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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 3:45:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not everyone works a 9-5 job. Part tiime work is still employed, especially for students. Many get off work then go to the camp to put in time before going home... or staying the night.

Shift work? 7 pm to 7 am, an hour drive each way, to spend a few hours with my son, 3 - 4 - sometimes 5 nights a week... I was lucky some days to get three hours sleep.... yet I did it... as I am sure you did. Now you are insisting these people cant?

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:14:20 PM   
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They will just roll their eyes, see it as it is... the rich and greedy wasting more money... and pick up the trash left behind once again.

Again, you shouldnt be so afraid, rob... you asked for this.


This isn't fear, if it were my eyes would be wider

Indianapolis is handling the Occupy protest magnificently, none of the protesters are allowed to squat on city property... They have to stand to protest.


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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:17:24 PM   
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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:22:05 PM   
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Is that a city law or state wide?


Indianapolis, I heard the Valpo OWS was a bust, haven't heard how the Bloomington (IU) or West Lafayette (Purdue) OWS protests are going, either good or bad.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:28:23 PM   
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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:29:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then I really have to ask.... actually, no I dont.... hypocrits stick together.. and seem to attract more hypocrits. So it doesnt surprise me that you would applaud a city that has different standards for different political groups.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:31:25 PM   
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I'm not saying they can't, Tazzy, but something everybody working oddball hours figures out pretty quickly, is that most people don't.



Lunch and supper are the busiest times, Rich. In Oakland, it sounds like shift change at the port happens around 7. Not that impossible to believe some would give time to the movement before heading off to work.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 5:59:43 PM   
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Then I really have to ask.... actually, no I dont.... hypocrits stick together.. and seem to attract more hypocrits. So it doesnt surprise me that you would applaud a city that has different standards for different political groups.


care to back this bullshit up with a source?


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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 6:09:10 PM   
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Is that a city law or state wide?


you know that none of that shit is law dontcha?

Its all "public policy" and has been since 1933.

Of course they never told anyone that and they fine you for  violations of public policy in the name of law,  (or so-called law, which technically is corporate by-law).  and of course corporate by-law is ahem....policy.   LOL    but who wants to get picky when it comes to controlling the animals eh..... 


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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 6:35:14 PM   
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Then I really have to ask.... actually, no I dont.... hypocrits stick together.. and seem to attract more hypocrits. So it doesnt surprise me that you would applaud a city that has different standards for different political groups.


care to back this bullshit up with a source?




Sure. According to you, the law in Indy is that they have to stand to protest.

Yet....

http://www.theindychannel.com/slideshow/news/23170047/detail.html

The pictures show many of the Tea Party sitting at their rally.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/23165310/detail.html

Now, why would you treat one group one way, and the other group another way... if you are not a hypocrite.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 6:37:31 PM   
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Is that a city law or state wide?


you know that none of that shit is law dontcha?

Its all "public policy" and has been since 1933.

Of course they never told anyone that and they fine you for  violations of public policy in the name of law,  (or so-called law, which technically is corporate by-law).  and of course corporate by-law is ahem....policy.   LOL    but who wants to get picky when it comes to controlling the animals eh..... 




R0, I have no issue with the city making their own public policy in accordance with discrimination laws... and this doesnt qualify.

Having said that, I see no way they can justify their pushing the policy for one group and not the other.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 6:41:29 PM   
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Then I really have to ask.... actually, no I dont.... hypocrits stick together.. and seem to attract more hypocrits. So it doesnt surprise me that you would applaud a city that has different standards for different political groups.


care to back this bullshit up with a source?




Sure. According to you, the law in Indy is that they have to stand to protest.

Yet....

http://www.theindychannel.com/slideshow/news/23170047/detail.html

The pictures show many of the Tea Party sitting at their rally.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/23165310/detail.html

Now, why would you treat one group one way, and the other group another way... if you are not a hypocrite.


Camping is not permitted on public property. Camping will NOT be tolerated at the memorial park. Persons are not allowed in public parks after 11 PM.

Did any of the Tea Party rallies last longer than 6 hours?

Didn't think so... You're full of shit. If the OWS morons wanted to hold a RALLY, they could have sat wherever they wanted... But since they decided to hold a stupid unending vigil, thems the breaks.


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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 6:53:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You said they had to protest standing. Im taking you at your word. If what you say is true, they are not allowed to sit... and they are treating OWS differently than the TP.

I dont recall ever saying they have the right to sleep anywhere over night without a permit.

Indianapolis is handling the Occupy protest magnificently, none of the protesters are allowed to squat on city property... They have to stand to protest.

That is what you said. But, in reality, this is what you are alluding too...

Yesterday the Indianapolis General Assembly in a full consensus agreed to occupy the grounds of the Indiana Statehouse in a show of solidarity with the protesters in Liberty Plaza NYC. Indiana State Police have advised us that anyone sleeping on the grounds of the Statehouse will be immediately arrested and jailed. However, if you remain upright and not horizontal to the ground they will allow us to peacefully occupy their South Lawn area as we see fit. We cannot pitch a tent or anything but they are allowing us food deliveries and other comforts to the site.

As a result of this "Vertical" Occupation the rally previously discussed for Sunday at 12 noon at Veterans Plaza has been moved to the South Lawn of the Indiana Statehouse. All come out to the new Liberty Lawn and join us in our "Vertical" Occupation. Come say hi to some Colts fans who will be walking by on their way to Lucas Oil Stadium.

http://occupyindy.blogspot.com/

So, in actuality, it is not a city wide law.. just one for the Statehouse.

Some good photos on their web site... of people sitting down.



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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 8:56:10 PM   
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"Its all "public policy""

I think something is going to give. If LEOs disperse these crowds, what is the world to think ? You may bicker among yourselves all you like, but there are ramifications not being addressed. Certain people don't like these protests, and it's not hard to figure out who they are.

But beware, they may be your own elderly relatives if any are still living off of interest fed pensions. Luckily there aren't that many are there ? Why is that ? You know goddamn well why, because the bankers stole a shitload of money. How did they do it ? They literally used people's futures as oil for their money machine, I mean literally. They sold welfare recipients houses that I wouldn't have bought in my best day.

How many Ebenezer Scrooges have been out there in real life ? The original buy here pay here deal, way back when. How did they get rich ? Was it because they sold more because they enabled people to buy things that they really coudn't afford ? Then just repossess them and sell them again. One of my jobs was at a rental chain, where you rent refrigerators, couches, and of course TVs. The profit margin is incredible. And just to sweeten the experience for the customer, the stores always had extra boxes so while nobody ever said this shit was new, that was the impression they got.

Krystall means glass. The people were breaking the glass, which was the storefront windows correct ? Was it all of them or were they selective ? There's a good question for you historians. But how is it they got up and did this ? What impelled the German people to rise up and start a bunch of shit, indeed "violence by proxy" ? But it was part of a process that changed the government more than any regular election could. Was it individual store owners who were the enemy ? Probably not, but somehow they were part of the structure, the powers that WERE. The Kaiser which I believe is German for Caesar. The people who started shit into WW1 which made WW2 possible. Did the shopkeeps do this ?

Well maybe they did it "by proxy". If they were well to do, they most likely had some influence on the government there, wouldn't ya think ? How do people make big money in any country ? TAKE CARE OF THE GOVERNMENT ! From an auto manufacturer to a fucking bar owner that is what you do. You want an after hours bar ? You want to stay in business and make maybe a hundred grand a year tax free with almost no work on your part ? Build a bar and forget the liquor license. Find some copos and invite them over and tell them cops and firemen drink for free. Not only will you never get busted, you'll also never get robbed.

The government really does serve, and actually protect. What you do is to become an asset to them, and then you can get away with murder. The problem is that such a system eventually gets to a point where the bigger fish have bought all the politicians, and the only way you get to meet even a city councilman usually is to buy a construction company and get petitioners to rally for a zoning variance. Senators and congessmen are "look but don't touch" for the lower classes.

The cops used to walk a beat. They knew what was going on and could respond. Today you could be getting raped and screaming at the top of your lungs and two heavily armed police officers will cruise right by in an air conditioned car, your screams drowned out by the chatter of the radio telling of some bust somewhere. It's not personal. In fact it almost seems intentionally impersonal, like they KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. Yeah, gimme some fucking blood in the streets, it's about time, and 200 years too late according to Jefferson.

What people are having a hard time figuring out is that this is really a class war. What confuses you is that there are more than just two classes. But when all of our lower classes get squeezed together, some members of these lower classes unite. This results in a bigger class. There is strength in numbers.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 11:35:52 PM   
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Camping will NOT be tolerated at the memorial park.
yea baby, that's the land of the free for ya! your whole country is a fucking joke, its all a fucking lie, it was stolen from you bit by bit, and you're too fucking wrapped up in your left/right paradigm to admit it, or even see it when it is played out right in front of your eyes.

you're a fucking prisoner of your ideology, and that is sad, just fucking sad.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/5/2011 11:55:50 PM   
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Krystall means glass.


No, Glas means glass. Kristall means crystal, or crystal glass. Calling it "Kristallnacht" was sardonic. Even more sardonic was "Reichskristallnacht", which sarcastically referenced Nazi pomposity..

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/6/2011 12:00:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Way to rub it in Hanners. Actually I don't mind because I don't have those illusions anymore.

All people see is the facade. they are taught by the media to not look past the surface of things, and as such have gotten taken for everything they had. Well not quite. When people become of like mind and take to the streets, it is time to take heed. I predict bloodshed. Probably not this year or whatever, but soon enough. Everyone sees it coming, but there are some who choose to ignore it.

If it turned out to be some sort of civil war, it won't happen for at least five years, more than likely nine. But that won't happen unless the status quo remains, and it looks like that is about to fall flat on it's face with no help from anyone. Economies are wrecked all over, not just here. Why is that ? Somewhere, someone either has or is owed a fuck of alot of money. Who is this and why the fuck do we owe him ?

Countries have mutual national debts because it bolsters the number of bonds sold. They're playing marketing on each other ! In the old days one country could go broke and not take half the fucking world with it. Ostensibly the bigger is more stable, it isn't when it is just seen as a bigger pile from which to steal by those who control it. There were some minor moves to start an American union, but luckily they figured out that there are a hell of alot of US citizens who are NOT going to turn in their dollars for ameros.

I have a book on fi r ea rm si le nc er s with detailed drawings. I bet other people do as well. I bet people have gun cabinets full of weapons that would make some people drool. I bet some people have ALOT of things.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/6/2011 12:06:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Calling it "Kristallnacht" was sardonic."

Which brings me then to wonder whether they called it that, or we. You never know. Well at least I don't know.

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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/6/2011 12:12:19 AM   
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"Calling it "Kristallnacht" was sardonic."

Which brings me then to wonder whether they called it that, or we. You never know. Well at least I don't know.

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They did. I think I have a newspaper clipping around here says that. From 33 or whenever. Still had relatives in Berlin then.


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RE: Making the case, FOR violence in OWS - 11/6/2011 12:16:36 AM   
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