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Almost, not quite. The issue with that is, that as a normal private citizen selling a gun you may sell what, 1 or 2 guns a year if you are heavy. Now that guy sells those two guns to two different guys and so on, but not a 50 time turnover in 1 year. The gunshow guy can sell any number of guns to one guy, and he goes to the next guy at table and buys another unknown number of guns.......First of all I'm not sure what you mean by heavy. Then I need to tell ya that most if not all the guys at a gun shows who have 1 or more tables are dealers. A dealer must go through the paperwork and all the rest of it when he sells a gun. The rare occasion where a private seller has a table he is likely to have mostly antique junk. Private sellers will come in with 1 or 2 guns (the usual) or 3 or more guns (less than usual) and carry them around to sell or trade inside the show. They have to pay the entry fee and have their guns checked out at the door to show they are not loaded. Now if some private *buyer* wants to by bunches of guns to sell to a criminal for nefarious purposes, he must go to a dealer and do the paper work and the special extra paperwork if he is buying more than one handgun. He then will sell the goods to whoever. This is what is called a strawman purchase and is doable at any dealer across the country plus it's highly illegal which is incidentally the exact same thing the ATF allowed to happen, on purpose, right in front of their noses at dealer locations down in Texas (Fast and Furious).
fundamentally what they did in these two operations OWR and FaF without bothering to go to many many gunshows and many different dealers, and not verifying the suitability of these folks to own guns under our laws. That is incorrect, the only thing a guy with a disability to own a gun can do at a gun show is hope to find some guy walkin around with a gun he wants that he can buy, otherwise he needs to have a strawman do it for him if the gun or guns are going to come from a dealer.
While I feel that the bulk of guys that go to gunshows are fine upstanding young cocks of citizenry, for what purpose would someone go to a gunshow repeatedly to buy large amounts of guns? They usually don't unless they are strawmen.
Well, tracking it down, they are fronts for criminals, fronts for paramilitary groups and so on. Giberish
If there is any paperwork whatsoever on any guns, and they are involved in a crime, the last person they can track that gun to successfully is going to see some hard time, you aint got proof of where that gun went and you will be at the squaredance in the common area as a guest of Jessie and his big white friend Beh'na'd, and will be the one with the ribbons in your hair. Yes, sure, and this is gun registration and supposedly it would come in handy but no biggie there because criminals would exclusively get their guns on the black market. Not only that but with such an expansion of the black market I would expect more of the *genuine military hardware* (not that you can't get that stuff now) such as full auto, grenades and such.
one gun private to private, not much of a problem, the risk is minimal... and many guns stolen from private residences.......What are you suggesting here ? Whats your point ? Nobody should own many guns ?
But most would support a roadblock for drunken drivers, in which the patriotic american citizenry is also inconvenienced to capture the few criminals. Not at all a good comparison to gun registration and the abuses that would go along with it.
So, not a 'liberal' 'talking' point devoid of truth or foundation, it is real. Not really, once you are familiar with the facts (which you obviously haven't a clue) then it's mostly all in your head. The only thing that is real is the fact that the gun show loophole is a loophole in general and that only gun registration could begin to deal with it, and there are ways around even that for criminals to take anyhow so its just another hassle for law abiding citizens that effect the bad guys very little. This "gun show loophole" BS is just a backdoor way for the libs to get to their holy grail of gun control, *gun registration*.
How do you suggest we prevent or monitor those occurrances? Jeeeze......Where do I start ? For one thing, right off the top of my head, we could try enforcing any useful federal laws already on the books. Every freakin time some asswipe with a disability tries to buy a gun from a dealer (this happens thousands of time a year) they should be arrested and prosecuted. Currently as of the last 20 years or so since the mandatory instant checks went into effect the dealer typically just says "sorry but ya can't buy the gun today", "see ya later asswipe" and the asswipe walks off when the dealer could-a-called the cops so the asswipe could be checked out and maybe arrested and charged. Hell, they know who he is cause they checked his ID, he could be checked out by the cops after he's walked off. Keep in mind though that many times when a purchase is denied it's a mistake of some sort (wrongfully denied). And that is just for a start.
Edited to correct one thing. If a guy buys multiple handguns it must be reported by the dealer, therefore the dealer is the one with additional paperwork.
< Message edited by lovmuffin -- 12/20/2011 8:07:25 PM >
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