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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:10:48 PM   
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what about the report is anti gun?...it was performed by NYC Gov, not thinkprogress or amanda.
What in the original "article" is wrong?



  I'm not sure yet. What I said is I don't trust it. And yes I know it was performed by the *LIBERAL* NYC Gov.

One thing that was wrong I didn't mention is the use of the term / buzzword  "Semi Automatic Assault Weapon".  Technically and definitively there is no such thing.


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:15:31 PM   
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I am not very liberal,  Yeah ok.... LMAO.....and Lucylastic is President Of The United States. Bears shit on the sidewalk. The pope is Jewish.

but you lead a very sheltered life then.  Theres a fuckload of em.  If you say so.


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:17:59 PM   
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An intelligent post on the subject for once, way to go.


Why would you bother to read a post by someone you always accuse of never making an intelligent post?

Honestly, why not just place me on hide. The put down is bullshit and uncalled for. Simply because you dont agree with a post doesnt make it unintelligent Or didnt they teach you that in school?

As to the on line report, think progress merely reported the findings..

The internet revolution created extraordinary opportunities
for commerce to be conducted at the click of a mouse.
Instant access to almost unlimited choices and to vast
communities of buyers and sellers is a principal asset of
e-commerce. This feature, however, can also pose unique
challenges for law enforcement.

Over the last 15 years, a significant share of the firearms
trade in the United States has moved online. The
precise volume of online sales is largely unknown – and,
under current law, unknowable, because many of these
transactions create no record that would allow them to be
counted.

Even so, it is obvious that the online market for firearms
is vast. Nearly 12 years ago, the Department of Justice
estimated that 80 online firearm auction sites and
approximately 4,000 other sites featured guns for sale.
1
This year, on 10 websites alone, investigators for the City
of New York found more than 25,000 guns for sale.
The online trade in firearms is, in most respects, identical
to the online trade in any other legal product: the vast
majority of sales are an efficient, convenient extension of
the bricks-and-mortar marketplace.

In other respects, guns are different. In the wrong hands,
they are uniquely lethal threats to public safety. For that
reason, federal law bars certain categories of particularly
dangerous people from purchasing firearms – online or
anywhere else.
2

But legal loopholes that have long undermined
enforcement of this prohibition in traditional markets
are proving even more serious in the digital space. In
the words of an ATF spokesman, “If people are inclined
to break the law, the internet provides them with more
sources.”
3
It can also provide them with the relative
anonymity in which criminal activity can thrive.
Every day, firearms transactions are conducted on
thousands of websites among largely anonymous actors.
Criminal buyers who once had to purchase in person
can now prowl hundreds of thousands of listings to find
unscrupulous sellers. Negotiations can be conducted
from the discreet remove of a phone call or an email
exchange.

Federally licensed firearms dealers are required to
conduct background checks on all buyers to prevent
sales to felons, the mentally ill, domestic abusers and
other prohibited purchasers.
4
These screenings are
required whether the sale is made on Main Street or over
the internet.
But unlicensed “private sellers” – those who are not “in
the business” of selling firearms – do not have to conduct
background checks.
5
These sales – which take place in
many venues, including gun shows and, increasingly, on
the internet – account for about 40 percent of U.S. sales,
and fuel the black market for illegal guns.
6
And they leave
no electronic or paper trail behind them.


http://www.nyc.gov/html/cjc/downloads/pdf/nyc_pointclickfire.pdf

The City of NY... not Think Progress... not Amanda Peterson Beadle.

Maybe if you actually did some brackground work, you would find those posts you believe are not "intelligent" by your standards may actually hold quite a bit of weight and value.

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:21:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what about the report is anti gun?...it was performed by NYC Gov, not thinkprogress or amanda.
What in the original "article" is wrong?



  I'm not sure yet. What I said is I don't trust it. And yes I know it was performed by the *LIBERAL* NYC Gov.

One thing that was wrong I didn't mention is the use of the term / buzzword  "Semi Automatic Assault Weapon".  Technically and definitively there is no such thing.



Recently terminology variants such as "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon"[6] or "High-Powered Assault Weapon" have been gaining in use by political leaders and groups who seek to limit or ban these firearms.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

A bill with the term used.

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:42:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

An intelligent post on the subject for once, way to go.


Why would you bother to read a post by someone you always accuse of never making an intelligent post?

Honestly, why not just place me on hide. The put down is bullshit and uncalled for. Simply because you dont agree with a post doesnt make it unintelligent Or didnt they teach you that in school?




I meant an intelligent post on the subject of gun control from a less than pro gun perspective.  I meant nothing towards the author.     Szheeeeeesh it was a compliment, a decent post and I learned something I didn't know.


< Message edited by lovmuffin -- 12/21/2011 1:44:56 PM >


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:43:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what about the report is anti gun?...it was performed by NYC Gov, not thinkprogress or amanda.
What in the original "article" is wrong?



  I'm not sure yet. What I said is I don't trust it. And yes I know it was performed by the *LIBERAL* NYC Gov.

One thing that was wrong I didn't mention is the use of the term / buzzword  "Semi Automatic Assault Weapon".  Technically and definitively there is no such thing.


theres a lot of things you dont trust, even whenyour "belief" is shown to be false. I honestly would not trust you to tell me the time of day with any accuracy.
Your trust has been shown to be misplaced more than a couple of times, you might wanna be open to overcoming that.
just a thought

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:43:42 PM   
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I am actually very pro gun. My dad has a collection and we were all taught how to shoot and hunt, though I prefer bow myself

ETA

I am pro gun... guns by themselves never killed a single person. What I am not is pro belief that everyone has the right to carry a gun.

< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 12/21/2011 1:45:32 PM >


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:46:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what about the report is anti gun?...it was performed by NYC Gov, not thinkprogress or amanda.
What in the original "article" is wrong?



I'm not sure yet. What I said is I don't trust it. And yes I know it was performed by the *LIBERAL* NYC Gov.

One thing that was wrong I didn't mention is the use of the term / buzzword  "Semi Automatic Assault Weapon".  Technically and definitively there is no such thing.



Recently terminology variants such as "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon"[6] or "High-Powered Assault Weapon" have been gaining in use by political leaders and groups who seek to limit or ban these firearms.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

A bill with the term used.


Exactly.


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:54:21 PM   
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So then you agree that while the term may not be technically correct, the definitive usage is still undergoing change.

quote:

Recently terminology variants such as "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon" and "Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle"[3] have been gaining in use by political leaders and groups who seek to limit or ban these firearms. These terms are being used to add some clarity to the term assault weapon which indicates a fully automatic firearm when applied to small arms in the military.


http://gunownersresource.com/gorole/index.php?title=Assault_weapon

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 1:56:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what about the report is anti gun?...it was performed by NYC Gov, not thinkprogress or amanda.
What in the original "article" is wrong?



I'm not sure yet. What I said is I don't trust it. And yes I know it was performed by the *LIBERAL* NYC Gov.

One thing that was wrong I didn't mention is the use of the term / buzzword  "Semi Automatic Assault Weapon".  Technically and definitively there is no such thing.


theres a lot of things you dont trust, even whenyour "belief" is shown to be false. I honestly would not trust you to tell me the time of day with any accuracy.
Your trust has been shown to be misplaced more than a couple of times, you might wanna be open to overcoming that.
just a thought


In this instance I may have overstated the evidence for my case based on past experience. Things may have changed a bit since I last attended a gun show but my points remain the same.  1) The so called gun show loophole is in reality a private sale loophole that can apply anywhere. 2) We need to enforce laws already on the books. And 3) the holy grail of gun control is gun registration. Any legislation designed to close the so called loophole just furthers the cause for gun registration.


Edited to add:  You would have to show me where my trust has been misplaced more than a couple of times. Just sayin it doesn't make it so.


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 2:01:06 PM   
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So then you agree that while the term may not be technically correct, the definitive usage is still undergoing change.

quote:

Recently terminology variants such as "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon" and "Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle"[3] have been gaining in use by political leaders and groups who seek to limit or ban these firearms. These terms are being used to add some clarity to the term assault weapon which indicates a fully automatic firearm when applied to small arms in the military.


http://gunownersresource.com/gorole/index.php?title=Assault_weapon



Yes I know and agree the term is used loosely by anti gun politicians. No I don't agree with the improper use of it designed to inflame the uninformed public.


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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 2:19:12 PM   
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"Assault weapon" is a term that was originally applied by gun makers and sellers to semiautomatic firearms that looked like assault rifles.

They only have themselves to blame

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 2:35:05 PM   
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"Assault weapon" is a term that was originally applied by gun makers and sellers to semiautomatic firearms that looked like assault rifles.

They only have themselves to blame


Yes thats correct, they wanted to advertise their guns to seem really really bad. They're not using the term anymore since it has been so exploited by the anti gunners. They sort of shot themselves in the foot.....or shot us all in the foot.

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 2:46:43 PM   
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In this instance I may have overstated the evidence for my case based on past experience. Things may have changed a bit since I last attended a gun show but my points remain the same. 

1) The so called gun show loophole is in reality a private sale loophole that can apply anywhere.

2) We need to enforce laws already on the books.

And 3) the holy grail of gun control is gun registration. Any legislation designed to close the so called loophole just furthers the cause for gun registration.



1.  Patently false. Not all it is at all. It was designed to accomodate private sales not major sale lots or 'commercial' sales. fucked up law, major flaw.

2.  Good luck, ATF is getting cut and here in Minnesota where I guarentee we have as many or more guns than anyone else there is 1/3rd an agent for the outstate and one for metro.

3. Don't know whos holy grail that is, it is unworkable now, I have to keep paperwork for 20 years (and since you were an FFL but are not now, you  had to ship yours to an ATF office, you weren't the only one, and you remember how they are filed?).  Multiply that by 100s of thousands of buyers and sellers who fill 4473s out, for millions of transactions a year, and tell me where any of the guns are now.

Nobody could register every gun ever, in this country, nor could they track down every gun and take it away.

You would have to hire every unemployed person in america and europe and work them 24/7/365  for a solid 20 years to find out the current disposition of say 10-20% of the guns in america today, and tomorrow that would be way out of round.

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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 3:02:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

In this instance I may have overstated the evidence for my case based on past experience. Things may have changed a bit since I last attended a gun show but my points remain the same. 

1) The so called gun show loophole is in reality a private sale loophole that can apply anywhere.

2) We need to enforce laws already on the books.

And 3) the holy grail of gun control is gun registration. Any legislation designed to close the so called loophole just furthers the cause for gun registration.



1.  Patently false. Not all it is at all. It was designed to accomodate private sales not major sale lots or 'commercial' sales. fucked up law, major flaw. It looks to me there are some major sales via the internet. Not only that but this particular commerce goes on 24/7 not just on weekends.

2.  Good luck, ATF is getting cut and here in Minnesota where I guarentee we have as many or more guns than anyone else there is 1/3rd an agent for the outstate and one for metro. So, my point still remains the same. Regardless of the excuses we need to enforce the law. Even with further regulations ya still need to enforce the law.

3. Don't know whos holy grail that is, it is unworkable now, I have to keep paperwork for 20 years (and since you were an FFL but are not now, you  had to ship yours to an ATF office, you weren't the only one, and you remember how they are filed?).  Multiply that by 100s of thousands of buyers and sellers who fill 4473s out, for millions of transactions a year, and tell me where any of the guns are now. It's California's holy grail regarding certain weapons and NYC's too. 

Nobody could register every gun ever, in this country, nor could they track down every gun and take it away. That does my heart good to read that. So why all the worry about loopholes. Assuming you could close them do you honestly believe criminals could then not obtain weapons for nefarious purposes. One thing is for certain, if ya got a felon in jail for a violent crime, keep em there for as long as possible so he can't get a gun.

You would have to hire every unemployed person in america and europe and work them 24/7/365 to find out the current disposition of say 10-20% of the guns in america today, and tomorrow that would be way out of round.  That does my heart good too.





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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 3:09:18 PM   
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That does my heart good to read that. So why all the worry about loopholes. Assuming you could close them do you honestly believe criminals could then not obtain weapons for nefarious purposes.

Let's just throw in the towel and say fuckit.  People get away with murder, lets quit fucking around chasing em.

We will have to disagree after that one. I am obviously more conservative than you when it comes to law and order.   So you might not want to laugh your fucking as off too hard.

I would like to say, 'Well goddammit, we tried, at least we did that".

Regardless of the excuses we need to enforce the law. Even with further regulations ya still need to enforce the law.

Hey, Goehring is doin his best 1/3 in my area, I don't know how the rest of the country is faring...



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RE: Desperate Holder plays the race card... - 12/21/2011 5:30:03 PM   
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That does my heart good to read that. So why all the worry about loopholes. Assuming you could close them do you honestly believe criminals could then not obtain weapons for nefarious purposes.

Let's just throw in the towel and say fuckit.  People get away with murder, lets quit fucking around chasing em.

We will have to disagree after that one. I am obviously more conservative than you when it comes to law and order.   So you might not want to laugh your fucking as off too hard.

I would like to say, 'Well goddammit, we tried, at least we did that".

Regardless of the excuses we need to enforce the law. Even with further regulations ya still need to enforce the law.

Hey, Goehring is doin his best 1/3 in my area, I don't know how the rest of the country is faring...




I agree, lets quit fuckin around chasin em, just keep em in jail where they can't get guns. Did I mention "ridiculously easy sentences for violent criminal behavior" ?  Lets fix that.

Edited to add: Did I mention Florida gun laws such as 10-20-life and Chuck Norris ?


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