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Penn State - 11/7/2011 5:44:31 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Anyone following the Penn State controversy? Im not going to get into specifics... anyone can google it. Simply from a football perspective.. what happens to the school? I dont want to get into the legalities... just the resulting consequences on the team. The man seems to believe they should have to forfeit games and such. Im of the mind that the school shouldnt be penalized because, as of yet, no team members have been implicated.

Again... the issue surrounding Penn State would be considered against TOS. If you havent heard and want to know, please google it but keep the actual details out of the thread, please!

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 5:56:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the institution should be penalized as there is no evidence that it went outside the 2 people involved. I think those 2 people, though, should be strung up by the short and curlies and gently bathed in strong acid for a few months or until their bones dissolve whichever comes last.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 6:00:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		The question that will be asked. What did Joe Paterno know and when did he know it ? If he did know and failed to notify the police, that could be a problem. In my mind the team should not be penalized for something an assistant coach did.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 6:04:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Two stepped down.... but more knew because it had been reported to those two.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 6:05:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		From what I am hearing, he was among one of the first to be notified, he passed that info on to the two who stepped down... and did nothing more.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 6:16:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The two who did the coverup should be jailed, hardcore. Period. And Penn State is now wide open for massive civil litigation in that every victim after the grad assistant reported to Paterno can claim that they wouldn't have been injured had Penn State followed the law and reported the felony-that PSU's negligence and felonious activity(i.e.obfuscating a class A felony) left them open to injury. They are gonna get creamed, and deservedly so. Ambulance chasers across western PA have to be licking their chops.

As for Papa Joe, my understanding is that he took the information he received and, following channels, immediately forwarded it to his superior, who promptly covered it up.
My guess is that they told Joe they were/or had done, investigations and he took them at their word.Which, really, how many folks wouldn't when their boss said the same?
At least I hope so. After a lifetime of being one of the few good guys in college athletics, it would be awful to see this happen at the end
So it sounds like it's not on Joe. He did what he was supposed to, acted in a decent moral fashion, just got let down by a truly sleazy boss.
That said, ugggggghhhhh. Half my clan went to PSU so this kinda hits home hard.
This is the ugliest thing in college athletics (and that's saying a lot.) since Dave Bliss.


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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 6:29:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		A lot of times schools will try to keep things like that "in house" so that there is no outside police involvement.



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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 7:08:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I admit when I saw it on the news I wasn't surprised one teeny tiny bit. I grew up near State College, most of my friends went to college there, I partied at Penn State most weekends as a teenager.

That area is football heaven. If you are not a football player and if you don't celebtrate football as the game of the Gods then basically they look at you as if you've lost your mind. They eat, breathe and live football. Boys are raised from day one to be groomed as football players.

So the thought that nothing was done about this and it was covered up is something that I'm sure is done more often than not. It would tarnish all that is good and holy to them.

I'm just glad that it did finally come out and that hopefully now something will be done and the western PA area will no longer look at these people like revered saints that can do no wrong.



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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 8:08:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

A lot of times schools will try to keep things like that "in house" so that there is no outside police involvement.



In this case, pops, it's a felony. It's not like someone got drunk and crashed his roommate's car or got in a fight at a frat house or stole a shirt from Wal Mart. It's a felony.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 8:26:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds to me that Joe should have done a little more than report this to his boss. He knew it was happening and let it slide. I hope I am wrong.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 9:26:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It sounds to me that Joe should have done a little more than report this to his boss. He knew it was happening and let it slide. I hope I am wrong.

I agree.
Right now I'm giving Joe some benefit of the doubt (With a very jaded eye, I might mention). He's got 50 years in the public eye and he's acted for the most part with high morals. I'm hoping the AD told him something like "We investigated and found nothing, but to be safe we passed the news on to the authorities, if they need to talk to you they will."
Pretty much anything less and Joe is as morally culpable as anyone else. And this is stomach churning stuff.
And yes, I do think he acted to protect the U first, and that in itself suckssuckssucks. No matter what else, he can't dodge that.
My bet is that he "retires" after the season.

Cripes. When are people gonna learn. If PSU had just gone to the cops right outta the gate it would have been a terrible scandal, but the U and the program could have come out of it looking like good guys who did the right thing.
Instead they tried to cover it up, and now it's going to seriously damage the entire university (Not to mention that the AD and vice dean could well be going to prison-as well they should). Fuck folks, when ya screw up, admit it. People are forgiving. But when ya cover it up, then they get pissed and start sharpening axes.



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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 11:17:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sure as hell isn't the way one would like to see Joe end his career.

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RE: Penn State - 11/7/2011 1:45:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I read,Joe followed the "guidelines" as far as reporting it to his supervisor.Given that at this point the "gentleman" in question was no longer actually employed by the athletic department.....Joe fulfilled his legal obligations at this point( moral obligations seem to be lacking here). Now there are two Athletic Department officials who,for not notifying the authorities ,are open to prosecution.
As far as Joe Pa's failing ,in a moral sense,here I think he must be given a pass for this....the man is 90 something years old,he did notify his boss....should he have followed up...probably...but does Joe Pa,at this point in time remember what he had for dinner last nite....it has been my suspicion that he is little more than a figurehead coach there,I'm sure his supporters would disagree with that,but I find it hard to believe he is actually still running a big time college program. This should be the final straw that convinces Joe and the university that it is tie to retire with some or at least with whatever this episode leaves him,dignity left


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RE: Penn State - 11/8/2011 12:01:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		An interesting legal perspective on Paterno's responsibility

"The laws in Pennsylvania regarding mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse can be found in 23 Pa. C.S. 6111-6119. Section 6111 has to do with the responsibility of mandated reporters to report suspected child abuse. Subsection c is quite important, as it has to do with the responsibilities of staff members of institutions. It reads thus: 
(c)  Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person
   is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a
   member of the staff of a medical or other public or private
   institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall
   immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
   school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person
   in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the
   designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and
   have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made
   in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require
   more than one report from any such institution, school, facility
   or agency."

The rest of the article can be found at the address below. It's worth reading.

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/5/2540413/should-joe-paterno-have-done-more-to-protect-children

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RE: Penn State - 11/8/2011 6:32:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aparently, JoePa will be resigning soon as a fallout to this sad event.

All I can say to the perve in question is "Please sir, do the honorable thing and swallow a pistol"

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RE: Penn State - 11/8/2011 7:44:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something tells me many institutions will be changing their rules.

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RE: Penn State - 11/9/2011 1:48:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am shocked and just sick to my stomach!  He worked for the school.
He was caught doing this to a child, at the school!  They told the right person! 
Yes he did follow the chain of command,  but for whatever reason, he possiblity was stopped from
going higher!  

It did not go higher because his two fiends stop it!  This is such a hard thing
for me!  So much so I can not think of him or anyone who was told is innonce, and they should be in  hell! 

It  was cover up for the sake of college football
and the name of a coach whom made history with the most wins in the
in area of college football! 

Now the school is as responsible as he is, no one  gets
to walk away from this!!

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RE: Penn State - 11/9/2011 6:34:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wish. Had waited a day before posting,so much more information has come out.Joe Pa has to go,a broom must be used to sweep out all who knew anything at all about this.Telling Sandusky that he is no longer allowed to bring children to the facilities ? Are you kidding me.that is akin to saying to him"hey we know you are a scum bag...but please do ot at home"
Seems there was more than one incident here,Sandusky was seen by a janitor showering with an 11 year old....he promised no to do so again.WTF!again are you kidding me.They took away his keys to the facilities WTF is wrong with these folks .
Now there are all sorts of apologists who stress that this has nothing to do with big time college football..that it is beyond that....well folks let's remember that it is the institution of big time college football,in this case at Happy Valley,that was being protected here.....not the children.
The similarities to the Catholic Church scandal are sickening,once again we see that institutions will always protect themselves....at the expense of the individual,in theses cases the children.
I am beyond sickened at this story.
Joe Pa can go fuck himself,along with this assistant coach who walks away and calls his daddy.....again wtf you wittness a child being sodomized by a 60 year old man and you walk away....fuck you.

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RE: Penn State - 11/9/2011 6:45:32 AM   
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All I can say to the perve in question is "Please sir, do the honorable thing and swallow a pistol"


+1

i don't know a whole lot about this because i can't really tolerate this kind of news. but i think this is probably the most fitting solution.


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RE: Penn State - 11/9/2011 7:23:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		No,that is not nearly "fitting" enough.Yes Sandusky is the epicenter of this tragic story,but far too many turned a blind eye to what was going on.Far too many buried their heads in the sand while children were being abused....far too many "dropped the ball" so as to protect Penn State football,Joe Pa and the cash cow that is big time college football.
Sandusky has ( if this is all true) a special place in hell reserved for him.....but he doesn't go there alone.

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