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Sanity -> Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 7:57:37 AM)


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UC Davis Student Admits Protesters Surrounded Cops and Wouldn't Let Them Leave



Video and transcript: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/24/uc-davis-student-admits-protesters-surrounded-cops-and-wouldnt-let-th#ixzz1ejV2y8oY


Never take a chanting mob of leftists word on anything... [;)]






Hillwilliam -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:16:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

UC Davis Student Admits Protesters Surrounded Cops and Wouldn't Let Them Leave



Video and transcript: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/24/uc-davis-student-admits-protesters-surrounded-cops-and-wouldnt-let-th#ixzz1ejV2y8oY


Never take a chanting mob of leftists word on anything... [;)]





If you go about halfway down your article, you will see a clear path for the officer to walk thru (actually, it looks wide enough to drive thru) at about 2 oclock.
Interesting you say "never take a chanting mob of leftists word" but then this article quotes those same 'leftists' and you are using their story for you argument.

ETA.  If I'm someone who want's out of an encirclement, I don't go after the people sitting with linked arms because they can't move out of the way if I immobilize them with spray anyway.  I go after those who are standing.  That way, when they dodge or duck or just hit the ground in pain, that would open a path for E & E.




Real0ne -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:21:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

UC Davis Student Admits Protesters Surrounded Cops and Wouldn't Let Them Leave



Video and transcript: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/24/uc-davis-student-admits-protesters-surrounded-cops-and-wouldnt-let-th#ixzz1ejV2y8oY


Never take a chanting mob of leftists word on anything... [;)]





the only thing debunked here is your credibility.




Lucylastic -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:35:31 AM)

[image]http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/thumbnail_photos/2011/November/Pepper%20Spray_0.jpg[/image]
from the link...
LMAO yeah surrounded...by violent rampaging murderers rapists and thieves
Guffaw





luckydawg -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:36:05 AM)

actually Sanity is "taking the word" the actuall story of a participant, named, elli pearson, on camera telling the story.

Not the word of a "chanting mob of leftists".

It seems intentional on your part to have such poor comprehension.



And Just so I am understanding you, you feel the mob had the right to detain the police officers and force them to un arrest people.

That is what happened. The student says so, and the video at the bottom clearly shows it.


That is not civil disobedience, that is serious crime.

Which is apperantly supported by most of the left, at least in here.


Interesting video. A lot of stuff is shown that is intentionally cut out of the propaganda and MSM videos.



Every "sprayee" was individually warned that it was going to happen if they chose to remain, in thier attempt to interefere with the Officers Lawfull Actions. While the crowd chanted "let them go and well let you go".


And you think people support this nonsense.



It is noteworthy, that the protest against this was only important enough for 30 of the over 30,000 students to skip thanksgiving for.


I bet the vast majority of Students will go to class on Monday, and most of the strike will be from non students.




Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:36:49 AM)


Thats a figment of your imagination, if you had audio you would have heard the mob chanting about detaining the officers

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
If you go about halfway down your article, you will see a clear path for the officer to walk thru (actually, it looks wide enough to drive thru) at about 2 oclock.
Interesting you say "never take a chanting mob of leftists word" but then this article quotes those same 'leftists' and you are using their story for you argument.

ETA.  If I'm someone who want's out of an encirclement, I don't go after the people sitting with linked arms because they can't move out of the way if I immobilize them with spray anyway.  I go after those who are standing.  That way, when they dodge or duck or just hit the ground in pain, that would open a path for E & E.




Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:40:00 AM)


Campus officer: "Theres a train coming, I suggest that you please evacuate the railroad track"

Rioters: "No"

[sm=alien.gif]

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

actually Sanity is "taking the word" the actuall story of a participant, named, elli pearson, on camera telling the story.

Not the word of a "chanting mob of leftists".

It seems intentional on your part to have such poor comprehension.



And Just so I am understanding you, you feel the mob had the right to detain the police officers and force them to un arrest people.

That is what happened. The student says so, and the video at the bottom clearly shows it.


That is not civil disobedience, that is serious crime.

Which is apperantly supported by most of the left, at least in here.


Interesting video. A lot of stuff is shown that is intentionally cut out of the propaganda and MSM videos.



Every "sprayee" was individually warned that it was going to happen if they chose to remain, in thier attempt to interefere with the Officers Lawfull Actions. While the crowd chanted "let them go and well let you go".


And you think people support this nonsense.



It is noteworthy, that the protest against this was only important enough for 30 of the over 30,000 students to skip thanksgiving for.


I bet the vast majority of Students will go to class on Monday, and most of the strike will be from non students.




agentx21 -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:42:29 AM)

Please feel free to keep making stuff up and posting it on a perv website if it helps you manage the cognitive dissonance between you and reality. .

Why aren't you posting this groundbreaking news on an actual "lefty" news forum?




Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:42:42 AM)


Try to argue using reason rather than emotion. What are you referring to, we cant read minds here.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the only thing debunked here is your credibility.





Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:45:36 AM)


If you want to discuss a "cognitive dissonance between you and reality" - why are you posting in the political section if you it upsets you to see others posting about political things

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ORIGINAL: agentx21

Please feel free to keep making stuff up and posting it on a perv website if it helps you manage the cognitive dissonance between you and reality. .

Why aren't you posting this groundbreaking news on an actual "lefty" news forum?





tazzygirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:45:46 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4406KJQMc

2:23 clearly shows a cop stepping over the circle of students. No one tried to stop him. There is still no excuse for the pepper spraying incident.




Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:46:37 AM)


Again...

Explain the crowds chants then, and the DemocracyNOW! interview, if you can

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4406KJQMc

2:23 clearly shows a cop stepping over the circle of students. No one tried to stop him. There is still no excuse for the pepper spraying incident.




luckydawg -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:47:56 AM)

Nope, pepper spray was absolutly warranted.

But we do have you down as supporting mobs stopping police from doing thier lawfull duty.









tazzygirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:51:16 AM)

Civil disobedience.... does that not ring a bell with you?




Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:54:45 AM)


Do you believe that a mob should be able to get away with anything so long as they think of it as "civil disobedience"

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Civil disobedience.... does that not ring a bell with you?




tazzygirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:56:46 AM)

"We told the police to remove the tents or the equipment," Katehi said in an interview with The Bee in her office inside the administration building, which remains locked down to the public.

"We told them very specifically to do it peacefully, and if there were too many of them, not to do it, if the students were aggressive, not to do it. And then we told them we also do not want to have another Berkeley."

In her most expansive comments since Friday's attempt to remove the tents spiraled into the pepper-spraying of students, Katehi said she still does not know who decided to use pepper spray and was stunned when she first saw video clips of it Friday night.

"It looked horrible, horrific, I would say … , " Katehi said. "I can tell you that I woke up Saturday really early in the morning, like 3 a.m., and I felt like it was a disaster on our hands."

She also said she never would have approved the use of full-scale riot gear by officers sent in to remove the students and that Police Chief Annette Spicuzza was part of an emergency conference call before the incident.

"We told her that it has to be peaceful, that anything else would not be acceptable," Katehi said one day after Spicuzza was placed on administrative leave along with two officers who used the pepper spray.

Spicuzza did not respond to a message left at her home Tuesday, but she has previously said the officers used the pepper spray because they were being cut off from other police by the students. Video clips that have surfaced so far do not show that happening.

Katehi said Spicuzza indicated Saturday that it was Lt. John Pike who decided to use the pepper spray.

"I believe on Saturday when I spoke with her I said, 'What happened?' " Katehi said. "She tried to explain that it was the decision of Lt. Pike."

Pike's voice mail has been full since Sunday, and he could not be reached.

Video clips of the officers spraying students who were sitting peacefully on the ground have been viewed online by millions of people since Friday and resulted in widespread calls for Katehi to resign.

She has resisted those calls and met with student groups several times Tuesday, including an afternoon session at which she called for all charges against 10 individuals in Friday's incident – nine of them students – to be dropped.

She also said UC Davis and the UC system would cover all medical expenses incurred by students who were pepper- sprayed.



Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/23/4074993/katehi-campus-police-were-told.html#ixzz1ejl4OQHY




luckydawg -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 8:59:14 AM)

THe point of civil Disobedience is to intentionally get arrested.

a mob Detaining Police officers to firce them to un arrest people is NOT CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE.

And the Police had the duty to use the least amount of force necessarry to clear the path and go about thier bussiness.


Which is what they did.





Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 9:01:10 AM)


Repeating the official line of propaganda doesn't make it reality, the cats out of the bag taz. The little Kent State incident that the rioters have been hoping and praying for is a bust...

The campus police were provoked, and the offending protesters could have been arrested on some very serious charges

And again

Do you believe that a mob should be able to get away with anything so long as they think of it as "civil disobedience"








tolovetolaugh -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 9:04:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

THe point of civil Disobedience is to intentionally get arrested.

a mob Detaining Police officers to firce them to un arrest people is NOT CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE.

And the Police had the duty to use the least amount of force necessarry to clear the path and go about thier bussiness.


Which is what they did.




How detaining is it when you can step right over them?
Sounds like it would only be detaining to someone lazy, who uses pepperspray because chasing someone down ends in huff puff  knee grabbing.
They could use it as a test even. If you cant step over the protesters, you need to lay off the doughnuts.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 9:05:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

actually Sanity is "taking the word" the actuall story of a participant, named, elli pearson, on camera telling the story.

Not the word of a "chanting mob of leftists".

It seems intentional on your part to have such poor comprehension.



And Just so I am understanding you, you feel the mob had the right to detain the police officers and force them to un arrest people.

That is what happened. The student says so, and the video at the bottom clearly shows it.


That is not civil disobedience, that is serious crime.

Which is apperantly supported by most of the left, at least in here.


Interesting video. A lot of stuff is shown that is intentionally cut out of the propaganda and MSM videos.



Every "sprayee" was individually warned that it was going to happen if they chose to remain, in thier attempt to interefere with the Officers Lawfull Actions. While the crowd chanted "let them go and well let you go".


And you think people support this nonsense.



It is noteworthy, that the protest against this was only important enough for 30 of the over 30,000 students to skip thanksgiving for.


I bet the vast majority of Students will go to class on Monday, and most of the strike will be from non students.


Photographic evidence in post 4 above kinda debunks that 'trapped and surrounded story'  there is a nice path bewteen the 2 officers on the left of the line (One appears to be walking toward it) and the 7 or 8 officers standing unconcernedly on the other side.  I do believe that if the 2 on the left were trapped, they would be doing something besides sitting around with their hands on their hips observing.

Again. 
sanity is taking the word of one who was part of that group

UC Davis Student Admits Protesters Surrounded Cops and Wouldn't Let Them Leave

and the photographic evidence in the article seems to debunk the story.




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