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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/11/2011 9:00:02 PM   
BanthaSamantha


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I'm not sure you'll life what I post once I'm done, based on what I've already read. 

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If what you write is reasoned arguments supported by evidence, logic, and mainstream conclusions, I'll enjoy reading what you have to say.

If instead what you write is laced with misconceptions, sensationalism, dishonest arguments, and emotional appeals, I won't.

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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/11/2011 9:02:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'm not sure you'll life what I post once I'm done, based on what I've already read. 


If what you write is reasoned arguments supported by evidence, logic, and mainstream conclusions, I'll enjoy reading what you have to say.

If instead what you write is laced with misconceptions, sensationalism, dishonest arguments, and emotional appeals, I won't.



You don't know me very well, yet, I can tell.

Firm


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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/11/2011 9:33:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		"These two clauses of the Constitution are what give the federal government the authority to enact this regulation."

They do not. If you take that implication then they have unlimited authority. They do not. The only taxes to be colected are for the enforcement of the Constitution, that is it. Read what it says about taxation and you will see that a specific tax on any specific type of goods is unconstitutional. I know it doesn't matter and I know that you are used to it because it has been that way for your entire life. But when you know how it is supposed to be, you know that a whole hell of alot of things should not be. Anything federal that has to do with alcohol, tobacco, firearms, gambling, sex, - all of it, they are not empowered to legislate those things. They had no slice of that pie, if you think they do then they can tax you for bisexuality. They can make the tax too high to pay and then if you engage in bisexuality you go to jail for tax evavion. Think they wouldn't do it if they thought it would make them more money ?

Lucky thing it wouldn't huh !

If you can tax cigarettes you can tax dildoes. If you cna tax water you can tax air. You can fully say that in this country today they consider this shit all nice and legal, but it is not lawful and never was. If a tax can be a penny it can be a dime or a dollar, or any amount at all.

A million dollars to have a Christmas tree, how about that ? This makes that possible. Before it was just sales tax, this is technically an excise tax. You are all for this ?

T^T


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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/11/2011 9:40:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"These two clauses of the Constitution are what give the federal government the authority to enact this regulation."

They do not. If you take that implication then they have unlimited authority. They do not. The only taes to be colected are for the enforcement of the Constitution, that is it. Read what it says about taxation and you will see that a specific tax on any specific type of godds is unconstitutional. I know it doesn't matter and I know that you are used to it because it has been that way for your entire life. But when you know how it is supposed to be, you know that a whole hell of alot of things should not be. Anything federal that has to do with alcohol, tobacco, firearms, gambling, sex, - all of it, they are not empowered to legislate those things. They had no slice of that pie, if you think they do then they can tax you for bisexuality. They can make the tax too high to pay and then if you engage in bisexuality you go to jail for tax evavion. Think they wouldn't do it if they thought it would make them more money ?

Lucky thing it wouldn't huh !

If you can tax cigarettes you can tax dildoes. If you cna tax water you can tax air. You can fully say that in this country today they consider this shit all nice and legal, but it is not lawful and never was. If a tax can be a penny it can be a dime or a dollar, or any amount at all.

A million dollars to have a Christmas tree, how about that ? This makes that possible. Before it was just sales tax, this is technically an excise tax. You are all for this ?

T^T

T^T


All of your hyperbole aside, the position you are advocating runs against the learned opinion of every Supreme Court of the past 200 years. Your unique interpretation of the Constitution is radical and does not hew closely to any classic or contemporary mainstream thought. As such, your novel interpretation is the heart of our disagreement.

As I don't feel I could convince you to take a more reasoned or widely-accepted approach to the Constitution, our conversation is at an end. I'll take solace in the fact that my interpretation of the Constitution has the backing of both mainstream thought as well as many previous Supreme Courts.

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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/12/2011 9:34:34 AM   
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The tree tax is being put off! YAY!


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/obama-administration-to-delay-new-15-cent-christmas-tree-fee/


And what happened, then? Well, in Whoville they say - that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day. And then - the true meaning of Christmas came through, and the Grinch found the strength of *ten* Grinches, plus two!



Oh, thank God.

I thought I was going to have to apply for food stamps so I could save up that 15 cents.

And thank God for Sanity for keeping us informed of these life-impacting issues.

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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/13/2011 10:21:49 AM   
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If what you write is reasoned arguments supported by evidence, logic, and mainstream conclusions, I'll enjoy reading what you have to say.

If instead what you write is laced with misconceptions, sensationalism, dishonest arguments, and emotional appeals, I won't.


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You don't know me very well, yet, I can tell.

Firm


I and many others know you and we are quite aware of which of the above applies to you.



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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/13/2011 12:36:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		A government agency interfering where they shouldn't be to justify their own existence.
I can't wait to see the pictures of Oblunder dressed up as the grinch!


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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/13/2011 2:45:44 PM   
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A government agency interfering where they shouldn't be to justify their own existence.



The Department of Agriculture has no business regulating an agricultural matter that Congress specifically gave them authority to regulate?

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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/13/2011 3:00:57 PM   
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A government agency interfering where they shouldn't be to justify their own existence.


Agriculture has no business taxing trees?

So-called "generic" advertising programs such as "Got Milk?" and "Ahh, the power of cheese" are funded, in part, through the congressionally authorized dairy checkoff, which places a mandatory assessment of 15 cents per hundredweight (roughly two cents per gallon) on all milk domestically produced and marketed commercially. Last year, the dairy checkoff raked in more than $250 million in hard-earned dairy producer money.




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RE: Obamas New 'Christma Tree Tax' - 11/14/2011 9:49:11 AM   
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A government agency interfering where they shouldn't be to justify their own existence.
I can't wait to see the pictures of Oblunder dressed up as the grinch!


I grows sevrel inches
When they dress up as grinches
Ahm Popeye the Saylah Man



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