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Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 4:18:36 PM

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 4:31:06 PM

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Cops don't give a fuck about statutes or ordinances they just want to arrest people and swing their sticks, and they want someone to take their heat and do the covering of their asses on legal avoidances, I don't see that as confused.

Truthfully, this day and age with the semi-gestapo antics, training and arrogance of the police force, I really don't see how anyone could have so little fucking ambition or morals in their life that they become a cop.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 4:50:10 PM

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Cops don't give a fuck about statutes or ordinances they just want to arrest people and swing their sticks, and they want someone to take their heat and do the covering of their asses on legal avoidances, I don't see that as confused.

Truthfully, this day and age with the semi-gestpo antics and training of the police force, I really don't see how anyone could have so little fucking ambition or morals in their life that they become a cop.

95 to 99% of the police in any given municipality are in agreement with the article. They are people who are so straightlaced and honest that they wouldn't keep a dollar bill they found on the street if they knew who dropped it. All they want to do is do their job and help people.

I wish I knew why the FUCK they protect the dirtbags.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 4:53:06 PM

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That has not been my lifelong experience, I would go for maybe 45 to 55%. The agreement with the article would be what?

Don't give us the green light to beat the fuck out of these clowns, then tell us not to beat the fuck out of these clowns and at the same time let people in government and even us decide our conscience, cuz the first is too much bad press and makes us look like assholes?

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 4:57:15 PM

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I trained some of em in hand to hand and know a bunch more in places from Miami to bumfuck TN.

It's closer to 95% that are good people.

But I repeat my question of why they cover for the dirtbags.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 5:23:21 PM

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"But I repeat my question of why they cover for the dirtbags. "

Because they themselves are also dirtbags. While a single "Bad Cop" enjoys immunity due to the silence of his comrades, there are no "good cops"...

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 5:24:15 PM

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Because they themselves are also dirtbags. While a single "Bad Cop" enjoys immunity due to the silence of his comrades, there are no "good cops"...

nicely put...

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 5:53:38 PM

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"But I repeat my question of why they cover for the dirtbags. "

Because they themselves are also dirtbags. While a single "Bad Cop" enjoys immunity due to the silence of his comrades, there are no "good cops"...

I disagree with you fargle. They are paramilitary. Why, then, do they not act like the military?
Both are in a hearts and minds battle. A small unit commander in Afghanistan ultimately wants the village headman to pull his hummer over and say "Abdul has come down from the mountains and last night, he was digging at the bend in the road by the pomegranate grove. Allah go with you my son"
A beat cop in Kansas city wants a citzen to pull him aside and say "Yo, man, Bill got outa jail last week and he's back sellin crack on his old corner. He's not livin with his mama, he's got a girlfriend in those blue apartments down on 10th street"
What do both of those require? TRUST.
The shitty thing is that in a lot of cases a village elder in Afghanistan trusts his local marine Sgt more than a US citizen trusts his local beat cop.
Why? The US military, when confronted with a criminal in their ranks, normally prosecutes rather harshly. At least the career is curtailed and theres a good possibility of an extended vacation in Kansas.
Police in the US. They hide and support and destroy evidence and...

Ive never been able to find out why the good ones protect those who bing shame upon their profession.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 6:27:09 PM

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I work very closely with the police in my city…they are all good people. Many that I know have told me, in so many words, how they were surprised as rookies at the amount of hate and resentment that was directed at them. They thought they would be treated with the same respect they showed the public. Instead they were spit on…cursed …and physically attacked…Note how the fanatics in this thread describe them.

Most have told me that they try to become jaded but years of this abuse can not be denied and even with their best efforts not to let it get to them they often find themselves over-reacting when dealing with the innocent public.

It quickly becomes a we against them and they have this protective attitude even when wrong. Just like a military unit…They figure no one has their back but themselves.

Police forces have been well aware of this tendency and that is why they form internal investigative divisions….or they ask a county or state department to investigate for them. It works… and most forces are self-regulating and clean the cancers from their departments.

With the better part of a million police officers they are going to have their share of bad apples. In any other type of employment the company would not be branded for the actions of a few. But because of the power and demanded trust of the police officer any transgression is exaggerated and the whole force and all police everywhere are often unfairly tainted by the actions of these bad apples.

Hell one of your own was arrested for rape…does that mean all occupiers are rapist?

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 6:34:52 PM

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FR...

Wow...

That 100's of police officers in the United States are convicted or forced to resign with "do not hire" attached to their records because good, stand up police officers investigate, report and
arrest them doesn't matter huh?

In the United States, unless law enforcement is the purview of an elected Sheriff, Police Departments and their officers answer to Civilian Authorities.

Why are so many excusing the elected Civil Authority that controls, the police officers you despise so much?

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 6:35:13 PM

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We spoke with Brendan Burke, a member of Occupy Wall Street's security team, who told us he knew about the rape shortly after it happened. He met with Iketubosin after he found out.

"I listened to the person talk, maintaining their innocence," Burke said. "The young lady had left the site and there were already charges filed."

Burke encouraged Iketubosin to leave, but "he thought that would be an admission of guilt."

"I said, do what you gotta do, everyone knows you're here and who you are, you're taking it upon yourself," he said. He left the park around 9 p.m. last night, forced out by "a whole bunch of people," according to the kitchen worker quoted by Gothamist.

Burke stressed that the security team encourages anyone who's been victimized to "go right to police officers, they're all over the place."

Speaks alot for the group.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 6:45:54 PM

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That is my point...you and I both agree that one bad apple should not taint a group... Some of your members have destroyed private property...did you ask them to leave also....some of your group cursed and physically assaulted police officers did you ask them to leave too....or did you make excuses for them just as police officers often do for their brothers.

Can you not see the hypocrisy here?

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 6:55:52 PM

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I work very closely with the police in my city…they are all good people. Many that I know have told me, in so many words, how they were surprised as rookies at the amount of hate and resentment that was directed at them. They thought they would be treated with the same respect they showed the public. Instead they were spit on…cursed …and physically attacked…Note how the fanatics in this thread describe them.

Most have told me that they try to become jaded but years of this abuse can not be denied and even with their best efforts not to let it get to them they often find themselves over-reacting when dealing with the innocent public.

It quickly becomes a we against them and they have this protective attitude even when wrong. Just like a military unit…They figure no one has their back but themselves.

Police forces have been well aware of this tendency and that is why they form internal investigative divisions….or they ask a county or state department to investigate for them. It works… and most forces are self-regulating and clean the cancers from their departments.

With the better part of a million police officers they are going to have their share of bad apples. In any other type of employment the company would not be branded for the actions of a few. But because of the power and demanded trust of the police officer any transgression is exaggerated and the whole force and all police everywhere are often unfairly tainted by the actions of these bad apples.

Hell one of your own was arrested for rape…does that mean all occupiers are rapist?

Butch

Why do you say "your own"? I'm not an OWS'er. I just ask questions and report what I see.
Why are the NYPD showing up en masse to support 16 people with 1500 criminal indictments including transporting a "large shipment of heroin" in his squad car? A lot of that heroin was going to children for God's sake.
It boggles the mind.
Yes, the OWS did turn over someone accused of sexual assault to the police and he was hauled off. Good on both parties.
As I said, if the police want the trust of the public, they must be more military than paramitary. When bad apples show up, eliminate them. Don't protect them. One of the main claims of the NYPD protecting those accused of 1500 crimes was "That's the way we have always done it". What the FUCK?????

How can you expect to recieve the respect and cooperation of the public if you protect the criminals in your midst?

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 6:59:31 PM

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In any other type of employment the company would not be branded for the actions of a few.

Few other types of employment involve a gun and an oath. Those special responsibilities are why they are expected to honorably perform the additional duties required of them.

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you and I both agree that one bad apple should not taint a group

Your little cop-fetishist circle-jerk can 'agree that one bad apple should not taint a group' all you want, but you're ignoring the established scientific facts, the rotting apple gives off ethylene, which speeds the ripening of the others.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 7:05:35 PM

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Then let me set this straight...those whom you support...is that better...Now you asked a why they supported fellow dirt bags… and I gave my opinion... you don't like it tell me why instead of attacking in a different direction.

As far as your story the majority of those officers were protesting over parking ticket fixing not heroin smuggling...and the internal affairs did their job...what the hell more do you want.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 7:18:39 PM

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Your little cop-fetishist circle-jerk can 'agree that one bad apple should not taint a group' all you want, but you're ignoring the established scientific facts, the rotting apple gives off ethylene, which speeds the ripening of the others.

"AGAIN"

Where is your rage at the elected CIVILIAN Authorities who run police departments, especially those elected Executives in America's big cities?

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 7:20:26 PM

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Thank God for the "Thin Blue Line"

http://www.opoa.org/uncategorized/an-open-letter-to-the-citizens-of-oakland-from-the-oakland-police-officers%E2%80%99-association/

Thanks for the insight into what the portion of the department that actually gives consideration to labor and political issues. And I'm glad to see that the ones that do care are REALLY THINKING. But if you know police culture, you also know that there's a very significant portion of the population that don't give a flying fuck what the 'association' says, does, or thinks. Till there's a Christmas party or they get hurt, or IA is breathing down their necks. Or when it's time to threaten a strike themselves to improve their lot.
   So it's good to know some of em give a shit and actually understand the issue fairly well.
     I also think you know that at least part of it would read "We'd rather be taking a billy club to the mayor and her staff than these protesters".
      And for all the nice things it implies about Oakland cops... I have one more ...Last night they were reading off the patches on the cops that went by em... Almost none of the cops that were engaging in brutality last night were Qakland or Alameda Cty Sheriffs' Dept the bulk that physically acted out were from well outside Oakland city limits.
There was a late night breakdown of command of sorts. I was watching it myself.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 7:35:32 PM

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Then let me set this straight...those whom you support...is that better...Now you asked a why they supported fellow dirt bags… and I gave my opinion... you don't like it tell me why instead of attacking in a different direction.

As far as your story the majority of those officers were protesting over parking ticket fixing not heroin smuggling...and the internal affairs did their job...what the hell more do you want.

Butch

The initial investigation and wiretaps were for heroin smuggling and it grew to the ticket fixing investigation as well.
those who were protesting were protesting in support of ALL 16. Noone gave a statement saying "Well, that other guy needs to fry for selling his badge". Regardless. Fixing a ticket is a crime too. The fact that they are outraged because it has "always been that way" is a huge indictment on the lifestyle. What they are saying, in essence, is "we commit crimes to help our frends and FUCK YOU."

Is that right? Why should peoiple who habitually treat others differently under the law in direct violation of both their oath and "All men Are Created Equal" be trusted and honored? they need to act more like the military. Root out the bad apples. If they do that, the basket won't spoil.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 7:40:26 PM

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Yes and I said as much in my original post...and said this "us against them mentality" was the reason for internal affairs...and that internal affairs works...so why are you on me.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/3/2011 7:46:11 PM

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The us against them is a chicken or egg thing. It's been going on for over a century. Who is gonna stop the cycle? It's got to be everyone but the police need to police themselves better. No more demonstrations calling prosecuters "Scum".
I think at that point, they will finally win "Hearts and Minds" in our cities.

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