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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 12:16:44 PM   
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Try as I might, I don't think they did illegal.  Still, I wouldn't want to live next door to those people, know what I mean?

My comment that the horse was a former family pet came from my contacts in local animal control.  I am pretty outraged that someone would send a family pet away with a stranger, without checking and double checking the home.  One of my horses is about the same age, I just can't imagine sending him off to such a fate.  For whatever reason, and I can't explain what it is, I feel differently about horses than I do most other animals.  I raise other animals for food, so I have eaten lots of animals I knew, and I also hunt.  While it may be just an unreasonable emotional reaction, the thought of eating a horse repulses me.

On the other hand, I would support the reopening of horse slaughterhouses in this country.  They were banned a few years ago, and the result has been that unwanted horses have been starved, neglected and abandoned, since they are expensive to maintain and there is no easy, cheap way to get rid of them.  I think humanely slaughtering them is far better than some of the cruelty cases I have seen in the last few years. 




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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 12:16:51 PM   
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So if someone were to serve me squirrel (cooked properly, I assume), I wouldn't care. But I couldn't lure the squirrel to my windowsill with treats to kill it, skin it and cook it up.

hehehe you should come to dinner sometime ... I just got some squirrels and we are having them for dinner ... yes ma'am properly cooked



Ok, what is "properly" to you? Just because there are some cooking methods I don't find enjoyable. Of course, if you deep fry it and put cheese on it, just about anything is going to be good!

If you ain't cross or wall eyed under them glasses, though, you are yummy enough for dinner.

ETA: Ok, that was a statement unlike me, lol. By the way, you are in WV, do you serve some homegrown white lightening with that squirrel?

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 12:19:07 PM   
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They were re enacting a scene from Star Wars.  That's why.  Oh, and she wanted to "be one" with the horse.  Not sure why the link didn't work.
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I couldn't get your link to work but I googled it and found a story of a pet horse named Snap that was killed and had parts removed but that story indicated that he had not been given away but was actually still their pet.  Sad.

I know we here in the USA find the idea of eating horse repugnant but it is quite common in other places.

Referring to your story, did it say why they crawled inside the horse or why they speculate they crawled inside?



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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 12:21:58 PM   
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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 12:50:21 PM   
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The link didn't work for me either because it puts in an extra "http://".

Try this one instead:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/11/jasha_lottin_portland_nudist_b.php

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 1:09:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Try as I might, I don't think they did illegal.  Still, I wouldn't want to live next door to those people, know what I mean?

My comment that the horse was a former family pet came from my contacts in local animal control.  I am pretty outraged that someone would send a family pet away with a stranger, without checking and double checking the home.  One of my horses is about the same age, I just can't imagine sending him off to such a fate.  For whatever reason, and I can't explain what it is, I feel differently about horses than I do most other animals.  I raise other animals for food, so I have eaten lots of animals I knew, and I also hunt.  While it may be just an unreasonable emotional reaction, the thought of eating a horse repulses me.

On the other hand, I would support the reopening of horse slaughterhouses in this country.  They were banned a few years ago, and the result has been that unwanted horses have been starved, neglected and abandoned, since they are expensive to maintain and there is no easy, cheap way to get rid of them.  I think humanely slaughtering them is far better than some of the cruelty cases I have seen in the last few years. 



Did your contacts animal control indicate these people had any animal issues before this? Did your contacts indicate that the couple told the previous owners what they had planned?

I don't care how much of a pet lover you are, you aren't entitled to private information from people to adopt a pet. You get what the people tell you, you take what they say and listen to it. You check references (which are easily faked).

For Christ's sake, I don't care how much you love horses, dogs, cats or whatever, it is an animal. As someone who talked about how PETA looking for "human" rights for a whale was inappropriate, you are a bit contradictory in your expectations of animal adoption.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 2:00:30 PM   
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the pictures weren't all that fucking bad, she has a nice ass and the shot of her from behind covered in blood is pretty fucking hot. but they probably weren't the best fucking idea in the final analysis. what the fuck, people are fucking sick, hell we're all fucking sick.

anyway i agree that its somehow wrong, but, like the fucking deputies in the story, i can't for the life of me find an actual viable reason why it is. so i'm just going to have to put it down to sick fuckers who are sicker than me. then again they probably think the same thing about us and the shit we do.

also, as an aside, it doesn't say the horse was a pet anywhere in the story, only that it was 32, dying, and scheduled to be knackered anyway. and the sickos did that humanely, so all the "beloved pet" stuff is just fucking speculation, and misplaced as well, they sold it to somebody who put it down humanely. what the fuck more do you want out of the previous owners?



How did you get to be so smart at such a young age?

Aside from perceiving a human body (even a young, curvaceous female) covered in blood as hot, I'm in complete alignment with you on this.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 2:15:52 PM   
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My expectation of pet owners are high, however.  You simply don't send an animal into a home that you have not thoroughly checked out.  To do otherwise is completely irresponsible.  The fact is, the family that gave these people this horse were trying to get it off their hands, rather than deal with it humanely and as it deserved.  Fuck them.  I have bred dogs, for example, over the years, and I would not dream of placing a puppy in a home where I did not have a contract requiring the dog be returned to me, rather than being placed somewhere without my approval, I require and check references, do home checks, and I will take back anything I have bred for as long as he or she  lives.   I most certainly am entitled to people's private information if I am entrusting an animal to them.  Anything less is completely irresponsible.  The people who gave these losers that poor horse were assholes. 

By the way, I have never written a post that talked about "human" rights for whales.  The issue was legal rights.  Two different things.  While I don't believe in so called "animal rights" I do believe in the humane, respectful and caring treatment of animals. 
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Try as I might, I don't think they did illegal.  Still, I wouldn't want to live next door to those people, know what I mean?

My comment that the horse was a former family pet came from my contacts in local animal control.  I am pretty outraged that someone would send a family pet away with a stranger, without checking and double checking the home.  One of my horses is about the same age, I just can't imagine sending him off to such a fate.  For whatever reason, and I can't explain what it is, I feel differently about horses than I do most other animals.  I raise other animals for food, so I have eaten lots of animals I knew, and I also hunt.  While it may be just an unreasonable emotional reaction, the thought of eating a horse repulses me.

On the other hand, I would support the reopening of horse slaughterhouses in this country.  They were banned a few years ago, and the result has been that unwanted horses have been starved, neglected and abandoned, since they are expensive to maintain and there is no easy, cheap way to get rid of them.  I think humanely slaughtering them is far better than some of the cruelty cases I have seen in the last few years. 



Did your contacts animal control indicate these people had any animal issues before this? Did your contacts indicate that the couple told the previous owners what they had planned?

I don't care how much of a pet lover you are, you aren't entitled to private information from people to adopt a pet. You get what the people tell you, you take what they say and listen to it. You check references (which are easily faked).

For Christ's sake, I don't care how much you love horses, dogs, cats or whatever, it is an animal. As someone who talked about how PETA looking for "human" rights for a whale was inappropriate, you are a bit contradictory in your expectations of animal adoption.


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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 2:26:35 PM   
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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 3:10:07 PM   
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Can't say as I've ever made deep fried squirrel with cheese ...  but I have pan fried it, broiled it, boiled it, baked it too
Bar B Q'ed it up and had it in a stew

hehehe

Tonight's offering has the finest fat WVian squirrel marinated over night in a special secret blend of herbs and spices.  Baked over a roasting pan of brown rice with chestnuts and onions from my yard.  Garden salad, pickled beets, some chunky apple stuff I make, it's kind of like pie filling but not as sweet and paw paws.  I'm having some homemade ginger ale but we also have some home brew and some blackberry wine. 

Thank you ever so much for the flattery.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 5:14:59 PM   
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Can't say as I've ever made deep fried squirrel with cheese ...  but I have pan fried it, broiled it, boiled it, baked it too
Bar B Q'ed it up and had it in a stew

hehehe

Tonight's offering has the finest fat WVian squirrel marinated over night in a special secret blend of herbs and spices.  Baked over a roasting pan of brown rice with chestnuts and onions from my yard.  Garden salad, pickled beets, some chunky apple stuff I make, it's kind of like pie filling but not as sweet and paw paws.  I'm having some homemade ginger ale but we also have some home brew and some blackberry wine. 

Thank you ever so much for the flattery.


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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 6:20:04 PM   
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One thing to say.  If she thinks she's going to get a modelling career outta this, well, methinks it's not gonna happen.  

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 6:46:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

My expectation of pet owners are high, however.  You simply don't send an animal into a home that you have not thoroughly checked out.  To do otherwise is completely irresponsible.  The fact is, the family that gave these people this horse were trying to get it off their hands, rather than deal with it humanely and as it deserved.  Fuck them.  I have bred dogs, for example, over the years, and I would not dream of placing a puppy in a home where I did not have a contract requiring the dog be returned to me, rather than being placed somewhere without my approval, I require and check references, do home checks, and I will take back anything I have bred for as long as he or she  lives.   I most certainly am entitled to people's private information if I am entrusting an animal to them.  Anything less is completely irresponsible.  The people who gave these losers that poor horse were assholes. 

By the way, I have never written a post that talked about "human" rights for whales.  The issue was legal rights.  Two different things.  While I don't believe in so called "animal rights" I do believe in the humane, respectful and caring treatment of animals. 


First, admittedly, I knew "human rights" wasn't the term I wanted, but was really not, at the moment, up to taking the time to let my mind find the term I wanted.

So now I'm going to tell you a story. There was a local woman who was charged with neglect of her animals. I knew her personally. The dogs were taken away and part of the plea agreement was that she could only have one dog. The neglect was caused by her having too many animals and not being able to care for them properly.

The organization that has control of the animals up for adoption were called Eleventh Hour Rescue. I do not know if they are national or not. They are an extremely well respected organization and take, I'm sure, more care than you when placing animals because they are dealing with harder to place dogs. Dogs with health issues, social issues and past abuse issues. They are a 100% no kill organization.

This woman had a friend who could not be traced to her apply to adopt the animal. He was thoroughly checked out and approved after all the references checked out. This was ALL done with the intent that he would turn the dog back over to this woman. They too, had a contract indicating the animal could and would be returned to them. Can't return shit when you can't find it and I'm sure you realize that a charitable organization isn't going to pursue it legally due to costs and the fact that it doesn't result in the return of the dog.

I found out what she was doing and I am the one who talked to the prosecutor, local animal control and ASPCA. I was in court when this was done to appear as a witness. I am fairly close with our local animal control guy, one of the Eleventh Hour Volunteers, both who were also present. She denied havin the dog, and an investigation showed the dog was not currently at her house. The appearance was adjourned until a later date. She moved to PA, and never returned to court. For the first appearance , the dog was with the other person, so it would certainly appear that nothing was wrong. Without pictures, you aren't proving they were friends, and he was not local to the area.

So there is still an existing warrant for her arrest and the local animal control looks for her regularly, but you know what? There is nothing anyone can do, and no one did anything wrong.

So while doing a "home inspection" for a horse is certainly going to yield some results as to their ability to care for the horse (such as being able to house the animal), not so with dogs.

And while you are obviously very angry, you know there is only so much private information you are entitled to. Granted anyone not wanting to play by your rules is free to get their puppy somewhere else, but that isn't difficult, even through reputable breeders.

And by the way, unless you were breeding championship show dogs (and maybe you were), you would be considerate by the AKC as a "backyard breeder" or even a "puppy mills" and almost worse than the people with the horse. I'm sure you know that as well.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 6:47:54 PM   
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Can't say as I've ever made deep fried squirrel with cheese ...  but I have pan fried it, broiled it, boiled it, baked it too
Bar B Q'ed it up and had it in a stew

hehehe

Tonight's offering has the finest fat WVian squirrel marinated over night in a special secret blend of herbs and spices.  Baked over a roasting pan of brown rice with chestnuts and onions from my yard.  Garden salad, pickled beets, some chunky apple stuff I make, it's kind of like pie filling but not as sweet and paw paws.  I'm having some homemade ginger ale but we also have some home brew and some blackberry wine. 

Thank you ever so much for the flattery.



Damn. Just something about a guy who can cook.....

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 10:29:35 PM   
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pomegranate ... Don't know whether that's an excellent idea for improving pomegranate or a terrible way to abuse beer.  I am hoping to have bees next year and of course I plan to make mead. 

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/11/2011 10:33:18 PM   
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Really?  I am not saying you are incorrect but I would think a stunt like this would grab someone's attention, especially with all the free media coverage.  It's not like we are a squeamish society ... I could see her doing the Hottest Zombies 2012 Calendar or some such.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/12/2011 1:32:31 AM   
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~FR~ did anyone else notice in the pics IShtarr linked to: both her and the guy, arms spattered with blood..and wearing rubber gloves??

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/12/2011 7:13:34 AM   
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I don't see anything inhumane about what they did.

I think people are placing the thought of it being their own animal in that ones place. It was due to be killed anyhow, congrats to the sellers for getting back a little for it at the end.

I agree with one of the posters about the ass shot, that is so fucking hot I can't describe it.

It isn't my cup of tea, that thought of crawling around in a carcass. However, to me, it's no more bizzare than what I've seen posted on the boards over the years.

Maybe people should just stick to shitting and pissing on religious icons. That doesn't seem to warrant as much outrage. Either way, all participants are dead.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/12/2011 2:04:34 PM   
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People eat cows all the time, what makes a horse any different?

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/12/2011 3:30:39 PM   
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~FR~ did anyone else notice in the pics IShtarr linked to: both her and the guy, arms spattered with blood..and wearing rubber gloves??


I hadn't consciously notice, but went back and looked. Wonder why that was?

What I did notice when looking at the pictures again, was the last one was NOT of the horse, but a much smaller animal and it appeared there was more of something in the big black garbage bag next to her. Funny how the article and no one mentions what animal that was....

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