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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 7:13:11 PM   
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Hahah , that was how my cocker spaniel was. But bones, while he'll fetch ball and likes to, he has to see where it went or he won't chase it. and you can't lob it because apparently the farther out it goes the sooner he looses site of it. if he doesn't see where it went, he won't chase it.
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Regarding exercise. You don't need a lot of stamina. All you need is a tennis ball and a good arm. (over and over and over and over and over)




No worries there, dip it in beef broth. He will sniff it out.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 7:23:17 PM   
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He's 6. My neighbor thinks he's more like 8-10 cause his face is grizzled, but the records say 6. I'm just learning his habits right now and and I don't wanna wait to long. I am an overly anxious new "mommy"

Well I suppose you could think of the kennel cage as a crate, but they were bigger, he had room to move around and jump up and down and act like a fool lol. I'm not sure if he'd not get into things when he gets more used to this house, and I have things better picked up, his arrival was a surprise, so things are still left out and stuff, but no I will not be leaving him alone when I go out. I was worried a little bit about what to do when I go out, so we'll try to get a crate and crate train him.

I'll be training him about sit, stay leave it, come, lay down, NO, good boy, basic things he needs to know. And then once we get that down, then maybe tricks. I have a book coming from the library about living with deaf dogs, and I am on a deaf dog website. There's collars for deaf dogs that you can make vibrate, I am thinking depending on how much they cost to get one of those, to help with getting his attention sometimes if we're out in the yard playing, or something.

No, bones is most certainly not an out on the pool, or other PT or exercise, he's an enhancement.

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Twenty minutes for a Golden Retriever? How old is he? Because really, that is too frequent and he will want to always go out at those intervals. You want him to learn to do his business just 3-4 times a DAY. Waking up, after breakfast, after dinner and before bed. He is a large enough breed to hold it.

You also should be crating him when you are out, especially since he gets into things when you are there. Further he is used to be crated (much better term than cage, don't ya think?) so this will assist him in adjusting. Most crate trained dogs look at their crates as *their* space. They will often spend time in there even when not required. It should be just big enough for him to stand up and turn around. It will discourage him from messing in the crate because most times they don't want to lie in it so they will hold it in.

He's deaf so what types of hand signals are you going to use to train him? Not a bad idea to get yourself a book on American Sign Language and teach him signs that represent the tasks in ASL. Don't forget that while he can't hear, he CAN feel vibrations. You can use vibrations in two ways, just like you would your voice. Find something that you can make vibrations on the floor with. Not like walking, more like the bass on a stereo. It will get his attention to look up, so you can sign to him what command you want to give. You can also find some other type of vibration that can represent your "Good Boy!" voice by action, something more than just the happy face an rub a dub stroking of his coat. Something you use with this that will represent your voice, so even if you aren't doing the happy good boy face, or the rub a dub stroke, he knows you are happy with him. Hysterically, (blushes save me from myself!) the only "gadget" I can come up with is like a vibrating egg or a little bullet! They are the right size, have the right vibration for the task!

Don't forget that just because you have Bones now, you get a buy on going to the gym pool. Schedule your day so you fit both in. The beauty of this is Bones is going to help you lose that apathy about your life and through you he will learn to use his "voice"

I think it is wonderful Congratulations. Let me know how it goes.




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ecause really, that is too frequent and he will want to always go out at those intervals. You want him to learn to do his business just 3-4 times


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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 7:32:28 PM   
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Ohhhhhhhh!!!! I thought he was a PUPPY!! Is he house broken?

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 7:41:28 PM   
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No, not a puppy 6. I don't know if he's house broken, I assume he is. But I am an over anxious and nervouse " new mommy" I don't wanna miss some cue and make him pee in here or shit in here.
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Ohhhhhhhh!!!! I thought he was a PUPPY!! Is he house broken?



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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 7:42:25 PM   
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That leash is a good idea when learning if your dog is house trained or not. Just watch him carefully. You'll soon learn his cues.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 8:01:38 PM   
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YAY! We had a ppee pee alert sucess! He was sleeeping, and he ggot up and came over to me and I said you wannaa go out? lets see. so I took him out and hhe had himself a nice little pee!

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 8:14:32 PM   
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hahah he has the right idea! I put down a huge comfy doggy bed for him, and he got on the bed to snooze instead. I actually do not mind him on my bed I intended for him to be welcome on it anyway.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 9:13:02 PM   
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He's really tall, typical of a golden so when he sits at the table and watches me eat he's tall enough to steal food if he wanted. So one thing I am obviously going to have to teach him is some sitting a distance away manners and not to hover over the table.


I was getting eggs out of a pan, and I had food on the table and I saw him making a move like he just miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight take what was on the table, I corrected him right away. So I know food temptation is there, and he loves watching people eat in hopes you're gonna offer a bite. His file said he is very treat motivated.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 9:56:14 PM   
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We had a great dane for a short time and she was deaf. Someone we knew couldn't keep her (MF idiot) and we couldn't either (MF renting a half house in the city at the time) so we gave him to a buddy o mine who also turned out to be a MF asshole. He was on acreage out in the outer burbs, had seven acres I think.

Well I must WARN you of something. A deaf dog cannot hear you call and also cannot hear a car on the road. This one got run over about a week after we gave her to the asshole. Well, I guess he wasn't all that bad, but there was no fence. You need either a fence of a leash because until they know the boundaries, it simply doesn't matter that they are obedient. They cannot obey what they cannot hear or otherwise percieve.

I've only known a few, but the deaf animals I've known have been exceptionally well behaved. The great dane we had was great, fully grown, with cats. We had this kitten and it would bat her about the face, and then she would lick it and the kitten would go rolling over off a chair. I mean the dog is on the floor and the kitten was on a kitchen chair, and that big ass tongue came out and send lil Uggy tumbling. He came back for more right away of course. This wasn't just cute it was f**king hilarious !

Keep a good eye on that dog and of course, get your sign language figured out. You know the best of the best dog trainers use sign language extensively. The inability to use verbal commands is not the end of the world. And what I said about smacking a dog sometimes,,,, I don't think you'll have to with this one.

BTW, just out of curiousity, does that dog have one green eye and one blue ?

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 10:06:28 PM   
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Nope, 2 brown ones. And yup they our yard is securely fenced.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 10:32:23 PM   
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That dog needs visual cues. You will have to learn to give them. You have taken on that responsibility, that means you can't yell STOP when the dog is running towards a busy street and have it do any good. The dog will naturally watch you. It might learn to read lips a bit but you will command the dog with your eyes and hands. That is the only way..

You speak of normal commands like sit and all that, how are you going to tell a deaf dog to do that ?

Establish the most basic things first. You need a hand command for sit. Just start with that. You can pick a hand which makes it easier, or you can use both. You should start with one command first though, as it is easier and what is easier is safer for the dog. This is going to be as bad as having a damn kid, believe me.

Also remember that where this dog sleeps should not be where it will get stepped on etc., and at no time should it be in total darkness in the house.

Something just occurred to me. My buddy Morris was raised by deaf Parents. His Mother had a "hearing ear dog" that would respond like when someone came to the door. Well you have in a way become this dog's hearing ear human.

Is this what cat owners feel like maybe ?

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 10:55:48 PM   
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YAY!! good for you, tftb!!

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 11:13:12 PM   
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Congratulations and a great move. Take note of how Bones stood and put his head on your lap. Dogs do this to people they trust. Thank you for sharing. I find much of what you post touching or endearing in some way and admire your decision to foster Bones.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/17/2011 11:19:34 PM   
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How great, I'm sure that you and Bones will really enhance each other's lives.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/18/2011 4:48:29 AM   
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Grrrr he's so rowdy at night, like 3-4 am 4-5 timea night. If he don't settle down in a few days, cause I'm patient I understand the joy of a room and a bed is new after so long in a kennel, and stop waking me and daddy up 4-5 times an hour, I'm going to have to crate him. Or sedate myself lol. Right now he's decided my legs and lap will make a good sleeping spot, and I can't really tell him otherwise yet lol: it's endearing to much:P

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/18/2011 4:51:10 AM   
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Termy, you teach them through asl, or signals.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/18/2011 4:59:01 AM   
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And what does sacking out on a person in bed and refusing to move mean?
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Congratulations and a great move. Take note of how Bones stood and put his head on your lap. Dogs do this to people they trust. Thank you for sharing. I find much of what you post touching or endearing in some way and admire your decision to foster Bones.


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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/18/2011 8:32:57 AM   
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"And what does sacking out on a person in bed and refusing to move mean? "

Dey wuvs you much to pieces !

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/18/2011 9:01:17 AM   
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He's 6.


My mother's Australian Sheep dog mix and my Husky could hold it for 12 hours if necessary (they don't like to go out in the rain) so 20-30 minutes is way more frequent than necessary. Sounds like he tells you when he needs to go, which is wonderful!

Mom's dog has behavioral issues if she doesn't get enough exercise including slipping the leash and taking herself for a walk.

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RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES* a deaf dog&* IS... - 11/18/2011 9:05:20 AM   
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No, not a puppy 6. I don't know if he's house broken, I assume he is. But I am an over anxious and nervouse " new mommy" I don't wanna miss some cue and make him pee in here or shit in here.



Animals take their cues from their owners. If you are a "nervous mommy," he is going to be a nervous dog. While you may not be an "alpha" in your human relationships, you MUST be an alpha with your dog. If you don't, he is going to walk all over you. If you are "nervous" and let him out every twenty minutes, he will come to expect it. Not a good thing or productive thing with an animal.

When you have a dog with no manners, people will not enjoy visiting you and they sure as hell aren't going to want you to visit them with him.

Was he born deaf? How did he come to be in the shelter, the circumstances of his no longer having an owner? Goldens are smart and dumb, lol. HUGE garbage hounds, so yea, watch the food and the garbage, he will go in there.

The vibrating collar sounds like a "must," but even though my examples may have been a bit odd, until you can save for one, rigging something up may be a good way to go.

I found this site:

Vibrating Dog Collars for DEAF Dogs

And the cheapest collar they listed was about $200.00, however, they did supply directions for making your own. Actually that entire site is devoted to deaf animals, I'm sure it will be helpful.

Ask the shelter where you work if you can borrow a crate for a bit while you train him. Since you know he is already thinking of taking food, a crate is going to be a "must" for when no one can be in the house with him. Also look on Ebay and Craiglist to see if you can find one that is inexpensive. You might even find someone giving a crate away on Craigslist. If you were in my area, I could have gotten you a crate to use in a heartbeat.

Consider using a harness to walk him instead of a collar. Since he is deaf, and you want to get a vibrating collar, a harness could make it easier for him to learn to walk on a leash properly while allowing the (vibrating) collar, once you get one to be specific to other things.

Remember, even if Bones "fights" you over training a bit, he really will be happier with structure than without.

The getting up in the middle of the night *could* be him adjusting, but it also *could* be part of you being a new "mommy." He is loving all the attention and going out every twenty minutes, so when you go to bed, you aren't doing either and he is telling you he want to, so give that some thought every time that nervous mommy thing rears its ugly head.

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