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Hillwilliam -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:26:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity A black Republican - automatically guilty. Well hell, sanity, there's what? 3 of em?

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:27:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No man forgets a woman who tries to tap his wallet for a huge amount of money. First, you have no idea how much any of the figures are, and neither do I, and I suspect we never will. Second, it wouldn't have been "his" money. It would have been the Association's money. Third, people make all kinds of outrageous claims in a lawsuit. They are almost never considered serious, nor taken that way. They are generally a negotiating position, and everyone who's involved in these things understand that. Fourth, he said that he discussed it with his HR and legal department, and they apparently (we don't really know) weren't too worried about any of it, told him so, and were correct if the "huge settlement" turned into a $10-20k severance package. Just because you can't conceive of any of these things says more about your lack of experience in that world, than it does about any "guilt" from Cain. Just admit it, tazzy, you are a die hard liberal who would just as soon spit on an conservative republican - probably any republican - rather than admit that they might actually be human, and not "guilty" of whatever illegality, deception or criminality you want to hang them with. Firm I am liberal.. conservative on some points. On this, all I see is back peddling... and lots of it. No man forgets a woman who demands a huge financial settlement for a "wrong" charge of sexual harrassment.... just doesnt happen. Men may not remember all the women they do.. but they do remember the money. quote: Second, it wouldn't have been "his" money. It would have been the Association's money. An association he was in charge of. quote: Third, people make all kinds of outrageous claims in a lawsuit. They are almost never considered serious, nor taken that way. They are generally a negotiating position, and everyone who's involved in these things understand that. I never have said one way of the other if I believe the accusations or not. I am questioning his behavior at this time. quote: Fourth, he said that he discussed it with his HR and legal department, and they apparently (we don't really know) weren't too worried about any of it, told him so, and were correct if the "huge settlement" turned into a $10-20k severance package. A huge setttlement wouldnt have been two or three months salary... not for a charge like this.. not with a lawyer involved. quote: Just because you can't conceive of any of these things says more about your lack of experience in that world, than it does about any "guilt" from Cain. I can conceive of alot of things. I can also conceive of a man who may be desperately trying to back peddle his way out of a huge mistake he made years ago. quote: Just admit it, tazzy, you are a die hard liberal who would just as soon spit on an conservative republican - probably any republican - rather than admit that they might actually be human, and not "guilty" of whatever illegality, deception or criminality you want to hang them with. Im pretty straight forward. If I thought he was guilty, I am capable, and more than willing to say so. You keep trying to put those words into my mouth.. and they just dont fit. Now, you want to play protector, that is your right. And Im going to sit here and question what doesnt make sense to me.. as it is my right. He is flip flopping again.... and you are accepting it.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:28:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl One gives a detailed description of the settlement... the other says he was not aware of a settlement. Which is it? Keep parsing them words, tazzy. I'm sure you'll have him convicted of rape in no time. After all - he is a black man, yanno. [8\|] Firm Ah, now you are using the race card, Firm. Nice touch. It wont work though.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:30:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 That's the trap of it. It doesn't matter if any of them are true or are blatant attempts at digging in his pockets. More than one accusation and people tend not to believe you. Look at that imf head. He was accused and had to step down. He wasn't found guilty. He was accused. Tell me, how can you prevent accusations? shheeettt, blacksword ... don't you know the drill? 1. A Republican is immediately guilty on accusation. 2. A Democrat deserves the benefit of the doubt ... even after he has been convicted. That's just the way they play it nowadays. [8D][;)] Firm Back it up big boy. Who was the one saying, almost immediately, that Weiner needed to get the hell out of office?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:30:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Stop with the bullshit crying about a supposed double standard Firm...folks on the left do not hold an exclusive patent on rushing to judgement nor of jumping to conclusion. To hear you whine about conservitives almost sound like a class of people that would qualify for an anti discrimination law [8\|] Hey mike, Hyperbole, for effect. shrugs Not sure how much good it'll do, but I like to try sometime. Firm

Sanity -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:31:03 PM)
Its that he threatens them, he is taking away their race card, which is practically the only thing theyve got. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity A black Republican - automatically guilty. Well hell, sanity, there's what? 3 of em?

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:31:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its that he threatens them, he is taking away their race card, which is practically the only thing theyve got. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity A black Republican - automatically guilty. Well hell, sanity, there's what? 3 of em? Firm is playing the race card for him

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:33:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Back it up big boy. Who was the one saying, almost immediately, that Weiner needed to get the hell out of office? See my post above, to mike. I don't think I ever made a comment about Weiner, one way or the other. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:34:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Back it up big boy. Who was the one saying, almost immediately, that Weiner needed to get the hell out of office? See my post above, to mike. I don't think I ever made a comment about Weiner, one way or the other. Firm I did, Firm. I stated from the get go that he needed to leave office. But, yeah, I always believe teh Dems over the Republicans, dont I? I always give a Dem the benefit of a doubt, dont I? [8\|]

Sanity -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:34:20 PM)
Politico's Martin: "We're Just Not Going To Get Into The Details Of Exactly What Happened" A high tech lynching indeed.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:36:23 PM)
The women signed confidentality clauses... they cant. But Cain can, huh, then can stand there and demand these women be brought forward. I wish they would. It would settle this matter once and for all. As it stands, Cani can back peddle until sunday... and he has been known to do often... and you boys will support him no matter what.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:38:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Ah, now you are using the race card, Firm. Nice touch. It wont work though. Nope, in this case, both I and Sanity are pointing out a fact: when a black man or women goes off the liberal plantation, they are called "Uncle Tom's", "Oreos", "not real blacks" or ... especially if they are strong black males ... given the "high tech lynching" treatment, which involves attempting to tap into the "black men raping white women" meme from earlier in our history. These are all racist techniques used by liberals and Democrats in attempts to discredit and control black conservatives. So ... we are racist for pointing out racism? Ok. Guilty, then. So crucify me. face palm Firm

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:38:37 PM)
Here is the thing, though. I don't know whether there is a double standard or not. What I do know is that sexual mores at work have changed A LOT in the last 30 years. When I first started working after college, I was daily subjected to comments and actions that would absolutely, positively, get you sued for sexual harassment these days. Next job, same thing. And the next, and the next. When I was in law school, though, I worked at a federal agency. Even as temporary employees, we went through sexual harassment training. No, they weren't training us to do it, they were describing what they considered harassment, and making clear that you could be fired for it, instantly. We weren't even allowed to compliment people on how they dressed, or mention their appearance in any way, let alone do the shenanigans that were so common place in my earlier work places. It was actually a big shock going to work for a private firm, after working for the agency. I will never forget asking one of the dinosaur older partners for a character recommendation that I needed for the Bar, and having him say, well, let's go to a hotel and find out how good your character really is. For the most part, though. I think people are far more circumspect in the workplace than they used to be. All the lawsuits and all the big payouts and settlements have changed things. As for Cain, well, I just don't know. I do think he is going to have to address it though, and probably provide some details. I guess it will be up to the voters whether they consider it to be sexual harassment or not.

blacksword404 -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:39:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 That's the trap of it. It doesn't matter if any of them are true or are blatant attempts at digging in his pockets. More than one accusation and people tend not to believe you. Look at that imf head. He was accused and had to step down. He wasn't found guilty. He was accused. Tell me, how can you prevent accusations? shheeettt, blacksword ... don't you know the drill? 1. A Republican is immediately guilty on accusation. 2. A Democrat deserves the benefit of the doubt ... even after he has been convicted. That's just the way they play it nowadays. [8D][;)] Firm Some do have a problem seeing straight. That berzerker rage clouds thier minds.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:40:26 PM)
quote: Nope, in this case, both I and Sanity are pointing out a fact: when a black man or women goes off the liberal plantation, they are called "Uncle Tom's", "Oreos", "not real blacks" or ... especially if they are strong black males ... given the "high tech lynching" treatment, which involves attempting to tap into the "black men raping white women" meme from earlier in our history. Have you ever ... once... saw me post anything remotely like that?????

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:41:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I did, Firm. I stated from the get go that he needed to leave office. But, yeah, I always believe teh Dems over the Republicans, dont I? I always give a Dem the benefit of a doubt, dont I?[8\|] If you stated that he needed to leave office before the facts were known, you were wrong at the time and jumped to a conclusion without sufficient facts. You tend to do that too much, but you seem to have more fun doing it with Republicans. shrugs That's my observation. Firm

Sanity -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:42:34 PM)
The Politico reporters never signed a confidentiality clause, did they? Unnamed sources, unnamed charges... its a state of the art hit piece. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The women signed confidentality clauses... they cant. But Cain can, huh, then can stand there and demand these women be brought forward. I wish they would. It would settle this matter once and for all. As it stands, Cani can back peddle until sunday... and he has been known to do often... and you boys will support him no matter what.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:42:41 PM)
And your observation is wrong. ~shrugs But being wrong never bothered you before.

tazzygirl -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:44:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I did, Firm. I stated from the get go that he needed to leave office. But, yeah, I always believe teh Dems over the Republicans, dont I? I always give a Dem the benefit of a doubt, dont I?[8\|] If you stated that he needed to leave office before the facts were known, you were wrong at the time and jumped to a conclusion without sufficient facts. You tend to do that too much, but you seem to have more fun doing it with Republicans. shrugs That's my observation. Firm He was tweeting cock shots to his whole tweet following... which included a minor. There was nothing wrong in my demanding he should go.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman? (10/31/2011 3:44:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Nope, in this case, both I and Sanity are pointing out a fact: when a black man or women goes off the liberal plantation, they are called "Uncle Tom's", "Oreos", "not real blacks" or ... especially if they are strong black males ... given the "high tech lynching" treatment, which involves attempting to tap into the "black men raping white women" meme from earlier in our history. Have you ever ... once... saw me post anything remotely like that????? I don't read every one of your post, but you are participating in doing the exact "high tech lynching" that was started in a hit piece. Therefore, if you aren't a willing participate, you are being duped and manipulated by the technique. Firm

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