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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 9:11:05 AM   
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Just callin it like I see it little one. Your ignorance will once again be excused.

Punkass motherfucker owns the whole state ot tenn. and can murder someone for tagging his garage door: you accusing anyone of ignorance is irony of the first order.

As for your asinine claim. Theres a big damn difference between protecting property and 'murder with impunity' Exaggerate much? This isn't England where someone can break into a house and cut their hand on broken glass and the homeowner gets castigated for creating a hazardous condition.

Your claim is that you would shoot a tagger. Then you give this scenario where all of the power structure of your state cover up your murder of a tagger...that is beyond silly.

Now pick up your bong and go have a nice hit or 3 and things will be alllll better until your next Govt check arrives.

The check always comes in the mail on the first.
The drugs they send ups...They also gave me an aero-med vaporizer so I would not have to use the bong.
I am counting on you to stay employed.


Oh goodie. The lil ankle humpin mutt is calling people names again. Dec is a long month so make financial plans accordingly. 31 days and all.

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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 9:12:09 AM   
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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 9:19:13 AM   
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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 9:20:28 AM   
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Oh goodie. The lil ankle humpin mutt is calling people names again.

Just returning the favor punkass motherfucker

Dec is a long month so make financial plans accordingly. 31 days and all.

You just stay employed and I will deal with the budgeting of my non taxible welfare cheque.

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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 9:28:48 AM   
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Oh goodie. The lil ankle humpin mutt is calling people names again.

Just returning the favor punkass motherfucker

Dec is a long month so make financial plans accordingly. 31 days and all.

You just stay employed and I will deal with the budgeting of my non taxible welfare cheque.




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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 12:13:32 PM   
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just...

c'mon, Hilly.. come play in other threads!!

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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 1:09:39 PM   
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Now this is what I call street art, versus signing and other scrawls (which usually, though not always, have the same effect on me as seeing dog-turds on the pavement).

Nelson Street was, till this year, one of the ugliest and most dismal streets in Bristol. Brutalist grey concrete buildings slapped up in a hurry after the area was bombed to bits in WW2, it was known only for the courthouse, police station and dole office. Right next to some of the oldest and most characterful areas of the town (ones which had escaped the bombing), it seemed like it was designed to be two fingers up to the rest of the city.

But, god, when I walked through it one day in the summer . . . .

OP - do stuff like this - and I'm on your side. In a big way.

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RE: graffiti - 12/9/2011 1:16:31 PM   
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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 7:15:14 AM   
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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 7:43:44 AM   
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Since you are back with this same thread, allow me to tell you what's what.

When you own the canvas, it's art. When someone else owns the canvas, it's vandalism. The way to be a contributor is to get a commission to paint a mural.

And should you, and someone tags your mural, how will you feel?

That is what is what.


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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 12:39:50 PM   
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On the negative, I genuinely resent taggers who turn public places and transportation into a sad mockery of a third world experience. Looking at random scrawls does not expand my experience of the world but instead makes me shake my head and ask, "Is this really the best we can do?"

On the positive, there is real street art. It is a rare find, but it does exist. It becomes art because of the medium and the history of the medium, and it truly does make me think and feel and experience life a little differently - more so than a lot of traditional art.

My beliefs? Tagging shows another fascinating facet of humanity. It begins as a crude expression of our base impulses: marking territory or a pathetically shallow cry for identity. Like a child pointing to an enormous crap in the toilet and proudly proclaiming, "Look what I did, Mommy!" And as often happens with our convoluted species, out of this horror came abstraction and form and color and gravitas. And finally art.

Tagging is a part of our cultural experience now, as ubiquitous as TV and chat boards. Tagging simply "is". Crap and art swirled together. For this but against that, our opinions are strong, unyielding, like politics and religion... So think about it: isn't that controversy by itself enough to stamp "art" on a medium born to give voice to the voiceless?

Just my two cents for a great thread.

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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 7:01:25 PM   
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So think about it: isn't that controversy by itself enough to stamp "art" on a medium born to give voice to the voiceless?


No.




This is street art. When Spaz comes by and tags it, it becomes defaced street art, and everyones experience of it is diminished. The reason no one has been by to deface it is, it is off the beaten track. Those who come here, live here, and are not going to shit here.


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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 7:11:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is street art. It is on the beaten track. On Broadway and Pine in Seattle. If you look close you might note the jewelry, the nails and the tuning pegs have been painted with nail polish.





No one has Tagged the bronze statue, though it is VERY accessible, because EVERYONE LOVES JIMI and the fool to tag Jimi would be a complete one. And it would go hard with him. I will say it again. LOVE protects Jimi from taggers. Just looking you can see that people touch this statue every day. This is what love does.

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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 7:19:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a third example of street art. Take some time to appreciate the quality.




Now notice that some dickweed scrawled on the closest Walrus' nose with a magic marker. Is there any reason any one should like that? Doesn't that make things worse for everyone? Even for the anti-social putz that did that? Note the bird in the lower left. Behind the birds back is the artists signature. IT WAS TAGGED. That is why it isn't in the picture. Does covering the artists signature mean the tagger is now the artist and there fore the contributor of this gift to the city? Or does it mean something else... ...and what might that be?

A city becomes gritty from two sources. From the top you get 'hardening of the architecture'. This is the stuff that makes schools look like jails. It happens when government decides that having a nice looking place costs too much. From the bottom, you get abuse of public spaces. These two forms of social violence generate one another and exist because of one another.

Graffiti is not art. It is the notice given when society gives up.


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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 7:31:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of grafitti-ed railroad cars, one of the makers of decals for model trains has come out with an extensive line of grafitti for modern freight cars - really colorful in a way, but as a model railroader, I don't appreciate the thought. Incidentally another model decal maker offered a sheet of 'hobo markings' for back in the day.

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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 8:08:57 PM   
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When Spaz comes by and tags it, it becomes defaced street art, and everyones experience of it is diminished.



Your reaction is legit and genuine. But I will also point out that by your definition much of the cave art in Lascaux is tagged crap that defaced other cave art. Art historians would completely understand your argument but might not always reach your conclusion. Sure, I get that tagging beautiful things is vandalism whose social value can be debated but whose artistic value is decidedly negative. But what about the decoration of the harsh, dirty surfaces of our cities? Sure, still vandalism, but why can't it also be art?

That said, I very much agree with:

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A city becomes gritty from two sources. From the top you get 'hardening of the architecture'. This is the stuff that makes schools look like jails. It happens when government decides that having a nice looking place costs too much. From the bottom, you get abuse of public spaces. These two forms of social violence generate one another and exist because of one another.


And formed the roots of the art you pictured above...

Just some thoughts to ponder.



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RE: graffiti - 1/6/2012 10:21:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Graffiti as an art form rocks. Graffiti as vandalism needs harsh and fitting punishment.

Haven't known any "taggers" since high school. Those I knew who were truly passionate and/or skilled have gone "pro"; They found a way to make money at it without vandalizing or destroying anything. Besides the money, they also like being able to do one other thing by being legit--Being able to sign their names to their work and get recognition for it, rather than fearing the police come knocking on their door with a huge clean-up bill.

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RE: graffiti - 1/7/2012 5:34:08 AM   
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Sure, I get that tagging beautiful things is vandalism whose social value can be debated but whose artistic value is decidedly negative. But what about the decoration of the harsh, dirty surfaces of our cities? Sure, still vandalism, but why can't it also be art?


Do you mean "decoration of the harsh, dirty surfaces of our cities" in contrast to the three examples of exactly that in the three photos I used, above? Are you using these words in the same sense that I do? Or are you saying you think the scribbling on the painting of the Walrus is as valuable as the Walrus and that it would be less valuable if it were not on the earlier painting? And, second point, what is it about painting someone elses' stuff that is cool with you? Isn't one of the most basic lessons of life, "Don't fuck up other peoples stuff"?

How about I come along and cut a lock of your hair, pronounce it "art" and then wonder why you get pissed off? Won't you honestly think me a nut?


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