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frazzle -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 8:03:33 PM)
No one so far has explained crating, but I'm going to assume its shutting the poor thing in a cage. I have fostered many problem animals, you train them to normal family life. Fine you may have a few weeks of mess, but they learn.

tazzygirl -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 8:06:52 PM)
quote: Never heard of crating Well, hell hun, allow me http://www.inch.com/~dogs/cratetraining.html http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/cratetraining.htm http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/dogs/tips/crate_training.html http://www.cesarsway.com/cesarstips/thebasics/Crate-Expectations If those dont give you the answer you obviously missed, then google dog crate training. There are a plethora of sites to give out information.

tazzygirl -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 8:07:52 PM)
quote: No one so far has explained crating, but I'm going to assume its shutting the poor thing in a cage. Assumptions can be erroneous.

xxblushesxx -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 8:07:58 PM)
Crate training is one of (if not the most) popular form of house training there is right now. Although that is not what she will be using it for. Many dogs have a crate they sleep in every night. It's like their own little personal cave. Obviously, if the dog has major issues with it and can't adjust, something else must be done, but it seems to work for many.

LafayetteLady -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 8:09:20 PM)
There is no need to explain crating to you. TFB knows what it is and she is the one with the dog. I find it hard to believe anyone would entrust you to foster a dog not knowing what crate training is. It is not only extremely common, but it is widely recommended by vets. Talk out your ass much?

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 10:19:12 PM)
He's only going to be crated when he can't be watched. Like not home. Yup.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/19/2011 10:23:01 PM)
We picked up his bed, and the humping and digging stopped and we had a really peaceful night. I don't think there's gonna be any more night problems with waking us up humping and digging.

Termyn8or -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 3:24:33 AM)
The idea eventually is to not have to lock him up at all. Since he's starting to behave at night you are talking only when he is alone, and that can make sense. Eventually though you want to stop even that. There might be a mishap and you will have to kick his ass once. But he has his choices. Other places he can just GTFO, but since someone else is holding you responsible it would be back to them. I'm sure he likes it there enough to want to stay. You are probably spoiling him rotten :-) But one day you are going to walk in and find an arm of your couch eaten off or something and there is not going to be much doubt as to who did it. Bust his ass or start crating him again ? Busting his ass is better because they do understand that, and it's not permanent. If you stop crating and he eats furniture and your response is to crate him again there is no coming back. Really, never forget that he wants to please you and when he doesn't he really doesn't know how. You do not hurt, but you could pick him up by the hair and throw him a few feet. It doesn't hurt or injure them but it scares the shit out of them. You do it RIGHT THEN when you find the infraction, the less than pristine chew toy that wasn't meant to be. Just like cats and speaker grills, and yes mine are cloth and I will be with cats next year. They are NOT going to tear my shit up. I dunno, I would never want to see an animal abused, but like kids, there is a time for corporal punishment. You do not hurt, you cause discomfort. You communicate. In that you have a big problem. As far as the dog being a good watchfog, deaf, I don't think so. So you can crate hin for the rest of his life, but is that cool ? I've known dogs afforded more freedom than some humans, no bullshit. If trained right you can let them run like at midnight and they won't get into trouble and they will be back in the morning. But they could hear. So you have a handicapped dog, but don't be surprised if the fucker learns how to read lips. T^T

calamitysandra -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 4:31:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady There is no need to explain crating to you. TFB knows what it is and she is the one with the dog. I find it hard to believe anyone would entrust you to foster a dog not knowing what crate training is. It is not only extremely common, but it is widely recommended by vets. Talk out your ass much? Short sidetrack: Crate training seems to be an US thing. It is virtually unknown/frowned upon in Europe. Frazzle is in the UK, so that should explain why she did not know it. The attitude towards walking a dog seems to be quite different between the continents as well. It is sometimes amazing in which corners cultural differences do pop up.

kalikshama -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 5:35:29 AM)
I'm not opposed to crates - I saw my boss use it successfully, so when R brought the husky home and he had behavioral problems, I suggested it. R was opposed, however. We diagnosed the husky with separation anxiety - when left alone he would do things such as dig in the bedding, ripping it with his claws, and fetch tubes of toothpaste from the bathroom and maul them in the living room. (Interestingly, he only did this to my Tom's of Maine Peppermint and left R's Colgate alone.) Our cure for separation anxiety won't work for everyone - for months, we never left him alone. R is self employed and brought him to work. After he learned to trust us, we were able to leave him alone without consequences. He'd also never been socialized with other dogs and R spent a lot of time with him at dog park. The husky was BIG - 75# - and I would have been too worried about him hurting smaller dogs to accomplish this, but R, being alpha with dogs as well as humans, made it work. Husky also dig not know how to walk on a leash and for months dragged me around the golf course after geese until we trained him to stop pulling. To sum - patience, training, be the alpha, exercise, and love.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 11:42:47 AM)
If it was possible to be any more spoiled he'd be fertilizer in the garden lol. I love hugging him and petting him , having him lay next to me in bed,and talking to him, even though he can't hear he see's my expression change and my mouth move and he knows I am speaking to him. And I love having him around me. And because I am home most all day most every day, he's not lonely much. I don't think he's ever gotten so much " human and me " time. We didn't foster him to be a watch dog, so that's ok , We have turkeys and Ginny fowl, they are good "watch dogs" They start screaming and cackling any time something suspicious or different goes down. I think if you kept the house clean enough he wouldn't destroy stuff, he's not interested so far in the furniture, except to rub his itchy skin on, and he only bothers stuff I leave out, like hey if you left it out on the floor it's fair game. But please stop suggesting I hit them, or throw them, or man handle them. It would be very frowned upon if they found out I was doing that, and would probably get abuse accusations leveled against me, and I certainly would loose Bones and be told not to come back to the rescue. I am not going "slap the shit out of a dog" or pick them up or throw them, a little bit, or any other violent means of correction. I will spray them in the face with water from a squirt bottle perhaps when he's being most obnoxious and nothing else works, maybe a small tap on his butt, but other than that I will not be laying hands on him. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or The idea eventually is to not have to lock him up at all. Since he's starting to behave at night you are talking only when he is alone, and that can make sense. Eventually though you want to stop even that. There might be a mishap and you will have to kick his ass once. But he has his choices. Other places he can just GTFO, but since someone else is holding you responsible it would be back to them. I'm sure he likes it there enough to want to stay. You are probably spoiling him rotten :-) But one day you are going to walk in and find an arm of your couch eaten off or something and there is not going to be much doubt as to who did it. Bust his ass or start crating him again ? Busting his ass is better because they do understand that, and it's not permanent. If you stop crating and he eats furniture and your response is to crate him again there is no coming back. Really, never forget that he wants to please you and when he doesn't he really doesn't know how. You do not hurt, but you could pick him up by the hair and throw him a few feet. It doesn't hurt or injure them but it scares the shit out of them. You do it RIGHT THEN when you find the infraction, the less than pristine chew toy that wasn't meant to be. Just like cats and speaker grills, and yes mine are cloth and I will be with cats next year. They are NOT going to tear my shit up. I dunno, I would never want to see an animal abused, but like kids, there is a time for corporal punishment. You do not hurt, you cause discomfort. You communicate. In that you have a big problem. As far as the dog being a good watchfog, deaf, I don't think so. So you can crate hin for the rest of his life, but is that cool ? I've known dogs afforded more freedom than some humans, no bullshit. If trained right you can let them run like at midnight and they won't get into trouble and they will be back in the morning. But they could hear. So you have a handicapped dog, but don't be surprised if the fucker learns how to read lips. T^T quote: d be back to them. I'm sure he likes it there enough to want to stay

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 11:51:26 AM)
Bones pulls something awful too, We're going to have to work on him walking nicely, cause other wise if he wants to go left and you want to go right, you're going left, and in trying to go right you'll have a hell of a lot of tugging and hand ache to get him going the right way sometimes. The shelter actually said Bones needs a gentle leader, and I can go in on Tuesday and have someone show me how to put it on him and how to use it. I think he also has a touch of separation anxiety, cause at the shelter when I'd put him in a yard and have to walk away for a moment, he'd begin barking and digging at the fence the moment he relized you were walking away with out him. If I get up and get ready to go from the room to someplace else, he naturally wants to go, and I have a bit of a hard time squeezing out the door with out him. When I put him in his crate because I have to go and he can't be left alone he barks and cries and digs, same if I try to leave him in a room. We tried putting him in my dad's small computer room for a quick bit of time while I went to the rescue to do volunteer work today, and then when my dad got back from dropping me off Bones could come sit in the livingroom,and as I was getting my shoes and socks on, I heard him whining and crying, and scratching at the door, and he was so upset. I decided not to go, and went to go get him and he was jumping on things and kind of frantically looking around. In his crate he will eventually settle down, but he looks so depressed and sad, I think I will reward him every time he comes out for a while, to let him know I am so happy he laid down and hushed up like a good boy, and I lure him in with treats. We're actually not supposed to take foster dogs to dog parks, because of the liability it poses, if a dog bit the rescue dog, or a rescue dog bit another dog, would cause all kindsa shit to hit the fan. quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama I'm not opposed to crates - I saw my boss use it successfully, so when R brought the husky home and he had behavioral problems, I suggested it. R was opposed, however. We diagnosed the husky with separation anxiety - when left alone he would do things such as dig in the bedding, ripping it with his claws, and fetch tubes of toothpaste from the bathroom and maul them in the living room. (Interestingly, he only did this to my Tom's of Maine Peppermint and left R's Colgate alone.) Our cure for separation anxiety won't work for everyone - for months, we never left him alone. R is self employed and brought him to work. After he learned to trust us, we were able to leave him alone without consequences. He'd also never been socialized with other dogs and R spent a lot of time with him at dog park. The husky was BIG - 75# - and I would have been too worried about him hurting smaller dogs to accomplish this, but R, being alpha with dogs as well as humans, made it work. Husky also dig not know how to walk on a leash and for months dragged me around the golf course after geese until we trained him to stop pulling. To sum - patience, training, be the alpha, exercise, and love. quote: y won't work for everyone - for months, we never left him alone. R is self

LafayetteLady -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 1:08:26 PM)
Sandra, had she not come here like an ass talking shit about TFB, I would have politely explained crating to her. However, when someone comes in (late in a post) and snarkily posts how the agency who approved TFB must not have checked her out, etc., I'm going to be a bitch, and I don't care where she is from. Regardless of that, you seem to at least know what crate training is even though you live in Germany, so while it isn't popular, someone who has "fostered many animals" would/should at least be familiar with the term. Or are all the animals in shelters over there left to roam free and if you can catch 'em, you can adopt them?

LafayetteLady -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 1:21:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Bones pulls something awful too, We're going to have to work on him walking nicely, cause other wise if he wants to go left and you want to go right, you're going left, and in trying to go right you'll have a hell of a lot of tugging and hand ache to get him going the right way sometimes. The shelter actually said Bones needs a gentle leader, and I can go in on Tuesday and have someone show me how to put it on him and how to use it. I think he also has a touch of separation anxiety, cause at the shelter when I'd put him in a yard and have to walk away for a moment, he'd begin barking and digging at the fence the moment he relized you were walking away with out him. If I get up and get ready to go from the room to someplace else, he naturally wants to go, and I have a bit of a hard time squeezing out the door with out him. When I put him in his crate because I have to go and he can't be left alone he barks and cries and digs, same if I try to leave him in a room. We tried putting him in my dad's small computer room for a quick bit of time while I went to the rescue to do volunteer work today, and then when my dad got back from dropping me off Bones could come sit in the livingroom,and as I was getting my shoes and socks on, I heard him whining and crying, and scratching at the door, and he was so upset. I decided not to go, and went to go get him and he was jumping on things and kind of frantically looking around. In his crate he will eventually settle down, but he looks so depressed and sad, I think I will reward him every time he comes out for a while, to let him know I am so happy he laid down and hushed up like a good boy, and I lure him in with treats. We're actually not supposed to take foster dogs to dog parks, because of the liability it poses, if a dog bit the rescue dog, or a rescue dog bit another dog, would cause all kindsa shit to hit the fan. No, tossing him across the room isn't going to teach him much of anything. An attention getting smack on the butt or even the snout is fine. If you are crating him while other people are in the house, he knows and this is causing some of the anxiety. Remember, just because he can't hear, he CAN feel vibrations. You and your mom are bigger women, and if I remember correctly your partner is a big guy too. He can feel y'all walking through the house, trust me. Is he restricted to your room, or does he have free roam in the whole house? Don't ever put him in a computer room again, unless you want him to destroy the computer, lol. Typically, the bathroom is the place to lock them up if you aren't going to put him in a crate. Just remember to take the toilet paper out as well as the garbage, unless you want to clean it up. Yes, the theory is that he will eventually settle down in the crate. DO NOT train him by putting him in and out, giving him rewards when he settles down. He will confuse this with some kind of punishment. Since it is your intent to crate him when you go out, then only do it then. If you come back and he hasn't made a mess in the crate, praise and reward him. If you must crate him when you go out, but other people are still home, he will take longer to settle down. Essentially, either the other people in the house learn to have him out with them or they listen to him until he settles down.

Termyn8or -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 2:32:07 PM)
quote: a gentle leader Yeah, wait till you see that thing. You should see the collar my one buddy had to use. The problem was the dog is so damn strong there is nothing stout enough in the house to which to tether him. We are talking refrigerator in the livingroom. They wanted him to stay in the kitchen at night and this collar was designed with spikes to dig in when pulled on. Makes a choke chain look lame. A bit extreme but....... So don't hit the dog, really. It's just alot of people play rough with their dogs and dogs really are physical animals. I've played rough with dogs and they loved every minute of it, and I've seen people play so rough that you would think they were beating the shit out of the dog, but it was like wrestling or sparring. If YOU are strong, this helps keep them in shape as well. Some people do not want to play with their dog rough, sometimes becasue kids are around and they don't want the dog to be rowdy and hurt the kids. But this cockstrong SOB od my buddy's with the razor collar is totally gentle with youngins, but will give you a run for your money in a game of slap tug o war etc. That's the name of the game, getim worked up. Givim some REAL physical exertion. You can't let him go on a seven mile sprint up hills and shit like his body was designed to do, so alot of people in the city will play rough with their dogs. One notable playmate was half sheperd and half wolf. This was a smart one, and also had extemely strong jaws. This dog picked up tires and shit with his jaws. But then came me, and I was a bit younger then. I am not losing tug of war to a dog, you want a challenge bring a fucking bear. Well this MF would not let go and I mean had the jaw strength to hold on no matter what. It got to the point where I lifted him completely off the ground. After while a new fun thing came up. I would start spinning around dragging him by the tug o war piece. We needed strong ones mind you. I would spin around and he would be lifted off the ground by centrifugal force. With me six foot tall on all twos and him two feet tall on all fours, a math expert could figure out the force vector and the "G" force created by the spinning and estimate just how much the dog's jaw was working against. Off the top of my head I would guess at least 166% of his body weight or something like that. Landing was a bit tricky though, but luckily he was agile enough to handle it. He was coming down from being in flight sideways. It had to end when I started getting dizzy, but I did try to make the landing easier for him by actually braking myself fairly hard. Even on takeoff, start slow and then it's like shifting gears, pull hard and start spinning faster NOW ! Once he's off the ground you're good to go until to get dizzy. Then stop fast so he doesn't have to deal with it long. We had a hell of alot of fun with that dog. Your dog is different so his life and whatever will be different. Being deaf may be seen as a disadvantage but think of this - winners have taken a loser and made it into a winner. So the dog can't hear. Oh, dear. But wait, you communicate nonverbally. Hmmmmm. Only you and the dog know. Like a secret code. Maybe that can be an advantage. You should do your best to make it so. And Woman, find that camera ! You got us all worked up here and people seem to be polite about this but if you think you can come in here with all this and not cough up some pictures, GRRRRRRRRRRR. Actually I hope he's as ugly as a moose because that would be cute. Hang on, are mooses ugly ? Enough, give him a couple of scritches behind the ear or something for me. T^T

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 5:05:48 PM)
Yup, we're all big in this family sept my dad who's a twig she's closest to normal weight though, between the 3 of us, .When it's safe for him to do so, he'll be allowed in both my rooms, this one and the outer pantry/ general purpose room, There's a laundry aclove off to the side, and naturally laundry soap and stuff, so I'll probably baby gate that room off, not that a baby gate would be much of a deterrent, but he seems to respect when something like that is in his way and not try to hop over it. The rest of the room just has to be kinda dog proofed. I/ we live behind my parents on the property in a cottage like set up, and in my moms house he's only allowed to be in the livingroom and the kitchen and the bathroom, Being in my dad's room may change eventually, but I wouldn't count on it. And he's not likely gonna go in my moms room. We have a screened in porch and right now his crate is on the porch, Soon I will put his crate in my room most likely. It's a huge crate. And then he has free roam of the majority of the yard, he's not allowed in the front yard cause my dad keeps nice flowers and stuff and he may be able to jump the fence, I just don't want to risk that or him destroying my dad's hard work. and I go out there and supervise him in the back and let him walk about stretch, potties, anything he wishes, with in reason, I wouldn't let him bother the turkeys or dig holes or try to climb a fence or nothing, but good well behaved fun is ok. He will maybe be crated for thanksgiving, my dad and I do not want him free to bother the guests, and being obnoxious, you really do have to watch him every second when he's not in my room, or he is up to something. though I am thinking a kong will be enough to keep him busy, and we won't need to crate him. How would he equate getting a treat for going in and a treat once he's out of the crate as punishment, I think we have a mis communication here. quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Is he restricted to your room, or does he have free roam in the whole house? Don't ever put him in a computer room again, unless you want him to destroy the computer, lol. Typically, the bathroom is the place to lock them up if you aren't going to put him in a crate. Just remember to take the toilet paper out as well as the garbage, unless you want to clean it up. Yes, the theory is that he will eventually settle down in the crate. DO NOT train him by putting him in and out, giving him rewards when he settles down. He will confuse this with some kind of punishment. Since it is your intent to crate him when you go out, then only do it then. If you come back and he hasn't made a mess in the crate, praise and reward him. If you must crate him when you go out, but other people are still home, he will take longer to settle down. Essentially, either the other people in the house learn to have him out with them or they listen to him until he settles down.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 5:21:30 PM)
Playing rough is a bit different, our Springer spaniel collie liked to play a bit rough sometimes, and heaven forgive a toy if she was in a playfully agressive mod cause h was coming out on the loosing end, she'd whip it around and growl at it and hold it between hrfeet to munch on i, but watch out, if you were ever on the short end of her toenails or teeth on accident, you'd know it and you wouldn't like it. She never broke the skin with her teeth but god damned it hurt, same with hertoenails/ He has some hound in him I think , cause he's got those big soulful droopy ish eyelids, and that sweet, sweet face. You might think his ears are ugly though cause they're a bit deformed on the underside, but that's ok, you don't see that unless you go look. In some ways being deaf is a benifit to him. He doesn't have to put up with all that shit hearing dogs do, like the other dogs in the kennel going nuts, or baying and he doesn't know when the ginni hens are screaming at him lol. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or A bit extreme but....... So don't hit the dog, really. It's just alot of people play rough with their dogs and dogs really are physical animals. I've played rough with dogs and they loved every minute of it, and I've seen people play so rough that you would think they were beating the shit out of the dog, but it was like wrestling or sparring. If YOU are strong, this helps keep them in shape as well. Your dog is different so his life and whatever will be different. Being deaf may be seen as a disadvantage but think of this - winners have taken a loser and made it into a winner. So the dog can't hear. Oh, dear. But wait, you communicate nonverbally. Hmmmmm. Only you and the dog know. Like a secret code. Maybe that can be an advantage. You should do your best to make it so. And Woman, find that camera ! You got us all worked up here and people seem to be polite about this but if you think you can come in here with all this and not cough up some pictures, GRRRRRRRRRRR. Actually I hope he's as ugly as a moose because that would be cute. Hang on, are mooses ugly ? Enough, give him a couple of scritches behind the ear or something for me. T^T quote: A bit extreme but....... So don't hit the dog, really. It's just alot of people play rough with their dogs and dogs rea

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 5:23:23 PM)
He did something so odd today, he was in bed hanging out, and he was asleep or just chilling and he let rip with this most mournful distressed awoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, oo oooo and when I got up to check on him hs rump was shaking, not as in wag wag wag, but shivering as in afraid or cold, so I figure he musta been dreaming.

LafayetteLady -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 7:12:19 PM)
Not a miscommunication, just me not being very clear. My point is that you don't want to put him in and out of the crate just for putting him in and out of the crate's sake. Is that more clear? If he is going to be crated when you go out, then leave it to when you go out, or for those occasions when he needs to be locked up for company, like Thanksgiving. You said it is a huge crate. Does he have room to do more than stand up and turn around?

Hillwilliam -> RE: I GOT APPROVED TO FOSTER AND BONES a deaf dog&* IS HOME WITH ME NOW!* (11/20/2011 7:14:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom He did something so odd today, he was in bed hanging out, and he was asleep or just chilling and he let rip with this most mournful distressed awoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, oo oooo and when I got up to check on him hs rump was shaking, not as in wag wag wag, but shivering as in afraid or cold, so I figure he musta been dreaming. My bloodhound does that. I think it's bad dreams.

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