step down. He wasn't found guilty. He was accused. Tell me, how can you prevent accusations? shheeettt, blacksword ... don't you know the drill? 1. A Republican is immediately guilty on accusation. 2. A Democrat deserves the benefit of the doubt ... even after he has been convicted. That's just the way they play it nowadays. [8D][;)] Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:21:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl One gives a detailed description of the settlement... the other says he was not aware of a settlement. Which is it? Keep parsing them words, tazzy. I'm sure you'll have him convicted of rape in no time. After all - he is a black man, yanno. [8\|] Firm

Hillwilliam -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:25:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No man forgets a woman who tries to tap his wallet for a huge amount of money. Trust me taz. I have forgotten a LOT of women that have tried to tap me for what was (in my mind) a huge chunk. You tell em theyre full of shit and forget about them. When you have a y chromosome, it's just part of the life.

Sanity -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:25:05 PM)
A black Republican - automatically guilty.

slvemike4u -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:26:17 PM)
Stop with the bullshit crying about a supposed double standard Firm...folks on the left do not hold an exclusive patent on rushing to judgement nor of jumping to conclusion. To hear you whine about conservitives almost sound like a class of people that would qualify for an anti discrimination law [8\|]

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