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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:09:12 AM

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"Who gives a shit if some child dies as long as you can spout libertarian principles about leaving the people alone."

Let me ask you something MF. Did I ask you to eat unsanctified meat, to drink un deskankified milk or avoid vaccinations ? Did I tell you that you must avoid this shit period, and that you have no fucking choice ?

If a few of yours die so what, you deal with it. If a few of mine die that is none of your business.

You live your life your way and I'll take care of me. And if you are worried about my kids or something, what the fuck for ? Worry about your own asshole. Fucking if someone chooses to live a lifestyle different thant you that is not OK ?

HELLO, SMILE YOU ARE ON CM NOW.

So we can play with torches and chainsaws, tear gas and shit, knives and needles, but we can't decide for ourselves what to eat.

Go with Domken.

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Like I said, a ridiculous thread and a ridiculous attitude.

There should be no regulations or rules to protect people?

Everyone can can just do what the fuck they want?

And who cares if some two-year old dies in the process?

Sums you up well.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:11:21 AM

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i'm saying, i think this was a publicity stunt. i bet the government does NOT subject nearby restaurants serving food from the farmer's market to the same scrutiny.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:14:49 AM

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"Sums you up well. "

Yes, I will wear that.

You owe everything to your protectors.

Does that please you ? Oh wait, it doesn't matter, you NEED them.

To me that is a fate worse than death, if you needed to know that.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:17:17 AM

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i'm saying, i think this was a publicity stunt.

That makes it worse.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:18:45 AM

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:19:47 AM

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That makes it worse.

Yep.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:24:26 AM

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Yes, I will wear that.

You owe everything to your protectors.

Does that please you ? Oh wait, it doesn't matter, you NEED them.

To me that is a fate worse than death, if you needed to know that.

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There is a reason for the regulations that have come about.

And it is really simple. To protect people.

There are a lot of unscrupulous individuals out there who don't care as long as they can make a profit.

Think back to all the unsanitary conditions at Tyson.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:30:41 AM

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This is not fucking Tyson.

In fact raw milk SHOULD NOT be sold over state lines, it spoils too fast. Any idiot knows that, but wait. Now we have processed milk that has a virus in it to combat the bacteria that makes it go sour, notice that ? Milk does not get sour anymore it gets bitter.

If we want milk we are not allowed to avoid that virus, which has been tested, according to the people who bribed the government.

I understand your position completely.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:41:08 AM

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This is not fucking Tyson.

In fact raw milk SHOULD NOT be sold over state lines, it spoils too fast. Any idiot knows that, but wait. Now we have processed milk that has a virus in it to combat the bacteria that makes it go sour, notice that ? Milk does not get sour anymore it gets bitter.

If we want milk we are not allowed to avoid that virus, which has been tested, according to the people who bribed the government.

I understand your position completely.

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Come and have a look in my refrigerator, my milk goes sour all the time.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 1:54:21 AM

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A wasted response.

What is in my refrigerator is my business. You seem to think differently. Don't be surprised to find yourself in the wrong when the right finally speaks up. You act like you CAN'T survive. Is that true ? I can live in mud, or a sewer, or who the fuck knows. If you can't you are better off ? What was that 1984 thing ? Freedom is bliss, ignorance is justice, something like that ?

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 2:21:29 AM

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in Ca is it legal to sell raw milk i still do not understand
why anyone would have their child or anyone drink it!
It kills fast, they still sell unpastrized fruit juices too!

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 2:24:04 AM

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raw milk kills fast????????????????????
wonder how mankind survived the last 5000 years ...

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 2:48:32 AM

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in Ca is it legal to sell raw milk i still do not understand
why anyone would have their child or anyone drink it!
It kills fast, they still sell unpastrized fruit juices too!

i can't understand this hysterical overreaction to unpasteurized milk. Do you know what kills a hell of a lot more people than unpasteurized milk? Tobacco, which is legal in all 50 states. Which has killed many more children than unpasteurized milk. Which is addictive and causes all kinds of diseases, and yet... the government has decided that a person has the right to choose to smoke it, even to choose to expose their 2 year old children to its smoke.

For the record, pasteurization kills the friendly bacteria in milk, destroys important vitamins, enzymes, and antibodies, and renders much of its calcium undigestible. And that's not even mentioning the fact that pasteurized milk just doesn't taste as good.

i agree the state has the right to control the consumption of certain substances. i do not think unpasteurized milk should be one of them.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 2:54:18 AM

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I know of a man whom worked in a slaughterhouse, he
did not mention what happen there in this was in the late 1970's
but he never ate mean again! i found when i had gotten some chicken
from kFc and it made me sick to see the leg bone broken and it tasted
gamely!. I wonder folks if anything is safe to eat i will stick to veggies, beans anything
but meat!

Ok the places are not clean so what about the hunting, bear and deer, how safe is it to
it is ti clean, must anyone whom hunts clean it is a special way? So i heard of a new trend to butcher your
own meat, as anyone here done this! it is safer then the factory guided places?

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 3:05:44 AM

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raw milk has to be handled with care - cream skimming starting spontaneously, and it turns sour fast(er) - btw sour milk is still edible ... not everybody's taste but what is ...
there is a higher risk of certain germs present and the longer you wait with consuming milk the more time is for them to multiply - no real news so far

how to handle raw milk and food in general one usually learns in a process called education (among many other things ...)
maybe the real problem is there

and: there is no risk-free life - but being aware of risks and how to handle risks can be learned

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 5:29:09 AM

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This. The trial hasn't happened yet. Asking for a "summary judgement" just means the Plaintiffs thought their argument was so obviously correct that the judge would be willing to bypass the trial altogether and go directly to the ruling.

Watch out, it was the defendants that moved for summary judgment, not the plaintiffs. The judge moved in favor of the motion, so the plaintiffs lost. There will be no trial (though there could be an appeal).

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 5:41:51 AM

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I think the government displayed a disgusting double standard here. Restaurants operate under exactly the same laws, and i have yet to see the health department walk in to any restaurant and subject their food to the same level of scrutiny, or expect them to prove the origin of each cut tomato.

In a way we do have to account for where every tomato comes from. It is all by using HACCP trained suppliers.

I would love it if I could go to Kroger and get berries when they are on sale or something like that, but there has to be an invoice showing that everything comes from an approved source.

I'm a cafeteria manager for a school, but, since the Serv Safe requirements became nationwide, I believe it is the same across the board for any food services operation.

i don't know if the standards more rigorous for school cafeterias, but i've been working in restaurants forever, and i have never seen the Health Department (or anyone else) demand that a restaurant prove the provinance of its food, and much less order it to throw out its tomatoes by stating that, being out of their packaging and cut, it was impossible to prove their origin. i've also seen restaurants get their ingredients from all kinds of sources, including private farms and farmer's markets.

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Does your restaurant not serve seafood? If you don't preserve the tags for 60 days you are looking at big fines if you ever have an outbreak tracked back to you.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 5:52:10 AM

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tazzy
in Ca is it legal to sell raw milk i still do not understand
why anyone would have their child or anyone drink it!
It kills fast, they still sell unpastrized fruit juices too!

mons

mons, milk has been linked to so very few deaths. research is what you should do on this issue. I understand the benefits of raw milk. I also, medically, understand the complications that can arise from what could possibly contaminate it.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 6:00:02 AM

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Does your restaurant not serve seafood? If you don't preserve the tags for 60 days you are looking at big fines if you ever have an outbreak tracked back to you.

Thats definitely true for our sushi.

The point I have tried to bring up is that food poisoning is extremely under-reported. People tossing up numbers and statistics are being a bit misleading.

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RE: Food safety ? - 11/26/2011 6:01:34 AM

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Does your restaurant not serve seafood? If you don't preserve the tags for 60 days you are looking at big fines if you ever have an outbreak tracked back to you.

If there was an outbreak.

That's different than if the Health Department just walked in saying, show us your tags (which they have every right to do), and then made us dump everything that we couldn't trace to an exact tag. In all my years cooking, i have never seen that happen, and yet that's exactly what seemed to have happened at the event the OP was speaking of.

Hence, the double standard.

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