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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 2:39:37 PM   
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who here thinks graffiti is a good thing.....ive been tagging for 10 yrs now........just wondering


I like it in underpasses, especially the skillful interesting stuff.   I enjoy some of it on grim walls when I'm on a train to London. Not so much on trains, no. It'd be like letting my grandchildren draw all over the walls with no regard for the assault on the eyes.

I like it, just not all over the place.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 2:40:30 PM   
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im on here cause i can be on here i might not be so goddamn as smart as all of yall but i still enjoy the altenative lifestyle so FUCK OFFFFF



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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 2:40:45 PM   
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There is something exciting and liberating about good graffiti. Its like freedom of speech that may only adorn a wall for a day, a week a month but it says something to me that I don't really get from street art or paintings that sit in art galleries with high price tags on them.


In general, one side of me agrees with this. Recently people were doing something similar with yarn, called "yarnbombing" -- sneaking in places and filling in cracks with colorful yarn, randomly decorating things like park benches and windows.

If I had a building, I'd love for a good graffiti artist to tag it.

But the other side of me also believes that a person who owns a building has a right to keep it in the condition s/he prefers, which may mean WITHOUT graffiti.
If the OP wants to just crack off a bunch of dumb graffiti drawings to "calm himself down," then he needs to get canvas and do it that way.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 3:02:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Freight train cars are privately owned, at least in the US, stupid.  Plus, I doubt if you have ever paid for anything with "your" tax dollars.
Vandalism is vandalism.  And from what I can tell, graffiti "artists" are not really artists.
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ya idk i like it i mean if there is already tags on the building y not....and i dont tag ppls buisnesses i think its wrong to bomb something someone worked for so badly.....i tag trains and stuff we paid for with taxes....i mean hell we paid for it y not?


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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 4:01:05 PM   
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However, I think it telling that when I was in JPMorgan/Chase executive offices, real art was on the walls and in cases. The Keith Haring piece was in the anteroom of the ladies bathroom.


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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 4:10:52 PM   
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I love seeing good graffiti on the trains when I am sitting, waiting for them to pass.  I just picture the folks who do it as mellow arteests, not angry folks like the OP.


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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 4:30:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to be honest.. I'm divided.

I recognize tagging and graffiti as part of culture, on the fringe, but my views are almost the same as for advertising.

It depends on the morality. It can be art, it can be vandalism, just as much as it can be activism. You can say the exact same thing about advertising.

There is a dilemma however which is particular to tagging. I'm all for the provision of more community spaces devoted to tagging. But I doubt that those who engage in tagging would find this acceptable.

I'm also all for anger to be expressed creatively and for statements to be made. But here again morality plays a crucial role.

I'm all for alternative, angry, creative and controversial where it makes a point, attracts an audience and makes them think. This is the whole point behind alternative.

But when it's an angry individual just coming out with a stock design on public or private property without agreement that's not being alternative, creative, or artistic - it's basically attention-seeking behaviour, vandalism, and not so much controversial as stupid.

My advice to anyone in the latter is to actually take themselves off and go to art school, learn music, study acting or theatre and actually learn what it really means to be alternative.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 6:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great post, Stella, and I feel as you do.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 7:20:14 PM   
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That's one boy's opinion!
And one girl's as well. I like grafitti, I think it livens up the cityscape, it adds colour and flavour to daily life.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 7:30:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some graffiti is awesome. If you are any good at it you can actually make money doing it. The new bar that just opened up across the street had someone come in to do the walls and floors. It looks great!!! Not only that, it was wanted. Much graffit is put where people do not want it but can't afford the expensive price tag to remove it. So it stays and then guys like you come and add to it, making just another layer of paint that needs paint remover some day.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 9:45:40 PM   
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WOW!!! NV!!! that is a SMOKIN' PIC!!

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 9:50:37 PM   
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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 9:56:55 PM   
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http://www.google.com/search?q=english+graffiti+artist&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=3FU&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bKzdTufQIYno0QG6zvWiBw&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1152&bih=700#hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=bansky+&oq=bansky+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=22814l23695l0l24924l13l10l2l6l0l1l1088l1088l7-1l2l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3acbf6fe72d5c185&biw=1152&bih=700

http://www.google.com/search?q=english+graffiti+artist&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=3FU&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bKzdTufQIYno0QG6zvWiBw&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1152&bih=700





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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:13:50 PM   
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WOW!!! NV!!! that is a SMOKIN' PIC!!


I'm not seeing it on my screen.  Just a really widely stretched out version of the old (red) avatar.  If it's the pic I was trying to post....THANKS!  New birthday present. 

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:17:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been on both sides of the can....in my early 20's, I did political graffiti with ACT-UP.  I also discern a difference between graffiti art as a form of self-expression, art and even political commentary.....Berlin Wall comes to mind.... and then there's tagging.  Graffiti can be a valid art form--tagging is not.  Tagging is self-grandiose, egotistical vandalism, plain and simple, done to mark property or territory as a part of some  gangsta wannabe's pissing contest.

I grew up.  And spent quite a few of YOUR and MY taxpayer dollars....cleaning and repainting graffiti off the walls and doors of the workplace where I was employed once I got off my pathetic ass and started PAYING taxes instead of spending the paid taxes of others by spraying trash on property I didn't own.  I now work in a government building, You spray paint my building and I'll plant my public safety boots so far up your stupid ass, your nuts will come out of your nostrils.  That's a promise.

Do you have a car that you own, OP?  Would be it okay if I spray painted "Driver is a fucking turd" all over it?  How about the front door of your house?   Can I spray-paint "Child molester lives here?" because then you'll get all sorts of interesting graffiti on your house to match it.  And your car.
If it's your personal property, paint away. (I pity your neighbors...or landlord).  If it ain't yours, you have no fucking right to deface it.

Why don't you spend a summer volunteering to remove graffiti off public property, and see how that feels.

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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:18:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think location of graffiti makes a difference, too.

A few years ago I visited family in Seville.  What I once remembered as 100+ year old marble building walls and several hundred year old porcelain and marble relics were covered with black tags.  Truly a shame.  Not artistic in any way.  Just sheer vandalism.


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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:24:45 PM   
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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:31:51 PM   
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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:34:21 PM   
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true lilly very true....but also like i give a fuck.....graffiti is the only way to calm me down.....and i dont support that name writing shit just peices and throwups....(if you dont know what it is your on a computer look it up) i beleive that street art turns plain things into beautiful works of art

Your best bet is to find another way to calm down. Your path will lead to you calming down in jail where someone will decide you are really a sub. HIS sub.
The protagonist in the indy cult film "Pi" found an excellent way to deal with his obsession. I recommend it to spaz. BTW, there's a song about spaz (or his grandfather, SPAZZ.)


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RE: graffiti - 12/5/2011 10:42:17 PM   
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those are great, Kana! thanks!

I thought you'd dig em.


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