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Most every city of any size, has these ordinances.
can, you cite any time it has been enforced against politicians or political parties?

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ORIGINAL: spaz185
who here thinks graffiti is a good thing.....ive been tagging for 10 yrs now........just wondering

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Most every city of any size, has these ordinances.
can, you cite any time it has been enforced against politicians or political parties?

http://www.wbaltv.com/r/24250565/detail.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/politics/29331590/detail.html
http://www.demo-mo.com/2011/10/21/15867/harrisonville-political-group.html
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/06/28/2080230/ferndale-mayoral-candidate-cited.html
http://offthekuff.com/wp/?p=40208
http://gothamist.com/2011/04/19/billionaire_bloomberg_illegally_pos.php

Need another coupla dozen?

Do you ever read the bullshit you post?
http://www.wbaltv.com/r/24250565/detail.html

From this one:


However, according to county regulations, Stouten's sign was too big. Political signs in residential zones can be no more than 8 square feet and 8 feet high.

From this one

http://www.demo-mo.com/2011/10/21/15867/harrisonville-political-group.html
“Harrisonville Did You Know,” a political action committee that campaigned for four candidates in this past April’s municipal election and hosted a Website that was a source of controversy during the election period, was cited by the Missouri Ethics Commission for violations concerning donations and dates of filing the required paperwork.

From this one

http://offthekuff.com/wp/?p=40208

Houston Mayor Annise Parker announced a crackdown on so-called bandit signs Wednesday, pledging to issue fines to political candidates and others who illegally post their signs on city land...Parker said she did not know of a single instance in which a candidate had been fined. City ordinance calls for a fine of $100 to $500 per sign per day to those responsible for illegally posted signs.

From this one.

http://www.theindychannel.com/politics/29331590/detail.html

Some Lawrence residents are accusing city officials of violating their freedom of speech by ordering them to take down yard signs.

A Lawrence city inspector cited a number of residents for litter violations for placing political signs in their yards.

Thse are all about people putting up signs in their own yards or improprieties of politician nothing about posting political ads on private property with out permission.

http://gothamist.com/2011/04/19/billionaire_bloomberg_illegally_pos.php
This one talks about how bloomberg paid a $5200 fine while noting that:

City Comptroller managed to get out of nearly $550,000 in fines, thanks to a loophole.

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ORIGINAL: spaz185

maria i like you...and i dont seek approval just wanted to see what ppl would say....and it is true! every work of art has a story behind it because you dont know what that person had to go through to do that painting and i also agee about toy tags the ones that are slop but also you got to understand without that tag they would have never gotten to a mural you got to start somewhere,,, your comment brought a big smile on my face because you understand where as in these sheep are just making fun of something they dont understand.....i like you you pretty ligit

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

That's a hilarious concept! Remove what's too political? Guess it depends what side you're on.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

That's a hilarious concept! Remove what's too political? Guess it depends what side you're on.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

I'll guess they'll just have to go the route Courbet took. When "avant-garde" first came into being - the Academy wouldn't take his work, so he had his own showing, and poof! Now solo shows are the norm.

All that rigid control does is generate creativity outside the lines.

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You asked for signage laws being enforced by any municipality against any political organization for improperly placed signage.

So far you have produced the names of three people who have had to pay fines. Your cites also reiterate my contention that these laws are seldom enforced.


I guess you accidentally on purpose neglected this one, "—2009 mayoral candidate Bill Thompson was hit with a $619,000+ fine, Public Advocate Bill DeBlasio got a $300,000+ bill" I'll chalk it up to your advanced age and long term recreational drug use.

I supplied what you requested.

I requested you to tell us if you would shoot someone posting a political ad on your property without your permission as you claimed you would if they were a tagger.
I also requested you cite anytime these laws have been enforced against politicians or political parties. For the entire history of the u.s. you have only been able to find three.
Unless you can produce numbers comensurate with the number of ads placed without the property owners consent you have failed.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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You asked for signage laws being enforced by any municipality against any political organization for improperly placed signage.

So far you have produced the names of three people who have had to pay fines. Your cites also reiterate my contention that these laws are seldom enforced.


I guess you accidentally on purpose neglected this one, "—2009 mayoral candidate Bill Thompson was hit with a $619,000+ fine, Public Advocate Bill DeBlasio got a $300,000+ bill" I'll chalk it up to your advanced age and long term recreational drug use.

I supplied what you requested.

I requested you to tell us if you would shoot someone posting a political ad on your property without your permission as you claimed you would if they were a tagger.
I also requested you cite anytime these laws have been enforced against politicians or political parties. For the entire history of the u.s. you have only been able to find three.
Unless you can produce numbers comensurate with the number of ads placed without the property owners consent you have failed.

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

fast reply

I love seeing good graffiti on the trains when I am sitting, waiting for them to pass. 
I just picture the folks who do it as mellow arteests, not angry folks like the OP.

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No, tommy lad, I said I would make a phone call and get an apology and immediate removal over political signage.

But like a punk ass motherfucker you would shoot a tager...I hope you enjoy your stay in prison.

As for only finding 3 where fines were levied, there were somewhere in excess of a million hits when I googled the subject. I declined to post all million.

You posted five cites that were not related to the discussion and one that listed three cases where the offender was fined out of gazillions that wer not. Thus making my point that these laws are not enforced.


The three that I put up as copy n paste were 3 that you had seemingly deliberately overlooked when you cherrypicked the info you put up as they were in the same paragraph. Again, were you being deliberately obtuse or are there other problems afoot?

the only problem afoot is your inability to post cites that validate your position.

The laws are in place. If municipalities choose not to enforce them, then that isn't My concern. Every municipality where I have lived from around 10,000 to well in excess of a million people has done so.

Then you should be able to post proof of such.
The fact that you do not care is not relevant. The fact that the laws are not enforced was my point.

Google is your friend. Use it before posting and you will look less ignorant next time.

You were the one who posted cites from google that were not relevant to the discussion so it would seem that you might want to consider your own ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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No, tommy lad, I said I would make a phone call and get an apology and immediate removal over political signage.

But like a punk ass motherfucker you would shoot a tager...I hope you enjoy your stay in prison.

As for only finding 3 where fines were levied, there were somewhere in excess of a million hits when I googled the subject. I declined to post all million.

You posted five cites that were not related to the discussion and one that listed three cases where the offender was fined out of gazillions that wer not. Thus making my point that these laws are not enforced.


The three that I put up as copy n paste were 3 that you had seemingly deliberately overlooked when you cherrypicked the info you put up as they were in the same paragraph. Again, were you being deliberately obtuse or are there other problems afoot?

the only problem afoot is your inability to post cites that validate your position.

The laws are in place. If municipalities choose not to enforce them, then that isn't My concern. Every municipality where I have lived from around 10,000 to well in excess of a million people has done so.

Then you should be able to post proof of such.
The fact that you do not care is not relevant. The fact that the laws are not enforced was my point.

Google is your friend. Use it before posting and you will look less ignorant next time.

You were the one who posted cites from google that were not relevant to the discussion so it would seem that you might want to consider your own ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: spaz185

THANX ALL FOR YOUR OPINIONS I LIKE THE DEBATE.....FUNNY TO SEE PPLS OPINIONS.....AND I SAY GRAF SHOULD STAY ON THE STREETS AND TRAINS AND FXCK WHOEVER DOESNT LIKE IT ITS ART EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DONT IT WILL NEVER DIE.....


BUT I HATE THOSE DAMN GANGSTERS

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Each article I posted was one of many that had sometihng in it that supported my claim. I can't help if you cherrypicked the parts out that you did.

Anyone who cares to read your cites will find that is not true.

You are either being deliberately obtuse or deliberately misleading. Which is it?

When five out of six of your cites are invalid it seems pretty obvious who is being misleading.

Regarding busting a cap on a tagger. Let me give you a short lesson in small town politics. The county mayor is an old HS friend of mine. The town mayor is my stock broker. The fire chief came by for a cup of coffee yesterday afternoon and to ask if I had any more info for him regarding an arson investigation I had helped him on. I had a beer last night with my state rep who was until recently speaker of the house here in TN. Police regularly drop in for coffee or just to chat. Are you getting the picture?

If I'm defending my property late at night. All I have to say is "It was dark, there was something in his hand as he approached"
Within 24 hours, all anyone will be thinking about would be. "Oh my god. It was a gang member. Was he Crips or Bloods? What kind of drugs was he planning on selling at the Jr High 3 blocks away?"

Right or wrong. That is how small town politics work.

Oh my you really are a legend in your own mind.
You have the whole county in your pocket as well as the legislature...well of course you can commit murder with impunity...
roflmao

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Each article I posted was one of many that had sometihng in it that supported my claim. I can't help if you cherrypicked the parts out that you did.

Anyone who cares to read your cites will find that is not true.

You are either being deliberately obtuse or deliberately misleading. Which is it?

When five out of six of your cites are invalid it seems pretty obvious who is beind misleading.

Regarding busting a cap on a tagger. Let me give you a short lesson in small town politics. The county mayor is an old HS friend of mine. The town mayor is my stock broker. The fire chief came by for a cup of coffee yesterday afternoon and to ask if I had any more info for him regarding an arson investigation I had helped him on. I had a beer last night with my state rep who was until recently speaker of the house here in TN. Police regularly drop in for coffee or just to chat. Are you getting the picture?

If I'm defending my property late at night. All I have to say is "It was dark, there was something in his hand as he approached"
Within 24 hours, all anyone will be thinking about would be. "Oh my god. It was a gang member. Was he Crips or Bloods? What kind of drugs was he planning on selling at the Jr High 3 blocks away?"

Right or wrong. That is how small town politics work.

Oh my you really are a legend in your own mind.
You have the whole county in your pocket as well as the legislature...well of course you can commit murder with impunity...
roflmao

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Just callin it like I see it little one. Your ignorance will once again be excused.

Punkass motherfucker owns the whole state ot tenn. and can murder someone for tagging his garage door: you accusing anyone of ignorance is irony of the first order.

As for your asinine claim. Theres a big damn difference between protecting property and 'murder with impunity' Exaggerate much? This isn't England where someone can break into a house and cut their hand on broken glass and the homeowner gets castigated for creating a hazardous condition.

Your claim is that you would shoot a tagger. Then you give this scenario where all of the power structure of your state cover up your murder of a tagger...that is beyond silly.

Now pick up your bong and go have a nice hit or 3 and things will be alllll better until your next Govt check arrives.

The check always comes in the mail on the first.
The drugs they send ups...They also gave me an aero-med vaporizer so I would not have to use the bong.
I am counting on you to stay employed.