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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/29/2006 11:17:10 PM   
MsMacComb


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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
I have one. How about proclivity.
NOUN:
pl. pro·cliv·i·ties
A natural propensity or inclination; predisposition.


That was actually in my first post on this thread, apparently it did not sit well.
 

( Yea, little slow off the starting line today buddy? ) Repitition is always good.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/29/2006 11:19:36 PM   
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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/29/2006 11:24:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

I'm sure she knew that already.  She's just being her usual charming self.  Perhaps if you see a more complete definition of the word, you'll see why it didn't sit well:

an inclination or predisposition toward something; especially : a strong inherent inclination toward something objectionable

If you truly think it's objectionable, it's not really something you can claim to welcome, can you?

~stef
 

As I always say, if the shoe fits, buy it, lol.
Oh and thanks for acknowledging my charm. Next time could you also mention my grace, class and style? Any of your multiple profiles/personalities is fine. Thanks again and have a nice day.

P.S.  Some people (homophobes/fundies) might find being called a 'homo sapien" objectionable due to the "homo" part. That really doesnt mean we should come up with another whole classification just to suit them does it? I mean some people may object to anything and everything in life and as a result of that spend their days miserably walking the earth bitter and taking it out on others. But then thankfully we have never run into that sort around here.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/29/2006 11:25:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

Yes,  I am having some very stressful difficulties today and using the forums to keep my mind off them.
 

Hey, need a shoulder or a lap to cry on just let me know.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/29/2006 11:26:54 PM   
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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 2:55:04 AM   
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sex yes please
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I have a Brother who is FTM and while at times in the beginning I had to twist my thoughts to agree with that over time I grew used to it and he is my brother. Yes I was very sheltered before that...lol. I think there are more out there than you know I know here in Florida the FTM are some of the biggest movers and shakers in the community. *smiles* Keep your eyes peeled and know that it is there just maybe not under your nose.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 2:56:56 AM   
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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 3:21:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		  I caught this forum late, but still feel its necessary to make a comment on it.  The sexual determination or what a person checks off is basically up to them.  Many MtF put female, and I wouldn't doubt that if you looked through enough male photo's you would find a few FtM in the men section.
Many MtF won't put trans in the sex listing for fear of tranny chasers, and believe me they can be a problem, but on-line you can just ignore them.
I put female as my listing once, got of mail too.  Only thing is I had to first remind anyone writting to me that I was a pre-op TS MtF like it said in my profile....and I got tired of doing that.  I don't care what you want to call yourself, but in all honesty you should explain it in your profile somewhere.  I don't want my time wasted on here, and neither does anyone else I'm sure.  Thats why I communicate long enough to find out the truth and make sure, someone serious will stay in contact...fakes float away in the breeze.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 4:16:53 AM   
Divinesub


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Status: offline 		Why not just list transsexual as your gender and in your profile indicate the subsection (for lack of a better word).  I think that people might appreciate the honesty.  As someone that was recently with a bi person that listed his self as straight, I know that I would have appreciated the upfront honesty.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 4:42:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: outofhabit

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ORIGINAL: mellian

I respect that, but my gender is female, not trans, hence shouldn't be forced or accused as some deceiver just because I do not select it. Also, I don't want some tranny chaser easilly finding me simply by searching all those who are trans either.

-mellian



I've noticed a lot of people use "female" as a gender, which is sort of inaccurate. Technically it's a sex, not a gender. Now, I'm generally not into semantic scribbles, but this is why it bothers me. I feel like not maintain the gender/sex divide makes it difficult for me to talk about my body. I can't say that I'm female or otherwise people think that it is a declaration of gender. Even saying that I'm "female-bodied" which is something that I see more often suggests that my body is somehow gendered as feminine.

So while I think that there is nothing wrong with you choosing not to disclose or identify as trans, I still dislike that "female" is being used as a gender on these sites.


Sex is what is visible, it is a body thing, its physical, its what is put on your drivers license and birth certificate

Gender is how you feel, it is a brain thing, it is what you feel in your heart, your mind, and your soul

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 6:31:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

Stef, often you are a wealth of information. However your truculent nature belies your credibility.

My "credibility" has nothing to do with the question I asked you.  I'm sorry if you feel vexed by my questioning your particular choice of language in this post, but why are you trying to shift attention away from that?  You either chose that word knowing full well the pejorative connotation and your welcome was less than sincere, or you simply misspoke.  I'm just trying to find out which twin has the Toni.

quote:

Now before you switch hats and tear up this post, consider a new profile and tip the scales in favor of ruminatively helpful as opposed to rashly belligerent.

Thanks for the advice, but there's nothing wrong with the profile I have now.  As for hats, the only other 'hat' I've worn here was set aside sometime last year when I ran out of available time to offer for reviewing profiles, but feel free to believe whatever tingles your nether regions.

~stef

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 12:47:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: keme

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Thank you keme.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 12:58:56 PM   
Wulfchyld


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Status: offline 		Stef, as much as it may disappoint you I sincerely doubt anyone on these forums is going to help you make a mountain out of your mole hill. You can pick apart a word all you like but I stand with “proclivity” as a choice for any T/S T/G CD to pursue their "preferred" gender.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 1:16:58 PM   
stef


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Status: offline 		How is asking you to clarify your intention making a mountain out of a mole hill?  It's a simple question, and it should be trivial for you to answer unless you're only trying to antagonize, which your last post leads me to believe.  What's with the animosity?

~stef 

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 1:27:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stef, don't be coy. Your reputation has preceded you here. My first post was clear in my acceptance of gender and that my book and practice welcomes all genders, preferences and choices. I really don't have to explain your persistence on my posts, as I said your reputation as an antagonist well proceeds you.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 1:41:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have insulted me in post after post when I have *never* said an ill word to you.  What's your problem?

Your first post was not clear since the definition of the word you chose is in direct opposition to any acceptance you might profess.  I'm just asking you to clear up the ambiguity.  Why are you trying to make this into something it isn't?

~stef

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 1:50:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
Stef, don't be coy. Your reputation has preceded you here
Why do I get the feeling you're not talking about the same reputation I've noticed?   You don't like the way she argues, so you'd rather she act more antagonistic?
Having been here a long time now, I've never seen Stef kick anyone's ass who didn't first deserve it...  I have never seen her offend anyone who wasn't him/herself offensive/condescending first.   Sometimes folks try too hard, and she's superb at cutting those folks down to size.  She has in my opinion, a great sense of justice and fairplay on these boards, and an uncanny ability to see and call bullshit I will always admire, even if her style and mine are a little different.

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My first post was clear in my acceptance of gender and that my book and practice welcomes all genders, preferences and choices. I really don't have to explain your persistence on my posts, as I said your reputation as an antagonist well proceeds you.
I don't question your acceptance of Transgendered folks... I will say that expressing their "procilivities" tends to sound like a dirty word to describe people who've felt like they were born in the wrong bodies and have undergone the difficulties emotionallly and physically to try and correct that problem, but again, that is just my opinion.    M

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 2:17:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

You have insulted me in post after post when I have *never* said an ill word to you.  What's your problem?

Your first post was not clear since the definition of the word you chose is in direct opposition to any acceptance you might profess.  I'm just asking you to clear up the ambiguity.  Why are you trying to make this into something it isn't?

~stef


Stef, you could have easily asked for clarification off the boards. You elected to pick my word of choice apart and find the most negative connotation you could. My use of proclivity was the best I had with no other sufficient nomenclature, and I still stand with the use of that word. My first post offered nothing left-handed. If it had I am sure many of the T/s T/G CD members would have question the post vehemently.
 
BlkTallFullfig as you know I do not act rashly. I have read stef's posts since I have came here and then took the liberty of reading all her posts again last night. In my earlier post I said she was a wealth of knowledge and I respect that. However her brutal posts are more frequent than her helpful posts and I for one (I am sure others may feel the same) cringe when I see her post. As opposed to offering constructive criticism she would rather beat a poster with her "clue-by-four". I don't know about you, but for a newbie trying to learn or get understanding that would be very disheartening.

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 2:55:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
BlkTallFullfig as you know I do not act rashly. I have read stef's posts since I have came here and then took the liberty of reading all her posts again last night. In my earlier post I said she was a wealth of knowledge and I respect that
I look for her posts because I find them either informative or funny...  It's true that she can be harsh, but as I said, I've never seen her behave unkindly to someone who wasn't asking for it by being unkind him/herself.  I was and am a newbie in many respects, but what I respect is consistent delivery of sensible/factual information, and a balanced sense of justice to filter through all the human agenda when reading someone on these boards, and she is usually right on with that.  

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However her brutal posts are more frequent than her helpful posts and I for one (I am sure others may feel the same) cringe when I see her post. As opposed to offering constructive criticism she would rather beat a poster with her "clue-by-four"
I tend to stay away from people I feel are jerks, but I've never cringed when reading Stef...  In fact, I began paying attention to her posts because she has an impressive mind/wit. 
Is it possible you formed an opinion based on behind the scenes gossip?  Is it possible you're not reading her as objectively as one who is new to these boards, and entering with an open unbiased mind?   I tend to respect and be civil to everyone until he/she does something that is unnecessarily offensive to folks.  I don't believe it's in the best interest of the newbie for everyone to coddle and treat them as inept human beings lacking common sense...  I especially don't tend to feel much sympathy for newbies who begin posting on new forums and behave as authorities on everything under the sun.   I like Stef's ability to instill humility when it is needed.   M

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RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles - 5/30/2006 3:20:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

Stef, you could have easily asked for clarification off the boards.

You posted it in the forum so I asked about it in the forum.  That's generally how things work around here.  If you wanted to have the discussion move to email instead of continuing here, you should have asked.

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You elected to pick my word of choice apart and find the most negative connotation you could.

It's the sole definition of the word so there was nothing to pick apart.  You appear to have a rather substantial vocabulary when it suits you so I had a bit of difficulty believing that you couldn't have chosen a non-derogatory word had you wanted to do so.  You didn't appear in any of your previous posts to harbor any feelings of the sort that word generates so I was confused by your choice.  That was the reason I brought the matter up in the first place. 

You still haven't explained why you felt it was appropriate to levy numerous insults at me in your replies when none were ever directed at you.  I don't know if your behavior in this thread has anything to do with the "stressful difficulties" you mentioned earlier, but I've given you absolutely no reason whatsoever to act in the manner you have towards me.

~stef

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