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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/12/2011 8:00:14 PM

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People eat cows all the time, what makes a horse any different?

Actually we don't. Not all people eat cows or meat for that matter. This bitch was a desperate skank that could only get noticed by puling a reprehensible stunt since she had no other way for publicity. Fuck her. I feel like crawling around in some aborted fetuses. Why not they are going to be terminated anyway. Let's make some baby puppets!

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/13/2011 7:59:06 PM

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A Portland woman and her friend got someone in my county to give them a horse, an old family pet. Instead of taking care of the animal, as they allegedly promised, they shot it, crawled inside it (yep, she was channeling Luke Skywalker) and eventually ate it. It wasn't cruel, it wasn't illegal, but, and I can't explain why, it certainly skeezes me out. The people I think are most disgusting? The family that would give some stranger their old family pet without checking to make sure the animal was going to a good home. Fuckers. Here is a link discussing the story, which has attracted a lot of attention, naturally. My advice? Don't look at the pictures. Just don't.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/11/jasha_lottin_portland_nudist_b.php

Didn't look at the blog/photos/read it.....just read about 5 comments. Not one to typically dive in without the facts but....I'm also not one that can look at that kind of stuff......not altogether good at that kind of thing...if it's what I anticipate it is.

The byline (above) is enough to make me hurl.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/13/2011 9:50:44 PM

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This is the test. If you are going to ask for tolerance, let's see how good you are at giving it.

I don't like it, to put it mildly. Given the circumstances, though, I would probably tolerate it, by which I mean not forcibly put a stop to it. Not having read the article, it seems from the descriptions here that the horse was put down humanely, that it would have been killed regardless of whether or not this activity was undertaken, and that its meat was harvested and thus substituted for meat from the stores. With that information only, and applying assumption of innocence until proof of guilt to any of the details that could change the picture, it appears to be victimless apart from the potential concern of how the corpse is treated. That makes for something my intellect is not finding more fault with than the status quo in the west. My gut feeling about it is less benign, and I can't say for sure which would prevail if it were occuring in my sphere of influence, hence "probably tolerate".

As an important point in that regard, animals and kids sort in the same category for me, so I'm inclined to deem myself fairly generous in the evaluation above. The case straddles a grey area between where it's benign to be tolerant (i.e. when consent is present or the activity is victimless) and where it's not (in my view). Point of order being that I'm not tolerant of the practices in much of the livestock industry, either, so it's a fairly consistent assessment.

If that sorts as intolerant, I'm going to be fine with that.

The test, however, for most people, will be with humans. I don't make the same species distinction. Cases like Meiwes et al are, in my opinion, far more suitable as a test of benign tolerance, as those involve consenting humans, and are thus a lot more applicable to WIITWD. This case, on the other hand, has to do with corpses that cannot consent, which kind of muddies the waters at best.

Ergo, not a very good test, just a difficult one.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/13/2011 9:59:28 PM

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Whatever happened to not giving a fuck what other people do so long as it isn't illegal?

What does law have to do with it?

Sitting in the wrong end of the bus relative to your skin color used to be illegal in the U.S. Fucking someone up the ass is still illegal in many parts of the world, and being gay is essentially a capital offense in some. Two women marrying here, where I live, is business as usual. Three is illegal. Are you going to argue that racism was only worth caring about after it was outlawed, or that we shouldn't be upset that kids are getting killed when people report them as gay?

Hell, most of the stuff done by people on this site is illegal somewhere, and a lot of it used to be illegal "everywhere".

I fail to see how legality even enters into it.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/13/2011 10:08:55 PM

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in this case, i still want it to be wrong, but it isn't. i simply cannot find a valid reason for it to be, other than that it pisses me the fuck off, but that isn't enough.

My sentiments, largely.

That said, it is enough, unless you subscribe to the notion that there is an objective standard of right and wrong, external to humans as a whole, which would be incongruent with earlier statements on atheism, seeing as that must necessarily be confined to the notion that morality is created by humans, that the concept is only in your head. Nietzsche alluded to it: that which pisses on what I consider good, is bad in itself, for I am the creator of my values.

In this case, there's an intriguing dissonance between the intellectual and the emotional.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/13/2011 10:26:23 PM

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How did you get to be so smart at such a young age?

What does age have to do with being smart?

At least three of the top ten smartest posters I've seen on this board are young.

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Aside from perceiving a human body (even a young, curvaceous female) covered in blood as hot, I'm in complete alignment with you on this.

Does this mean Monika Malacova doesn't do it for you?

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/14/2011 1:54:15 PM

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from the potential concern of how the corpse is treated.

Essentially, how we treat the corpse of an animal is not regarded the same as how we treat a human corpse. I'm honestly not sure how I feel about that. That "treatment" excludes our consumption of animals as food, and is only talking about someone's desire to crawl inside a corpse.

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What does law have to do with it?

Sitting in the wrong end of the bus relative to your skin color used to be illegal in the U.S. Fucking someone up the ass is still illegal in many parts of the world, and being gay is essentially a capital offense in some. Two women marrying here, where I live, is business as usual. Three is illegal. Are you going to argue that racism was only worth caring about after it was outlawed, or that we shouldn't be upset that kids are getting killed when people report them as gay?

Hell, most of the stuff done by people on this site is illegal somewhere, and a lot of it used to be illegal "everywhere".

I fail to see how legality even enters into it.

It would seem that many equate "tolerance" with legality, which like you, I do not agree with. I believe that far too often in this society, people take the "not my business/concern" to the activities of others. Those same people, ironically, tend to be very involved in the OWS movement and such, so apparently, what others do IS of concern. I do realize the counter argument to that is that the other side in OWS is "taking" from them, but in reality, they aren't, are they?

There are things that are wrong, and to sit back and say "it isn't illegal" as a reason for not speaking up seems silly. It isn't illegal to starve oneself to death, but most people will step in if people they care about try to do that, won't they?

Brings to mind the Penn State issue in a way. People say how Paterno reported to his superiors, that should be enough. I always think, "if it were your child, would that have been enough?" Easy to stand on the sidelines when you think it doesn't directly involve you.

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Nietzsche alluded to it: that which pisses on what I consider good, is bad in itself, for I am the creator of my values.

I'm really not a fan of Nietzsche, never have. But this statement does sum it up quite nicely.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/14/2011 1:57:33 PM

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People eat cows all the time, what makes a horse any different?

Actually we don't. Not all people eat cows or meat for that matter. This bitch was a desperate skank that could only get noticed by puling a reprehensible stunt since she had no other way for publicity. Fuck her. I feel like crawling around in some aborted fetuses. Why not they are going to be terminated anyway. Let's make some baby puppets!

Actually, the majority of people in the western world DO eat meat. And you are well aware of that.

I agree she was a "desperate skank" who wants a modeling career and figured doing something so controversial would get her noticed. It is NOT, however, remotely close to being the same as making "baby puppets." And for the record, the statement of crawling around in aborted fetuses because they are going to be terminated anyway, is logically ridiculous. Prior to termination, they are still residing in the woman, so one could not "crawl around in them."

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/15/2011 6:52:32 AM

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Beakless chickens, cows with udders down in the mud with the pigs, what is done to animals is cruel. That's a fact of life. They are slaughtered for our food. Tough shit. When they come up with a way to eat us for food, then that will be our problem. We should not cause any unnecessary cruelty to animals or anything, but we do.

The fact is if you really cared about animal cruelty you would only buy meat from certain sources, certified to not do nasty shit or something, and costing much more. You got extra money do so, and send me some so I can also do so.

It's doesn't always cost a lot more. I look for sales, stock up, and freeze. I get eggs from a local farmer - they're not certified organic, but are organic and free range, only $2.50/dozen, and the yolks are almost orange and shells hard.

I haven't been impressed with prices at farmer's markets, but farm stand prices around me are great.

I make up for the higher cost of humanely raised meat in many ways - I rarely eat out, I don't buy soda or processed foods, I buy grains and beans in bulk or when they are on sale. The only time I go to Starbucks is when I'm meeting someone from CM ;)

I cook from scratch - the "value added" in processed foods raises the price incredibly. (Not to mention that I wish to avoid the additives, preservatives, artificial flavors and colors.)

Michael Pollen was a big influence on these decisions. "The Omnivores Dilemma" is available in all the library systems I've used and many of his articles are available online. Here's one of my favorites: http://michaelpollan.com/articles-archive/power-steer/

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/15/2011 8:30:50 PM

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If the horse was ggoing to die any way, and they killed it humanely. I don't really have a problem with this. IT's tacky and gross, but I am not outraged.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/15/2011 9:33:04 PM

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Tacky, repulsive, gross - the list of adjectives could go on forever.

Inhumane? No. The article made certain to mention that the police investigated. I'm not interested in eating horse, but it has been a traditional food for many people. Hell, in Asia some people eat puppies - that's far worse in my book.

They didn't torture the animal. They put a bullet through it's head. What they did with the carcass, well didn't Lady Gaga show up to some function with a dress made out of meat? The only real difference is a matter of scale.

I will not be inviting that couple to a dinner party any time soon though.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/15/2011 9:50:39 PM

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People eat cows all the time, what makes a horse any different?

I can see eating it, why not? But crawling inside of it it kinda Silence of the Lambs if you ask me, you gotta admit that's a bit mental.

That's what pony play is for fer Chrissake.

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/15/2011 11:22:24 PM

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Also, as much as I dislike PETA, it is people like this crazy couple that you want to send them after.

yep send the wackos after them, that'll straighten em out!

hilarious thread

If I were the el-prazzi dante I would pass a law that every person alive has one cop to assigned to every one of them insure they are "normal". LMAO

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RE: It may not be illegal, but it is certainly disturbing - 11/15/2011 11:25:47 PM

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in this case, i still want it to be wrong, but it isn't. i simply cannot find a valid reason for it to be, other than that it pisses me the fuck off, but that isn't enough.

My sentiments, largely.

That said, it is enough, unless you subscribe to the notion that there is an objective standard of right and wrong, external to humans as a whole, which would be incongruent with earlier statements on atheism, seeing as that must necessarily be confined to the notion that morality is created by humans, that the concept is only in your head. Nietzsche alluded to it: that which pisses on what I consider good, is bad in itself, for I am the creator of my values.

In this case, there's an intriguing dissonance between the intellectual and the emotional.

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in law, bad = personal or equitable injury.

pretty much the rest is all bullshit abstractions.

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