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A small baptist church in eastern Kentucky has voted to ban interracial couples from joining the congregation and from taking part in all church functions other than funerals.

The vote to ostracise couples of different races was held at the Gulnare Freewill baptist church last Sunday. It has prompted a bitter dispute in the local Pike County and thrown up hatreds and antagonisms that had been hidden beneath the surface of the community for years.

The vote was held on a motion brought by the former pastor of the church, Melvin Thompson. He proposed that people in interracial marriages should not be "received as members, nor will they be used in worship services and other church functions – with the exception being funerals".

His motion added that it "was not intended to judge the salvation of anyone, but is intended to promote greater unity among the church body and the community we serve".

Thompson's move originated from a church service in June attended by Stella Harville, aged 24, and her black fiance Ticha Chikuni, 29. Harville, a keen pianist, accompanied Chikuni as he sang the hymn I Surrender All at the service.

On 7 August, Thompson, still pastor at that point, approached Stella's father, Dean Harville, who holds office as the secretary and treasurer of the church. "Thompson told me that Stella and her boyfriend were not allowed to sing in the church any more," Dean Harville said.

Stella's mother, Cathy Harville, confronted Thompson and asked him who precisely had a problem with the couple. "I, for one, do," Thompson replied. "The best thing that Stella can do is take her boyfriend back to where he came from."

Chikuni is originally from Zimbabwe. He has lived in the US for 11 years, having come to Kentucky to study, and now works as a student advisor at Georgetown College.

Thompson stepped down as pastor in August, citing health problems, but continued to press his case against the couple. When his motion was put to the vote on Sunday, nine members registered in favour of it and six against, with about 25 parishioners abstaining by leaving the church before the ballot was called.

Stella Harville, who is taking a master's degree in Indiana, said she was in shock. She has been attending the church since she was a baby and knows the nine people who voted for the motion personally.

"They are my church family," she said. She added that she had also been deeply hurt by the 25 who had abstained as they had failed to take a stand against bigotry.

"It's embedded in our culture, especially in certain areas, that interracial marriage is wrong. Some of them have tried to invoke the Bible to support their argument, but anyone who reads the Bible knows there is no scripture saying this," Harville said.

Dean Harville said that the ban had given "a black eye to the church, a black eye to our community and a black eye to God. The way I look at it, it's a slap in God's face to say something like this."

Thompson, who runs a hardware store, was not available for comment. He told a local radio station: "I do not believe in interracial marriages, and I do not believe this will give our church a black eye at all."

Relationships between white and black people, particularly white women and black men, were a running sore in the days of segregation in the US. Interracial marriage was only made fully legal in 1967.

Polls show that disapproval of the practice has faded with every generation, with up to 97% of younger Americans now having no issue with it. But pockets of resistance remain in places like Alabama, where 41% voted against removing a ban on mixed-race marriages from the state constitution as recently as 2000.

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center said he was astounded that the Kentucky church had openly moved to bar mixed-race couples. "It shows there are a large number of people who still absolutely oppose these relationships".

Under federal law, discrimination on grounds of race is unlawful, but religious groups are exempt.

A meeting of the regional conference of Free Will Baptists churches has been called for Saturday. It is expected to censure the Gulnare motion, though it has no authority to overturn the ban.

Dean Harville intends to bring the matter to another vote this Sunday in the hope of removing the ban. Even if it is rescinded Stella Harville says the damage has been done.

"Who knows, I might go back to the church, but it will take a while to get over the hurt," she said.


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And people wonder why I stay away from churches and the wonderful people that occupy them.

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9 bigots & 25 cowards. Not a group I'd want to be associated with anyway.

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One little church in KY does not all churches make. In fact, I'd guess the reason this made news is because they are almost all NOT like that.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/4/2011 8:51:10 AM   
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One little church in KY does not all churches make. In fact, I'd guess the reason this made news is because they are almost all NOT like that.


We can argue about it but it has been my experience that most are.

Though it is not necessarily church policy it is frowned upon by most church members.

And if we want to take it a little further let's talk about every major church and their aversion to gays.






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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/4/2011 8:55:25 AM   
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There are bad ones. Maybe they're mostly all like that. (I don't know) But just as in another thread, I made a generalization about men (they think with their dicks) many women came in to defend them and said there are many wonderful men. (and there are!) The trick is finding the one that's right for you.
Basically, I'm saying if you wanted to, and you searched (and you actually did want to attend church) you could find one with more members than not that think the way you do. I don't attend church often for many reasons, but I can't blame the churches for that.

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There are bad ones. Maybe they're mostly all like that. (I don't know) But just as in another thread, I made a generalization about men (they think with their dicks) many women came in to defend them and said there are many wonderful men. (and there are!) The trick is finding the one that's right for you.
Basically, I'm saying if you wanted to, and you searched (and you actually did want to attend church) you could find one with more members than not that think the way you do. I don't attend church often for many reasons, but I can't blame the churches for that.


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Well that doesn't really narrow the field much does it? 

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Why the hell would they ever consider going back to the church?

This maniac is alienating the secretary/treasurer of the church and a pianist.  Were I the pastor or minster of a neighboring church, I'd be on the phone to the Harvilles instantly, offering condolences and offering counseling to them.  They'd be a welcome addition to any other church.

I'm disappointed that the congregants are not deserting en masse.  Hell, if I lived there, I'd boycott the hardware store too.

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And if we want to take it a little further let's talk about every major church and their aversion to gays.



Just wanted to stand up here and say that synagogues by and large are pretty LGBT friendly (note that I'm excluding the hidebound Orthodox here, and I'm referring to Reform and Conservative congregations).  My congregation's rabbi is active in local LGBT groups, and we have had two gay couples visit (they opted to not join although they were welcomed when they came).


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Yep. But I imagine she's probably considering it because there are people she cares about there. I don't know.

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Ok fine, maybe Bachmann being against interracial marriage is plausable after all.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

One little church in KY does not all churches make. In fact, I'd guess the reason this made news is because they are almost all NOT like that.


We can argue about it but it has been my experience that most are.

Though it is not necessarily church policy it is frowned upon by most church members.

And if we want to take it a little further let's talk about every major church and their aversion to gays.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) is a mainline Protestant denomination headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. The ELCA officially came into existence on January 1, 1988, by the merging of three churches. As of December 31, 2009, it had 4,543,037 baptized members, with 2,527,941 of them counted as active participants in their congregations.[7] It is the seventh-largest religious body[8] and the largest Lutheran denomination in the United States.[

The Episcopal Church (also officially known as the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America) is a mainline Anglican Christian church found mainly in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), but also in Honduras, Taiwan, Colombia, Ecuador, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, the British Virgin Islands and parts of Europe.[2][3][4] The Episcopal Church is the Province of the Anglican Communion in the United States and most other territories where it has a presence (excluding Europe). The Episcopal Church describes itself as being "Protestant, Yet Catholic".[5] As of 2011, the Episcopal Church claims a baptized membership of 1,951,907 individuals.[6]

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), or PC(USA), is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination in the United States. Part of the Reformed tradition, it is the largest Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. The PC(USA) was established by the 1983 merger of the former Presbyterian Church in the United States, whose churches were located in the Southern and border states, with the United Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, whose congregations could be found in every state.
With 2,077,158 members and 13,462 ordained ministers in 10,657 congregations in 2009[1], the reunited denomination is the most visible and influential Presbyterian denomination in North America.[


There is enough conflict between the two groups without adding misinformation to the mix.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/4/2011 10:25:09 AM   
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To be fair to Christianity it's been a few decades since it had large numbers of adherents against interracial marriage outside of the KKK.

To be fair to reality, Tazzy the oppression of gays in this country has been massively motivated and organized by Christianity and Christians.

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Ok fine, maybe Bachmann being against interracial marriage is plausable after all.

Honestly Samantha, I think that was the problem people had with it, it is more than plausible with her.
I got your point at the time, but I think you are right:)
never underestimate a funnymentalist.
On the other hand I did hear that the church reversed their decision, im gonna look for the link


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To be fair to Christianity it's been a few decades since it had large numbers of adherents against interracial marriage outside of the KKK.

To be fair to reality, Tazzy the oppression of gays in this country has been massively motivated and organized by Christianity and Christians.



I am not contesting that, GS. Nor was that the point I was addressing. Many people, within and outside of religion, oppose gay relationships. The same is true about interracial relationships.

In 1966, the Presbyterian Church took a stand, stating that they did not condemn or prohibit interracial marriages. The church found "no theological grounds for condemning or prohibiting marriage between consenting adults merely because of racial origin".[6] In that same year, the Unitarian Universalist Association declared that "laws which prohibit, inhibit or hamper marriage or cohabitation between persons because of different races, religions, or national origins should be nullified or repealed."[7] Months before the Supreme Court ruling on Loving v. Virginia the Roman Catholic Church joined the movement, supporting interracial couples in their struggle for recognition of their right to marriage.


To make a blanket statement about a group of people without even bothering to understand what it is that group believes or doesnt believe... to me... is irrational.

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One little church in KY does not all churches make. In fact, I'd guess the reason this made news is because they are almost all NOT like that.


After reading the article and another on the same subject I would say most of that church was is not like that. It is just a shame that the 9  exist.


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that they let those 9 make the decision is worse

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Why the hell would they ever consider going back to the church?


If it were my church, I would rather get rid of the nine. But my church doesn't have a problem with interracial couples or gays, so thankfully I don't have to worry about that.


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that they let those 9 make the decision is worse


Yea, I don't know why they didn't stay and vote on it. Makes no sense




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